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It seems that your understanding may not fully align with the explanation I've provided regarding the Biblical expression of plurality in relation to God and His manifestations. Revisit this explanation would help clarify how God is expressed and works through different agencies.
.... as in giving up understanding 1 John 5:7???
Keep scratching Dan!...if the scratch is sincere and the searching diligent you will find Him.
Keep scratching!
@Dan Clarkston asked you an important question--So then you admit that you reject Jesus... and the Holy Ghost too???
He is many things J...but this has been on my mind of late....
Genesis 18:1, 2 accurately reads: "Afterward, Jehovah appeared to him among the big trees of Mamʹre while he was sitting at the entrance of the tent during the hottest part of the day. He looked up and saw three men standing some distance from him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground."(2013 New World Translation)
Sorry Guestman
Amen, you be blessed brother.
Didn't go into the post except answering your astonishment and query in your opener. If you read my words again, I never said he had to be human to exist prior to being human, and then an immortal human later. Many believe he did exist before re-existing as a human being as God the divine son etc...not me. You read that into it.. and then he would have existed 3 times...not just twice....follow carefully..Huh? No-one i have read of, heard, or spoken to has ever suggested that Jesus was born as a human in heaven prior to Bethlehem? Where do you get this stuff from? Your straw men are not very well built, they are like chaff in the wind.
The Father sent His Son into the world to become a human. That was an eternal sacrifice and massive demonstration of the love of both Father and Son to agree to such a step. See Philippians 2.
As to your continuing denial of such a possibility of a pre- incarnation Son of God, as if there is no evidence in scripture for such a concept , please note the following...
“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich. ”
2 Corinthians 8:9 KJV
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When was Jesus ever rich as a human?
“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. ”
Zechariah 9:9 KJV
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“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. ”
John 18:36 KJV
So Jesus was a king, even before the resurrection!! When did that happen??
“6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
If I'm reading the above correctly, and I believe i have excellent reading skills, the Son of God chose to partake of human flesh. He did this in order to be able to die.
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
again, the Son chose to come as a human... He could have chosen to take on the likeness of an angel, but no, He humbled Himself and clothed His divine nature in human flesh. This is an eternal human state... a i said, a major sacrifice we cannot committeeman until we see Him and witness the glory He risked.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren,
same again... chose to become like unto His brethren.
that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. ”
Hebrews 2:6-7, 14-18 KJV
“8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. ”
Romans 5:8-11 KJV
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“3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ”
Romans 8:3-4 KJV
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“5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
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“1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. ”
1 John 4:1-3 KJV
