Exploring Trinitarian Logic
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Wrangler
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I don't get it. This you offer an explicit text saying Jesus is an eternal being? I guess you have a "anything will do" standard.
Wrangler
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Jesus is 100% what Scripture says he is, over and over and over again; a man. Begotten is proof text Jesus is NOT God for it means created and God is not created but the Creator.
Oh man you want to really take your time enjoying your cheap fast-food main course dinner with me.....oh well
Look let me get to the chase...1 John 5:7 is a blatant forgery. Do the research and educate yourself....stop showing your ignorance here...
CadyandZoe
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The passage you reference does not discuss the Holy Trinity as you defined it. Jesus' instructions concerning baptism focus on the sources of teaching: God the Father, The son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. He wants his apostles to know and understand that when they baptize, they are not making disciples for themselves, they make disciples for God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit because all three of them speak the same exact message. Jesus said that he speaks only what the Father tells him to speak and that the Holy Spirit only speaks what Jesus speaks.
As Paul the Apostle says, God spoke to his generation through Jesus, the man.
Hebrews 1:1-2 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Here, Paul is talking about the man Jesus, who is not a supposed second person of a God-being. He is a human being who is the exact representation of God.
The point is this. The Bible never explicitly defines God as a single being of three distinct persons. That concept is a theory, which attempts to interpret the New Testament in light of Plato's philosophy.
David in NJ
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LOVE LOVE LOVE that you SEE this @Lizbeth
JESUS is the WORD that was Elohim in the Beginning = Genesis/WORD thru to Revelation/WORD
"IAM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End"
Wrangler
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More to the point, the trinity contradicts Scripture's definition of God being a single person. Try to construct a stronger antitrinitarian formula in as few a words as there is one God, the Father.
To listen to trinitarians, all we have is these vague verses that require us to read into it. The truth is the opposite. God's name is YHWH, not Jesus.
Amen and amen! Awesome, praise the Lord!
amigo de christo
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unbelief is not faith . belief in the doctrines of men rather than belief in the Word and words of GOD
is deadly .
As i am sure you do agree .
Many need to go and examine exactly WHY the israelites were not allowed to ENTER IN ........
UNBELIEF .
And we all might want to remember something . They could lip and claim GOD
but when it came to trusting in HIS word , HIS promise , they failed . And due to fear
of man , of the inhabitants of the land , and THUS NOT BELEIVING GOD , HIS PROMISE they would inherit it
IT was counted to them as unbelief and they wandered the desert
till that generation Died in the wilderness . BELIEF if GOD , IN CHRIST , entails
BELIEVING HIS WORDS . If a man cannot trust what is written , That man does not trust IN GOD
who inspired the very truth recorded in that bible .
Many can lip the name , but many trust in what men say and teach about HIM , rather than THE TRUTH ITSELF that is written .
And that is deadly .
amigo de christo
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Many trust in men my friend . And in this last hour
all will merge as one under another image of what they beleive is God , is love .
Many have a problem with what is written . This is not a good sign .
Many who are of us within christendom are not truly His .
Its becoming very evident as many are now headed right into another gospel , WHICH is no gospel .
They cannot even BELIEVE the WORDS of JESUS and how he warned what would occur
unto those who beleived not . and many other such things have they done with HIS words .
This is a very bad sign and it proves what is written
Not all of israel IS of ISRAEL , not all of christendom is of Christ .
The only thing we can do is continue to warn and to do all to get this people
back into the scriptures for themselves . With the motto , LET GOD be TRUE but every man a liar .
This generation whose trust be in men is cursed . But HE whose hope be in GOD is blessed .
IT really is bible time .
Magdala
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This isn't about me, but rather about you and the words that you chose to say. You said that Scripture shows "a plurality, united as one" regarding God. That concept of "plurality within unity" means "multiple, distinct, elements, or parts that coexist within a single, unified whole, essentially signifying diversity existing harmoniously within a single entity; it highlights the concept of many different aspects coming together to form one cohesive unit." An example of "plurality within unity", from a philosophical perspective, is the substance of water, because it exists in multiple states, each distinct, united as one because they are the same substance: water. Was the concept of "plurality, united as one" what you intended to apply to God, or did you misspeak?
amigo de christo
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God spoke through the Holy prophets .
And by HIS Spirit they did testify .
And now a word
The SPIRIT of CHRIST which was in them did testify of His sufferings and etc .
GOD really IS HIS SPIRIT and HIS WORD and HIS WORD and SPIRIT be HE .
