Does the trinity make people right with God?

[Wrangler]

passage I gave you

The lord God said he was sent by the father and his spirit.

That’s not what that verse says. Try another translation. The LORD God sent Isaiah. It is Isaiah speaking. He was sent by the LORD God.

Yes, Jesus was also sent by the Lord God but the passage you quote refers to Isaiah.

Once you accept the trinity is not in the Bible, it will be much easier for you to properly understand it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That’s not what that verse says. Try another translation. The LORD God sent Isaiah. It is Isaiah speaking. He was sent by the LORD God.

Yes, Jesus was also sent by the Lord God but the passage you quote refers to Isaiah.

Once you accept the trinity is not in the Bible, it will be much easier for you to properly understand it.

see folks. see how they word.

According to Wrangler here

Isaiah created the heavens and earth
Isaiah spreads out the heavens with his had
Isaiah speaks and things happen. or relents and things do not happen
Isaiah is the lord God of heaven,

This is what I mean when I say some people will just not get it. I spelled it out to him, and he still does not get it. and refuses to even look at the passage.

Run, run far away from these people

 

[MatthewG]

I love people who believe the trinity. The thing is, I don’t believe it. I still believe the Father in Heaven and also the Son of God, both deserve glory for what they have done. I love people, I desire only the best for them despite the differences, those who want to segregate people, is no different than when Jim Crow laws were instated for blacks and whites.

 

[Wrangler]

According to Wrangler here

God sent Isaiah. For some reason, you have to make it seem absurd.

And that reason is the trinity is not in Scripture.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God sent Isaiah. For some reason, you have to make it seem absurd.

But Isaiah did not say those words God did. And I proved it by putting the whole passage in my post. And explaining how these were gods words No isaiah’s

so as usual. I have to either believe you are playing Ganes and you do not believe what you are saying, you are tryign to get a ruse out of me or you do not want to know the truth, because your pride is to deep.

in neither case do things look good for you

And that reason is the trinity is not in Scripture.

Whatever. Good day sir.. After years. I still would never look to you for any spirited or logical proof for or against the trinity

 

[GodsGrace]

Listen; to all the trinity believers. That’s fine if you believe that. It doesn’t affect my life at all. However is that what the Bible tell us to do? Believe on the trinity to be saved? I personally love the Father in Heaven, the Word which he had sent that became flesh, and was born of flesh and spirit, and am thankful that Yahavah places the Holy Spirit in the hearts of believers of the resurrected Yeshua; whom was raised by the Holy Spirit of the Father. Does all those things make me a “trinity believers?” Does holding the title card of believing the trinity make a person a better Christian than the other who may not believe that tradition?



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Who/What is Jesus to you?
Was He just a man?
Could just a man redeem mankind?
Do you worship just a man?

Is He the Son of God?
What does that mean?
You have a child...he's human.
God has a child...he's God.

Could you explain Acts 7:59-60 to me....
It seems to me that immediately after Jesus ascended....not 100 years later when some doctrine would have had time to be developed....
Jews were calling on the name of Jesus...
Calling on the name of: In Jewish culture this meant to pray to.
Do you think that the Jews prayed to someone, a person, and NOT God??

Who forgives sin?
Can only God forgive sin?

Acts 7:59-60 Stephen is put to death.
58When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”
60Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.


Did Jesus have the authority to not hold the sins against the persons
that stoned Stephen to death?

 

[quietthinker]

Hello to whom it may concern,

Does anyone else have anything to say concerning the topic?

You know how it is Matthew, morphing is a part of human conversation. We wander off into deserts will walking in jungles.

 

[Wrangler]

But Isaiah did not say those words God did.

The same is true when Jesus repeats God’s words. See the difference?

When Isaiah says it, you rightly say theses are God’s words. But when another prophet says it, D’at different. That other prophet, you say is not merely saying God’s words but is God.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @GodsGrace,

Those all seem like instigating questions. Do I have the right to refuse to answer them? I do. My beliefs are quite openly known on this board. If you get me to subject myself to having to choose one or the other, I’ll still choose in the face of opposition to love the other. That’s the thing about these types of topics. Many people believe they have to make sure those who oppose one view; means the other view is winning. Both views are viable; though Ive stated simply, that the trinity doesn’t save anyone. I don’t believe it makes a person anymore closer to Yahavah than the one whom is just a faithful believer, who seeks the Father in spirit and in truth.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @quietthinker,

I just didn’t like the assuming on the one man’s part… what can you do though. Many people like to assume; when we should not. Asking question is helpful, as long as they are not instigating questions. Alas the nature we have is what we have; and all one can try to do is abide in Christ as its with him we can do what he needs us to without the notion of our flesh assuming control over the situation.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The same is true when Jesus repeats God’s words. See the difference?

