Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[APAK]

So WHO is it that you are denying? The Father? The Son?? The Holy Ghost???

Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

Those not accepting what the scripture is clearly telling us must be
using one of them funky modern new age "bibles" er something
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We don't need to understand it fully... that comes later.

We just need to accept what the Lord says.

Well, if you really want to be that simplistic and also deliberately vague, I deny that the Son is God and the the Holy Spirit is another separate person god. There is only one God, who is called the Father, and he has a Spirit and it's holy indeed.

Now what?

And I hope you get to your point soon else I'll be moving on....thx

 

[ProDeo]

The wilderness is a good analogy for a life of probation which we all are on!

What we have found in this discussion is the limitations of the Trinity are serious enough to rob a person of a true understanding of the following:

1 The true Godhead - Almighty God (single Person)
2 Christ's nature and the Victory through that nature
3 Christ's role as mediator
4 The HS function and purpose
5 The manifestation of God through His Mighty Ones (angels and Saints alike)

Most importantly above all of these is the Atonement and its reconciling principles which are totally lost on Trinitarians.

You are so wrong, I fully (100%) understand your (above) position.

I think you are missing the deep love of God for His fallen creation (John 3:16-17) that God Himself became human in the Person of Jesus (a part of Himself and the most precious He had) and gave His live so we could live and be reunited with God. God in the human flesh killed by His own creation, imagine that, and just that became our salvation. And that is deeply moving, what a love!

Okay, need some sleep.

 

[face2face]

Well, if you really want to be that simplistic and also deliberately vague, I deny that the Son is God and the the Holy Spirit is another separate person god. There is only one God, who is called the Father, and he has a Spirit and it's holy indeed.

Apak, Blessed are you, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by your Father in heaven.

The enormity of this revelation at a time of great confusion in the earth AND on the eve of his second coming, cannot be underestimated. Your usefulness in the Masters service will be highly valued.

F2F

 

[face2face]

You are so wrong, I fully (100%) understand your (above) position.

I think you are missing the deep love of God for His fallen creation (John 3:16-17)

This is a rather immature statement.

You think your idea of love is deeper because you wrongly believe God offered Himself?

Let's test this idea shall we?

1. John 3:16 ​

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."​

2. Romans 8:32​

"He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things?"​

3. John 10:17-18​

"The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."​

4. Romans 5:8 ​

"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."​

This verse reflects the offering of Jesus as an act of love by God, even when humanity was not deserving.

5. 2 Corinthians 5:21​

"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."​

6. Galatians 4:4-5​

"But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship."​

7. Ephesians 5:2​

"And walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God."​

8. 1 John 4:9-10​

"This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins." ​

9. Matthew 17:5​

"While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!'"​

I appreciate these verses do not hold your belief that God offered Himself, however they do contain an amazing love with which Yahweh has love us. He gave the Son which He gave life to and offered him as a sacrifice for sin

F2F

 

[Brakelite]

somehow pre-existed before he again existed for the second time as a human (and not as a human being to many) this is truly impossible anyway ..one can only exist only once as the same being.

Huh? No-one i have read of, heard, or spoken to has ever suggested that Jesus was born as a human in heaven prior to Bethlehem? Where do you get this stuff from? Your straw men are not very well built, they are like chaff in the wind.
The Father sent His Son into the world to become a human. That was an eternal sacrifice and massive demonstration of the love of both Father and Son to agree to such a step. See Philippians 2.
As to your continuing denial of such a possibility of a pre- incarnation Son of God, as if there is no evidence in scripture for such a concept , please note the following...

“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich. ”
2 Corinthians 8:9 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
When was Jesus ever rich as a human?

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. ”
Zechariah 9:9 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. ”
John 18:36 KJV

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So Jesus was a king, even before the resurrection!! When did that happen??

“6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
If I'm reading the above correctly, and I believe i have excellent reading skills, the Son of God chose to partake of human flesh. He did this in order to be able to die.

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
again, the Son chose to come as a human... He could have chosen to take on the likeness of an angel, but no, He humbled Himself and clothed His divine nature in human flesh. This is an eternal human state... a i said, a major sacrifice we cannot committeeman until we see Him and witness the glory He risked.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren,
same again... chose to become like unto His brethren.

that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. ”
Hebrews 2:6-7, 14-18 KJV

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“8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. ”
Romans 5:8-11 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ”
Romans 8:3-4 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. ”
1 John 4:1-3 KJV

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[David in NJ]

Huh? No-one i have read of, heard, or spoken to has ever suggested that Jesus was born as a human in heaven prior to Bethlehem? Where do you get this stuff from? Your straw men are not very well built, they are like chaff in the wind.
The Father sent His Son into the world to become a human. That was an eternal sacrifice and massive demonstration of the love of both Father and Son to agree to such a step. See Philippians 2.
As to your continuing denial of such a possibility of a pre- incarnation Son of God, as if there is no evidence in scripture for such a concept , please note the following...

“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich. ”
2 Corinthians 8:9 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
When was Jesus ever rich as a human?

