Does the trinity make people right with God?

[Behold]

Without the FATHER, the WORD/Jesus and the HOLY SPIRIT - no one could be SAVED

Dwell on that!

Believing in the doctrine of the Trinity, has no bearing on being saved or lost.

Whereas believing the Gospel.......will get you saved everytime its Heard and Believed.

 

[MatthewG]

i get put on ignore daily . what is the wheat to the chaff . what folks do to me
wont move me off my course in CHRIST . and no matter how much they hate and cannot stand me
MY prayers are only good forthem and forgivness for them no matter what they do or say to me .
NOW for a reminder i so love to give . LETS get in the bible and get real busy learning and loving the truth .

You should keep that secret between you and God. I love all of you that I have on ignore.

 

[amigo de christo]

Just a word of caution to us all
The COMING of the GLORIOUS LORD draws NIGH . much of what is written
has been occuring and its hitting the great climatic peak .
Be watching and be ye ready for you do not know the hour your LORD does come .
And exhort one another daily and SO MUCH the MORE as WE SURE SEE HIS day approaching .
TO THE TRENCHES one and all , FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH . TO THE LORD BE ALL GLORY .

 

[David in NJ]

man it looks like i am going to have to say it again .
cause when i read this , GREAT FEAR for many struck my heart again .
David , i dont think you realize just how much that scared the daylights out of me
to see that man of pretrib who actually taught there gonna be ANOTHER gospel taught . I WAS LIKE SAY WHAT .
that literally shocked me to the core . Deadly , very deadly , very very deadly and anti christ Leading is that mindset .
That did not look good at all . I had zero idea that existed within pre trib .

They KNOW that pre-trib is VOID with only One Gospel = so they made up many gospels

SEE how that works!!!

 

[MatthewG]

@amigo de christo, @Behold, @David in NJ all three of you I’ve had and still have on ignore but I desire the best for you in Christ.

 

[Behold]

#1 - How is it possible for pre-trib is about to happen when we are already in Tribulation?

There is no Tribulation unless the Anti-Christ is running the world.

Do you see that happening?

Where is he?
WHat's his name?

So, if there is no Anti-Christ in a body, running the world right now....then that is because his time is not yet come.. and that Time begins the Tribulation.. or you can say that the Tribulation begins His Time.

#2 - How is pre-trib rapture possible when the Lord said HE is coming after the Tribulation of those days

Because the 2nd ADVNT = that is the Lord coming to stay down here.

The Rapture is when the Dead in Christ and the living Saint are "caught up in the Air".. to receive their new body, and final conforming into the "image of Christ" that is pre-destined.

#3 - How is pre-trib rapture possible when the OT Prophets, the LORD and His Apostles all say the Resurrection precedes the rapture?

What you posted is a man made interpretation that is a certain theology, that does not accept the Rapture.

 

[amigo de christo]

You should keep that secret between you and God. I love all of you that I have on ignore.

like the secrete you revealed about people banning you . come now its okay
to say it . DID i even use anyones name .
As far as love . Mathew i do love ya , but lets not kid ourselves you do not love me .
NOW i dont think you would try and kill me and i do believe
you want to beleive you do . But when i say hate its not always meaning one would scream or punch or kill .
Let me give an example .
YE shall NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart you shall in any way rebuke him , correct him and NOT allow sin upon him .
NOW most who do hate their neighbor , dONT THINK they do . they think its actually loving him
to say nothing .
So when i say you dont love me , WELL you dont my friend . BUT i do love you and its why
i desire only good for you and its why i bring truth to you to try and help you .

 

[David in NJ]

There is no Tribulation unless the Anti-Christ is running the world.

Do you see that happening?

Where is he?
WHat's his name?

So, if there is no Anti-Christ in a body, running the world right now....then that is because his time is not yet come.. and that Time begins the Tribulation.. or you can say that the Tribulation begins His Time.




Because the 2nd ADVNT = that is the Lord coming to stay down here.

The Rapture is when the Dead in Christ and the living Saint are "caught up in the Air".. to receive their new body, and final conforming into the "image of Christ" that is pre-destined.



What you posted is a man made interpretation that is a certain theology, that does not accept the Rapture.

Good response to which we will compare to the words spoken by our FATHER who is in Heaven.

i do not want to take over this Thread with my responses and i am signing-off as i am very tired.

Will respond to you tomorrow = unless i get raptured = lolx100

 

[MatthewG]

@amigo de christo, I do love you… it’s just some people I can’t handle so as you know, sometimes we just gotta give them to God. We have had issues in the past. I don’t hate you, it’s just your simply not my dad. You’ve always treated me like I’m some kid, and I’m always wrong. Who wants to talk with someone who treats you like? You know what I mean?

