Does the trinity make people right with God?

[MatthewG]

Just so you all know I’m not affiliated with any Churches. There is only one website I do use, which is Christian Ultra Libertarians for Truth, www.cult.love for short. If you all believe that your stances influence or effect the reasonings for our need to love. Then I believe that truly is a vulnerability within the complexity of one’s own heart. Don’t get me wrong; it’s hard to love those who have differences, and conflicting notions. However; Does God/Yahavah love all people or does he not?

Does God love the trinity believer more than,
The person who never heard of Jesus but looks to God and seeks him above all things? Does God love the simple faithful people? Does God love at all? Or does he constantly stand and judge us all guilty? Hasn’t Jesus taken care of the sin and people choose whether or not they seek to Honor God and love him? And have help from the Holy Spirit to do so? Aside from all the occurring judgments from other people?


I’m an apolitical Christian and love my presidents no matter who is office… what people make of me makes no difference. I love you nonetheless; even the people that I just have to let God handle and have to place on ignore.

May you understand where I’m coming from.

 

[rockytopva]

Hello @rockytopva,

I’ve never dishonored Yahavah, or the Son of God. It’s stated in Romans chapter 5, when Paul wrote to the saints at Rome, that Yahavah gives the Holy Spirit to people in their hearts. Are you judging me because of the things that I say?

“Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

What are attributes of the Holy Spirit / Spirit of Christ spiritually within us?

22 The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Galatians 5

Nothing here on human ego as being that spirit!

 

[rockytopva]

And there are things contrary to the correct spirit...

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Galatians 5

 

[rockytopva]

There are people who are doctrinally right... But of terrible spirit. Being filled with the Holy Spirit would be a wonderful remedy!

 

[rockytopva]

Objection.... Rocktopva... There are many of your own denomination who are doctrinally correct... But spiritually a million miles away from God...

Answer - I know that! Especially post covid... I can only cry out with the Apostle Paul...

Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. - 2 Corinthians 11:28

It is a terrible thing for me to have seen such a variety of folk all within the same mental doctrine. There are people out there way too hard hearted for the Good Spirit to do anything for them!

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @rockytopva,

What do you seek? I’ve requested this thread to be put in discussion. Are you judging me to not have the Holy Spirit? Isn’t that against the rules?

You act as though just because you are superior to me as an admin, I must subject myself under your authority or something.

It’s really weird and strange to me. I’ve been cordial and I haven’t demeaned anyone… I’m just blunt and my writing style can infuriate people; but I’m just being straight up.

 

[rockytopva]

Hello @rockytopva,

What do you seek? I’ve requested this thread to be put in discussion. Are you judging me to not have to Holy Spirit? Isn’t that against the rules?

You act as though just because you are superior to me as an admin, I must subject myself under your authority or something.

It’s really weird and strange to me. I’ve been cordial and I haven’t demeaned anyone… I’m just blunt and my writing style can infuriate people; but I’m just being straight up.

The Apostle Paul says... "I think also that I have the Spirit of God." I would tell him in return.... "That's a nice addition to the mind and body!"

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @rockytopva,

The topic is; does the trinity make anyone right with God. You’ve done stated what you wanted. I haven’t assumed anything other than you’re just being absolutely strange to me. Can I request you leave me alone? Because it becomes harassment after awhile.

It’s nothing personal. I believe we should respect each other if we are going to abide in Christ and if we’re not gonna respect one another I wish for you to leave me alone.

Thanks man.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you to all the people who have actively participated in this thread.

 

[rockytopva]

Treat me however you like I don't care... But it is essential for a believer to be filled with the Spirit of God...

1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7 And all the men were about twelve. - Acts 19

 

[MatthewG]

Hey Mr. I thank you for helping me kill an hour of my time while I was at the doctors office. OK I’ll do the best and I don’t know what your issue is with me personally as you just don’t like me or whatever it is I have no issues with you. I’ve been respectful towards you. You not respecting my boundaries though is a bit offputting however, I still thank you. I love you and I hope the best for you and not only you but your family and not only you and your family but all the members here on this forum God bless and take care

 

[MatthewG]

Yahava/God is good. Yahavah, sent his Word that became flesh born of spirit and flesh named Yeshua/Jesus. He died on the cross and then was risen for justification in fulfilling the Old Testament law. He was risen by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah/God.

Believers today receive the Spirit of Christ.

“For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭ESV‬‬

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Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not b

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Jesus promised his disciples that he would send the Holy Spirit.

““If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭15‬-‭17‬ ‭ESV‬‬

John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you.

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Jesus even tells of the ability to ask the Father to help us by the Holy Spirit.

“What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭11‬:‭11‬-‭13‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Luke 11:11-13 What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts | English Standard Version 2016 (ES

What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts

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The Holy Spirit is also placed into the hearts of believers through faith in the Lord Yeshua, by Yahavah himself.

“Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Romans 5:1-4 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejo | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV

Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejo

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While people are given the ability to choose between the flesh and the spirit; it’s only by abiding in Christ that anything which heavenly is performed.

““I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

John 15:1-5 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Already | English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)

“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Already

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On top of all these notions there are only two kinds of wisdom.

“Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.”
‭‭James‬ ‭3‬:‭13‬-‭18‬ ‭ESV‬‬

James 3:13-18 Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be | English Standard Version 2016 (ES

Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be

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[MatthewG]

Here is another scripture in which we can know something.