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. ”
Zechariah 9:9 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. ”
John 18:36 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

So Jesus was a king, even before the resurrection!! When did that happen??

“6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
If I'm reading the above correctly, and I believe i have excellent reading skills, the Son of God chose to partake of human flesh. He did this in order to be able to die.

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
again, the Son chose to come as a human... He could have chosen to take on the likeness of an angel, but no, He humbled Himself and clothed His divine nature in human flesh. This is an eternal human state... a i said, a major sacrifice we cannot committeeman until we see Him and witness the glory He risked.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren,
same again... chose to become like unto His brethren.

that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. ”
Hebrews 2:6-7, 14-18 KJV

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“8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. ”
Romans 5:8-11 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ”
Romans 8:3-4 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. ”
1 John 4:1-3 KJV

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CRYSTAL CLEAR

 

[David in NJ]

Apak, Blessed are you, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by your Father in heaven.

The enormity of this revelation at a time of great confusion in the earth AND on the eve of his second coming, cannot be underestimated. Your usefulness in the Masters service will be highly valued.

F2F

@APAK

Because you reject the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, "flesh and blood" is the only thing you guys have right now.

Here is your "flesh and blood" confusion = "the Word was a god"

"the Word was a god" = only comes from SIN

 

[Brakelite]

No. I’m saying there are no Scriptures that plainly state Jesus existed eternally or even existed beyond our Creators plan for him before his 1st century birth.

“For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich. ”
2 Corinthians 8:9 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. ”
Zechariah 9:9 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. ”
John 18:36 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

“6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. ”
Hebrews 2:6-7, 14-18 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

www.unfeignedbible.app

“8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. ”
Romans 5:8-11 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. ”
Romans 8:3-4 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ”
Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

“1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. ”
1 John 4:1-3 KJV
Unfeigned Bible

The above are a very small sample of the numerous texts throughout the NT that speak of God sending His Son. Of the Son choosing to become human. Of the Son "coming forth"... being "brought forth"... begotten... etc before creation. Had to be before creation because there are also numerous scriptures that state the Father creating all things through His Son. I'm sure you are aware of them, though you don't have the faith to believe them.

 

[Magdala]

You restrict plurality to your Trinity definition (which is unbiblical!), whereas the concept of God working through the Elohim is Biblical and represents countless agents. Consider the Name-Bearing Angel, or figures like Michael, Gabriel, and all the angels.

It's your MO to disregard how God works through angels, people and even His Son.

An example of the concept "plurality within unity", from a philosophical perspective, is the substance of water, because it exists in multiple states, each distinct, united as one because they are the same substance: water. You said that there's a plurality within unity regarding God in Scripture, and to say that means God exists in multiple Persons, united as one because They are the same Essence. In other words, all the Persons are the one God. I don't think you really believe that, so did you misspeak?

 

[Brakelite]

It's clear you don't understand oneness.

You do??? Seriously? It is my principle complaint against the councils and those who established the various creeds, that they attempted to formulate the"oneness" of the Father and Son, by defining it, then enforcing it on the church. But you and your church can?
We cannot understand how the Father and Son are one. We are told they are one certainly but how that oneness is ontologically explained we are left in ignorance.
I don't know how the Father and Son, despite being 2 individuals, are one. That they are both holy, righteous, with the Son being the express image of the Father, in character, nature, and I presume appearance (as we are, although imperfectly), and while I agree with you that Jesus was 100% human, He was also connected intimately with the Father through His divine nature, and it was through that connection that He was able to be or example in living a holy sinless life. All the above is an expression of unity, but there's that unity in substance that scripture speaks of. It is that we cannot define our explain. Just as we cannot explain how the Father begot a Son in eternity. But we can believe He did based on the fact that He sent His Son into the world to become human, gave the same trials and temptations as we do, and overcome as we can through faith.
His divinity at times flashed through His humanity, (as in the temple when everyone fled from him except those who loved him, and in the garden when Judas and his friends fell backwards) but never did Jesus take advantage of divinity in order to live a loving selfless life in service to others. If He used His divine nature at all, He couldn't be our example. Even the miracles of healing and providence He acted in faith in the Fathers love... as He said, My Father doeth the works.
I fail to see any disadvantage by believing as I do, and why anyone would be so vehemently opposed.

 

[Brakelite]

Jesus Christ is the second person of the Trinity—co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. This does not divide God but affirms the unity of God’s being expressed in three persons

While I agree wholeheartedly with everything else in your post, the above excerpt is where i begin to draw back, for 2 main reasons.
First, co-equal denies the sense of submission and obedience of the Son throughout scripture, even in the OT...eg. Lo, I come to do Thy will o God.

Second, and more importantly, is the so called indivisibility of the Godhead/ trinity. That concept as expressed in most creeds and church manuals today, deny the full incarnation of Christ (meaning there is a part of Christ that didn't become human but remained with the trinity in heaven), and the atonement because the unity that cannot be divided means a part of Jesus didn't die. If that were the case, we are left with nothing more than a human sacrifice, and at no cost or risk to God whatsoever.