Many older people want me to respect them because they are my elder being older and what not, it’s weird dynamic… no one here is my dad or my mother. (As though I should submit to everything that say as though they are right.)

 

[amigo de christo]

There is no Tribulation unless the Anti-Christ is running the world.

Do you see that happening?

Where is he?
WHat's his name?

So, if there is no Anti-Christ in a body, running the world right now....then that is because his time is not yet come.. and that Time begins the Tribulation.. or you can say that the Tribulation begins His Time.




Because the 2nd ADVNT = that is the Lord coming to stay down here.

The Rapture is when the Dead in Christ and the living Saint are "caught up in the Air".. to receive their new body, and final conforming into the "image of Christ" that is pre-destined.



What you posted is a man made interpretation that is a certain theology, that does not accept the Rapture.

oh my near and dear friend . I SURE do see tribulation . maybe not here in the western socities so much
but TRIBULATION has long raged against the saints .
AND that which is of ANTI CHRIST has had many anti christs long at work .
You see i aint even pre trib . BUT beleive you me when i say THE COMING OF THE LORD DO DRAW NIGH .
to be watching and be ready for HE COMETH in an hour ye know not .
KEY SIGNS are showing us . Inquity has sky rocketed
an all out total reprobation has set in to merge this people as one under a lie , sin accepting , many path lie .
and they all believe its how we shall attain peace n safety .
BUT WOE WAIL unto them all , for SUDDEN DESTRUCTION shall come upon them unawares .
AND please understand , YA BETTER BE READY to even DIE FOR CHRIST cause tribulations will only increase
with whatever time we have left .

 

[David in NJ]

like the secrete you revealed about people banning you . come now its okay
to say it . DID i even use anyones name .
As far as love . Mathew i do love ya , but lets not kid ourselves you do not love me .
NOW i dont think you would try and kill me and i do believe
you want to beleive you do . But when i say hate its not always meaning one would scream or punch or kill .
Let me give an example .
YE shall NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart you shall in any way rebuke him , correct him and NOT allow sin upon him .
NOW most who do hate their neighbor , dONT THINK they do . they think its actually loving him
to say nothing .
So when i say you dont love me , WELL you dont my friend . BUT i do love you and its why
i desire only good for you and its why i bring truth to you to try and help you .

Agree

 

[Behold]

Good response to which we will compare to the words spoken by our FATHER who is in Heaven.

Even the world's worst student of eschatology, knows that the Anti-Christ is not coming before or after the Tribulation.

So, if you say we are "in the Trib", .......... then show us who the Anti-Christ is, as he has to be here as the Trib-Grt Trib is his : TIME.

Let me guess

Is it Barak Obama?.......He's a good choice, but.. unless He's running the world from behind the Curtain,.. he's not the man.

A.) The Anti-Christ not here, because we are not in the Tribulation Yet.

its soon enough, and thank God, that the wrath that is coming to this earth wont fall on the Christians, as we wont be here.

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo, I do love you… it’s just some people I can’t handle so as you know, sometimes we just gotta give them to God. We have had issues in the past. I don’t hate you, it’s just your simply not my dad. You’ve always treated me like I’m some kid, and I’m always wrong. Who wants to talk with someone who treats you like? You know what I mean?

Many older people want me to respect them because they are my elder being older and what not, it’s weird dynamic… no one here is my dad or my mother. (As though I should submit to everything that say as though they are right.)

Mathew please hear this and understand .
IF i bring something and someone dont agree , I can handle it and i will correct them and show them BY doctrine their error .
IF you make posts , people are gonna disagree . that is fact .
It would be like me making a post and then you dont agree with it
and you come and tell me its wrong and i say mathew stop treating me like i am a kid .
That is not what is being done to you . You have to learn to not get so easily upset .
And really listen . YOU have to TEST everything i say
But you must do so with the bible . YOU SEE anyone of us can get up and start teaching any ol thing
and if our measure by which we measure it to see if it is right or wrong
COMES FROM OUR FEELINGS , mathew that dont work . that is often why the church has had so many divisions
and strifes .
THIS is why i am trying to get you to get back into just the bible for yourself . so you can learn for yourself .
its not an attack at all . its out of great cocern and love for the people that i do as i do .

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @David in NJ,

It’s the same thing with Behold and Amigo.

I don’t hate none of you. It’s just this weird dynamic between all us. I’m the only person here who believes Jesus has returned.

And it’s just simply the way you address and try to talk to me that always puts me off from even wanting to hear what you have to say.

Jesus said walk away from people who won’t listen to your message concerning his Apostles in his day.