1 John 4
11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God remains in us, and His love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we remain in Him, and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent His Son to be the Savior of the world.

If this is the case... that we can "know that God is in us, by the holy spirit." In the end, the topic addressed doesn't even matter. It's love, which accounts for anything.

What is love?

Think of what these passages below mean; 1 Corinthians 13: 4-7.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

 

[Ritajanice]

We need a living testimony ..to become Born Again.

We don’t need to believe in no trinity.,our spirit must be reborn = by supernatural divine heart revelation.

Just as the word says.

Posting reams of scripture and commentaries doesn’t make one’s spirit Born Again.,that’s the work of the Holy Spirit..I became Born Of The Spirit in an instance..by = supernatural divine heart revelation ..the Holy Spirit is Alive And Active in all of God’s children.

Our faith is also alive and Active.,it just keeps on growing, because our spirit has been reborn / birthed into Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.

A Born Again are clothed in the righteousness of Christ...forgiven by God of all sin.
We mature in spirit..not human intellect.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Ritajanice,

Yes. It's amazing how much infighting ensues on websites like this and back when Paul wrote to the Corinthians.

Being born again is simply the start of the journey.
People whom are born again, start off as babes in Christ.
However, growing in spiritual maturity, a person becomes a son or daughter of God.

There are already many people who are born again, but they are babes in Christ.
There are also many people who are born again, have been a babe in Christ, and have grown up to become a son or daughter of God.

Did you know that? I realize your main concern is constantly about being born again, and I agree that is where it all starts, but that is not where it starts and ends.

References: 1 Corinthians 3:1; Romans 8:14-17;Parable of the Sower (Matthew 13)


There are many people who hold up certain aspects of the bible as higher than other aspects. There is a knowing... what I shared prior before you posted to "know that God is within you by the holy spirit," and it's him perfecting "love."

References 1 John 4:11-14; 1 Corinthians 13:4-7

Did anyone else know that? People who fight over doctrine, and things of that nature, are simply people who are babes in Christ, it's only when we mature we become more patient, and even allow them to think like they do after having made them aware of it, and pray that God works with them... ultimately loving others.

:)

 

[Ritajanice]

Did you know that? I realize your main concern is constantly about being born again, and I agree that is where it all starts, but that is not where it starts and ends

We start in the Spirit, we end in the Spirit.

A Born Again will grow and mature in their spirit, why do you think that is?

We glorify the power of the Living Spirit Of God.,who is it in us who is making us into Jesus image?

He is that vital ingredient that we need, otherwise we are just leading ourselves through the penned word.

We need that Living testimony to know and follow the Spirit..only he can teach us. Not manmade doctrine..

No one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Living Holy Spirit..

It’s a long and hard road of growing in spiritual knowledge @MatthewG .

Maybe you can explain how we progress once we become Born Again?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Ritajanice ,

It's just rhetorical to listen to. Nothing that you are saying is adding any value to what has been stated prior... That is why I place you on ignore.

What about the person who doesn't know the name Jesus, are they out of luck? The aboriginal person out in the wilderness, sees nature and the stars and believes there is something much bigger than them; are they not able to get the holy spirit from Yahavah himself? You don't just end and stop there... you grow and mature just as Jesus stated "store up for yourselves treasures in heaven."

It's between building up the flesh or building up the spirit, and in the end building up on the spiritual is going to mean much more in the end, rather than staying stagnant and dying, Jesus has stated in the Parable of the Sower.

 

[MatthewG]

It's sad to see that if only being born again matters only, and not growing and maturing and learning and knowing God, and the Lord Jesus. That is all I am saying. I do believe that being brought from spiritual death to spiritual life (born again) is vital. However, once you reach that point you wanna try to move forward into growing and learning more... However, people stay where they are as they are comfortable, and that is okay.

Hebrews 6:1-3
Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God, 2 instruction about cleansing rites,[b] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hello @Ritajanice ,

It's just rhetorical to listen to. Nothing that you are saying is adding any value to what has been stated prior... That is why I place you on ignore.

It’s probably rethorical to you , because you lack maturity in your spirit, you get all defensive ,you speak from your own emotions.,Mathew.you too repeat to me., I’m going to put you on ignore Rita..

How many times have I heard that, can you not notice that you are up and down like a yo, yo,I’m the same at times.so who do we look to ,to help us with this? @MatthewG ?

What about the person who doesn't know the name Jesus, are they out of luck? The aboriginal person out in the wilderness, sees nature and the stars and believes there is something much bigger than them; are they not able to get the holy spirit from Yahavah himself? You don't just end and stop there... you grow and mature just as Jesus stated "store up for yourselves treasures in heaven."

This is your intellect speaking here.

It's between building up the flesh or building up the spirit, and in the end building up on the spiritual is going to mean much more in the end, rather than staying stagnant and dying, Jesus has stated in the Parable of the Sower.

Not biblical Mathew..sorry.your opinion.

 

[Ritajanice]

It's sad to see that if only being born again matters only, and not growing and maturing and learning and knowing God, and the Lord Jesus. That is all I am saying. I do believe that being brought from spiritual death to spiritual life (born again) is vital. However, once you reach that point you wanna try to move forward into growing and learning more... However, people stay where they are as they are comfortable, and that is okay.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,

Thanks for your testimony Mathew..

How do you learn to mature Mathew.by whose witness.?