 

[David in NJ]

You do??? Seriously? It is my principle complaint against the councils and those who established the various creeds, that they attempted to formulate the"oneness" of the Father and Son, by defining it, then enforcing it on the church. But you and your church can?
We cannot understand how the Father and Son are one. We are told they are one certainly but how that oneness is ontologically explained we are left in ignorance.
I don't know how the Father and Son, despite being 2 individuals, are one. That they are both holy, righteous, with the Son being the express image of the Father, in character, nature, and I presume appearance (as we are, although imperfectly), and while I agree with you that Jesus was 100% human, He was also connected intimately with the Father through His divine nature, and it was through that connection that He was able to be or example in living a holy sinless life. All the above is an expression of unity, but there's that unity in substance that scripture speaks of. It is that we cannot define our explain. Just as we cannot explain how the Father begot a Son in eternity. But we can believe He did based on the fact that He sent His Son into the world to become human, gave the same trials and temptations as we do, and overcome as we can through faith.
His divinity at times flashed through His humanity, (as in the temple when everyone fled from him except those who loved him, and in the garden when Judas and his friends fell backwards) but never did Jesus take advantage of divinity in order to live a loving selfless life in service to others. If He used His divine nature at all, He couldn't be our example. Even the miracles of healing and providence He acted in faith in the Fathers love... as He said, My Father doeth the works.
I fail to see any disadvantage by believing as I do, and why anyone would be so vehemently opposed.

Jesus was 100% human is an IMPOSSIBILITY and therefore FALSE/ERROR/and worse

Only His physical body was 100% human

Jesus could ONLY be 100% human if He had human parents!!!

"the WORD was God" = 100% Elohim
the Word became flesh = only the flesh is 100% human = only the flesh body that was prepared inside the womb of Mary

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

 

[Magdala]

We cannot understand how the Father and Son are one. We are told they are one certainly but how that oneness is ontologically explained we are left in ignorance.

God exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son (the Word), and the Holy Spirit, each distinct, united as one because They are the same Essence: love. Another example of the concept "plurality within unity", from a philosophical perspective, is the substance of water, because it exists in multiple states, each distinct, united as one because they are the same substance: water. On July 1st, 1943, Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta His comparison of the Holy Trinity to light: The Notebooks: 1943, because as He puts it "this [light] is the only thing that can represent God without being antithetical to His spiritual Essence."

 

[David in NJ]

God exists in three Persons: the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Spirit, united as one because They are the same Essence: love, and you can understand this, because Jesus spoke about the Holy Trinity back in the 1940's.

you can understand this, because Jesus spoke about the Holy Trinity back in the 1940's.

SAY WHAT???

 

[Brakelite]

If Jesus is the son of God, that implies he is not God.

The scripture says, only begotten son. What else is Jesus if not God? Begotten does not mean created from nothing. It means one is brought forth, and is of the same substance and nature of that from which he is begotten. In our case, we are human because our fathers are human. Despite protests to the contrary, the Son of God is clearly begotten before creation. Begotten of God, therefore God begotten. When Jesus became flesh, He partook of human nature by sacrifice and choice. An eternal sacrifice that would have cost Him His very eternal existence had He sinned in the slightest. It was a great risk both He and the Father took. That risk exponentially demonstrates the extent of love of both Father and Son.

 

[Magdala]

SAY WHAT???

On July 1st, 1943, Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta His comparison of the Holy Trinity to light: The Notebooks: 1943, because as He puts it "this [light] is the only thing that can represent God without being antithetical to His spiritual Essence."

 

[David in NJ]

On July 1st, 1943, Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta His comparison of the Holy Trinity to light: The Notebooks: 1943, but it's not His only dictation to her on the Holy Trinity. He spoke about many other subjects as well. See links in my signature.

NEVER place your trust in that = NEVER

ALWAYS place you trust in the LORD Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

 

[David in NJ]

God exists in three Persons: the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Spirit, each distinct, united as one because They are the same Essence: love. Another example of the concept "plurality within unity", from a philosophical perspective, is the substance of water, because it exists in multiple states, each distinct, united as one because they are the same substance: water. On July 1st, 1943, Jesus dictated to Maria Valtorta His comparison of the Holy Trinity to light: The Notebooks: 1943.

God exists in three Persons: the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Spirit, = Because the TRUTH Declares it beginning in Genesis

 

[Magdala]

ALWAYS place you trust in the LORD Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

I do, but Jesus is the Word, and He speaks to whomever, whenever, and about whatever He wills. No one can forbid Him from doing so. Jesus made it known that Maria Valtorta was His spokesperson, just as He's always done with His spokespersons.

 

[David in NJ]

I do, but Jesus is the Word, and He speaks to whomever, whenever, and about whatever He wills. No one can forbid Him from doing so. Jesus made it known that Maria Valtorta was His spokesperson, just as He's always done with His spokespersons.

Jesus made it known that Maria Valtorta was His spokesperson, = this is a lie and it is idolatry

Do you know why???