Well that’s the walk away button “ignore” it’s nothing personal I want to engage but how can I engage with people who only desire to speak down to me? As though because they are older they have some type of authority.

It’s really weird to me and thus, I typically just ignore yall. It’s nothing personal, it’s just there is a dynamic in place which turns me away and makes me desire to walk away.

 

[MatthewG]

Mathew please hear this and understand .
IF i bring something and someone dont agree , I can handle it and i will correct them and show them BY doctrine their error .
IF you make posts , people are gonna disagree . that is fact .
It would be like me making a post and then you dont agree with it
and you come and tell me its wrong and i say mathew stop treating me like i am a kid .
That is not what is being done to you . You have to learn to not get so easily upset .
And really listen . YOU have to TEST everything i say
But you must do so with the bible . YOU SEE anyone of us can get up and start teaching any ol thing
and if our measure by which we measure it to see if it is right or wrong
COMES FROM OUR FEELINGS , mathew that dont work . that is often why the church has had so many divisions
and strifes .
THIS is why i am trying to get you to get back into just the bible for yourself . so you can learn for yourself .
its not an attack at all . its out of great cocern and love for the people that i do as i do .

I don’t have any feelings toward you. Love doesn’t involve feelings.

Love is patient, love kind, love in not boastful, love desire when truth wins out, etc… I can only handle so much. I’m human.

You think I need to be corrected and stuff and that’s the problem. A big problem. With me personally with you.

 

[David in NJ]

Even the world's worst student of eschatology, knows that the Anti-Christ is not coming before or after the Tribulation.

So, if you say we are "in the Trib", .......... then show us who the Anti-Christ is, as he has to be here as the Trib-Grt Trib is his : TIME.

Let me guess

Is it Barak Obama?.......He's a good choice, but.. unless He's running the world from behind the Curtain,.. he's not the man.

A.) The Anti-Christ not here, because we are not in the Tribulation Yet.

its soon enough, and thank God, that the wrath that is coming to this earth wont fall on the Christians, as we wont be here.

Tomorrow

me sleepy-sleepy

 

[Behold]

. I’m the only person here who believes Jesus has returned.

You believe this because the theology of Preterism sold you that lie.
Had you never met this teaching.. from someone who was selling it.. you would not have obsessed on it.

 

[Behold]

Tomorrow

me sleepy-sleepy

Np.

Maybe you'll dream of the name of the Anti-Christ, who isnt here yet.

 

[amigo de christo]

Even the world's worst student of eschatology, knows that the Anti-Christ is not coming before or after the Tribulation.

So, if you say we are "in the Trib", .......... then show us who the Anti-Christ is, as he has to be here as the Trib-Grt Trib is his : TIME.

Let me guess

Is it Barak Obama?.......He's a good choice, but.. unless He's running the world from behind the Curtain,.. he's not the man.

A.) The Anti-Christ not here, because we are not in the Tribulation Yet.

its soon enough, and thank God, that the wrath that is coming to this earth wont fall on the Christians, as we wont be here.

who sets up the peace pact again . you know the one in the middle east and the world .
you know like INTERFIATH is TRYING TO DO with its many anti christs .
BEHOLD my friend
you look foreward to that which has long been at work . THIS IS that which is OF ANTI CHRIST
which ye heard should come , AND EVEN NOW IS IT IN THE WORLD . EVEN NOW there are many anti christs
WHEREBY WE KNOW IT IS THE LAST TIME . this didnt stop , ITS GOTTEN MASSIVE friend .
He who has been a letting , a working that mystery of inquity , HE HAS BEEEN a working trhough men FOR A LONG LONG TIME .

 

[David in NJ]

Hello @David in NJ,

It’s the same thing with Behold and Amigo.

I don’t hate none of you. It’s just this weird dynamic between all us. I’m the only person here who believes Jesus has returned.

And it’s just simply the way you address and try to talk to me that always puts me off from even wanting to hear what you have to say.

Jesus said walk away from people who won’t listen to your message concerning his Apostles in his day.

Well that’s the walk away button “ignore” it’s nothing personal I want to engage but how can I engage with people who only desire to speak down to me? As though because they are older they have some type of authority.

It’s really weird to me and thus, I typically just ignore yall. It’s nothing personal, it’s just there is a dynamic in place which turns me away and makes me desire to walk away.

It’s just this weird dynamic between all us. I’m the only person here who believes Jesus has returned.

MatthewG - amigo and i CARE about you for the very statement above is DIRECTLY against Scripture

The spirit of antichrist will opposes every Truth in the Bible - little by little - one at a time

Gotta go now Matt - Good Night