Raise those hands and praise the glorious LORD .
Two questions for you, and they are post-graduate level questions IMO. And it's Ok if the answers are difficult to reach, let alone the questions themselves easy to understand:
1, How can Jesus be God if he was/had to be filled with God's Spirit?
2. Are you sure that the spirit of Christ was present with the prophets or were they temporarily adjoined to the Spirit of God only, and it was absent of the spirit of Christ at that time, until it was created and given to Jesus by the time of his birth?
It's enough, reported your ugly post.
David in NJ
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Right there is the DANGER and they open themselves for great deception which leads to death.
Wrangler
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amigo de christo
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Even if i answer this you will not hear it .
FOR IF YOU HEAR not the TRUTH in scripture that GOD INSPIRED
but rather heed men who twisted it , you aint gonna hear the TRUTH i say .
THE KEY to knowing whether or not what we hear is of men , is of our own minds , is of another spirit
OR REALLY IS OF GOD is this , DID WE HAVE TO TWIST and omit things in the scriptures .
The KEY is if what we know , what we think we know contradicts that which is written THEN ITS A LIE .
And beleive you me , we have more scholars out their who use greek
who use hermunetics , who use exgegis , who use a lot of stuff
and THEY disagree with one the other . BUT THOSE WHO SIT UNDER THEM HOLD TO THEM .
in other words , men have always desired the one thing that ALONE was to be given to GOD and not man .
THE GLORY , THE PRE EMEININCE , the desire for power and control , the desire to be seen of men
In other words , A TON of what has infiltrated and created many sects within christendom , CAME OF MEN BUD .
NOT GOD
And as always men of every age whose desire was to please themselves
Will and do create a way that will always please their flesh .
IF what we do and say , if what we teach , be contrary to what is written , FRIEND I got real bad news , IT AINT COMINGFROM GOD
its coming from ya mind , from men ,
No man here knows and understands all . SO THE KEY IS
OPEN BIBLE again , BELEIVE AS DO A CHILD that what you are reading IS TRUTH
BELEIVE as do a child that you dONT HAVE TO RUN TO MEN , TO GREEK , to learn it
BELIEVE AS DO A CHILD that ITS TRUTH . The understanding will come in time . at least enough understanding
to continue to grow our faith .
YOU sat under men or etc WHO TWISTED THE WORD . HOW DO I KNOW THIS
cause your version of JESUS dont add up
to IN THE BEGINNING was the WORD and GOD IS THE WORD .
rather it adds up too , In the beginning was a word and this word ............
IN other words , YOU are contradicting what is written .
SAME WORD , SAME JESUS , said I AM ALPHA and OMEGA ,
rather odd you seem to omit even that .
Its very true i did not understand things i read at first . BUT I BELIEVED THEM . YOU SEEM NOT TO HAVE EVER
BELEIVED IT AT ALL and that is why you were led as you were led .
NOW that is also a key sign . cause i aint no better than you my friend .
SO what is this sign i speak about . TRUTH .
TRUTH . what is truth , EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH
We got an ocean of those words in that bible . the question is do we believe what is written
OR are we beliving what men SAY about what is written as they twist and twist and twist .
David in NJ
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Your questions are VALID and EXCELLENT in evaluating Truth.
i am very busy but will answer those questions, from scripture, later.
amigo de christo
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Prepare to be shocked my friend by my next words .
Expose his error . OH HE HAS PLENTIY of it
but reports against words will co help to lead to the false solutoin .
OF which i am worried you in part are already under , EVEN IF YA KNOW the truth about the GOD HEAD .
So allow me some parting words
Listen to them and let me explain . Anti christ , son of perdtion , satan
devil , hater , monster , and a whole ton of words that equate to or equal too FOUR LETTER
ones i wont repeat . MANY HAVE CALLED ME THESE NAMES
BUT THEY CANNOT silence my mouth .
You all keep reporting every wee tiny posts that offends ya , And beware
ITS GONNA BACKFIRE HUGE on those who speak EVEN THE TRUTH .
TAKE IT LIKE A MAN and expose him . stop whining . I been screamed at to my face
threated by men twice my size , IN PERSON .
Man up . i hope that dont offend ya . BUT FREE SPEECH IS SILENCED on this path you all are taking .
NOT that this scares me . BUT i say this cause you are about to have TRUTH silenced .
You all keep whining , keep complaining . EXPOSE THEM , EXPOSE THE DOCTRINE . stop worrying
about who says what about ya .
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