When Isaiah says it, you rightly say theses are God’s words. But when another prophet says it, D’at different. That other prophet, you say is not merely saying God’s words but is God.

Sorry but you can not walk out of this one Post the whole passage like i did. And tell us why it is not God talking.

or prove to us that once again, you arguing on air. Just to argue. But really have no facts

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hello @GodsGrace,

Those all seem like instigating questions. Do I have the right to refuse to answer them? I do. My beliefs are quite openly known on this board. If you get me to subject myself to having to choose one or the other, I’ll still choose in the face of opposition to love the other. That’s the thing about these types of topics. Many people believe they have to make sure those who oppose one view; means the other view is winning. Both views are viable; though Ive stated simply, that the trinity doesn’t save anyone. I don’t believe it makes a person anymore closer to Yahavah than the one whom is just a faithful believer, who seeks the Father in spirit and in truth.

This is the person who opened the thread saying this..lol

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Eternally Grateful,

. The topic is “does the trinity save anyone, or make people right with God.”

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello @GodsGrace,

Those all seem like instigating questions. Do I have the right to refuse to answer them? I do. My beliefs are quite openly known on this board. If you get me to subject myself to having to choose one or the other, I’ll still choose in the face of opposition to love the other. That’s the thing about these types of topics. Many people believe they have to make sure those who oppose one view; means the other view is winning. Both views are viable; though Ive stated simply, that the trinity doesn’t save anyone. I don’t believe it makes a person anymore closer to Yahavah than the one whom is just a faithful believer, who seeks the Father in spirit and in truth.

Oh.

Well, then let me say this.

You could believe whatever you wish to believe and I'm not here to judge you or anyone else.
However, If you don't believe in the Trinity....what makes you think you're a Christian?

This is not to say that your not saved or born again.
Doctrine won't save anyone.
BUT
A CHRISTian MUST believe the Trinity.

You see MatthewG.....the Christian religion/faith was started and defined many years ago...about 2 thousand.
The rules have already been set....it's not up to us here in the 21st century to CREATE OUR OWN RELIGION/FAITH.

My questions are to make you THINK.
Stephen believed Jesus was God.
He CALLED ON JESUS....
This means that he prayed to Jesus.
Jews of that time did not pray TO MEN...
they prayed to GOD.

Does a man have the authority to forgive sin?
NO.
Jesus forgave the sins of the paralyzed man and the Jews around him said that he blasphemed.
Stephen, a Jew, asked Jesus not to hold his killers sin agains them.

Since only GOD can forgive sin....
I'd have to say that those that knew Jesus and/or knew about Him...
believed He was God.

What we believe is of NO IMPORTANCE.

BUT,,,,if we're going to say we're CHRISTian,,,then we have to believe what the early Christians believed.

If you want to start up a new religion, you can....
but the Christian one is already defined.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello @Eternally Grateful,

. The topic is “does the trinity save anyone, or make people right with God.”

Here's an answer for you:

If Jesus is God
and you don't believe He is,
How will He judge you when the time comes?

I don't know that anyone can answer this question with any certainty.
God is to be worshipped.
If Jesus is God you should be worshipping Him.

And if He's not God....WHAT IS HE....which goes back to my original question to you.

I think the answer you give might also answer the OP question.

 

[rockytopva]

I love people who believe the trinity. The thing is, I don’t believe it. I still believe the Father in Heaven and also the Son of God, both deserve glory for what they have done. I love people, I desire only the best for them despite the differences, those who want to segregate people, is no different than when Jim Crow laws were instated for blacks and whites.

What about the most important thing???

And the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon him... - Judges 14:6
And when he came unto Lehi, the Philistines shouted against him: and the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon him,... - Judges 15:14
And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge... - Isaiah 11L2
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. - Zechariah 4:6

The mind and body alone is useless without the Holy Spirit! We need to be filled with the Holy Spirit to be of any value to God!

 

[rockytopva]

Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. - Zechariah 4:6

Nothing there referring to the human ego as being that spirit!

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @GodsGrace,

My question to you, would simple be. Are you Yahavah/God to judge me?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @rockytopva,

I’ve never dishonored Yahavah, or the Son of God. It’s stated in Romans chapter 5, when Paul wrote to the saints at Rome, that Yahavah gives the Holy Spirit to people in their hearts. Are you judging me because of the things that I say?

“Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

What are attributes of the Holy Spirit / Spirit of Christ spiritually within us?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hello @GodsGrace,

My question to you, would simple be. Are you Yahavah/God to judge me?

She was not judging you. She asked you a question