Babylon

[The Light]

Rev.17:8 does not tell us what 'number' of beast king that verse is describing.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Do you see a number 5, 6, 7, or 8 there above? I don't.

I don't see the number either. Nor do I see 1,2,3 or 4. The beast of the sea will be the eighth king. The 7th king that has not come yet will give him his power. Additionally, the eighth king will be one of the seven.

Ecc 1
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

There is no new thing under the sun. By the way, Nimrod is the sun in the Babylonian religion. He was the first ruler of the world and he will be the last ruler of the world.

But what we DO... see is that descriptor - "and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:". That cannot be about anyone other than Satan himself, for he is the "king" and angel of the bottomless pit per Revelation 9:11.

So you think Satan is in the bottomless pit? How then do you expect him to fall from heaven as you said in another post? I think He is currently free to deceive the world.

That means one MUST... apply that "was, and is not;" phrase to Satan himself. And WHEN does he ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT per God's Word? I showed you already...

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

So what's your problem. You aren't having difficulty reading that above are you?

You have a multitude of problems if you think Satan is in the bottomless pit.

The eighth king is Nimrod who is of the 7.

 

[Davy]

I don't see the number either. Nor do I see 1,2,3 or 4. The beast of the sea will be the eighth king. The 7th king that has not come yet will give him his power. Additionally, the eighth king will be one of the seven.

And you won't see a number of which beast king the Rev.17:8 verse is speaking of, and I made that point in my earlier post. So would you like to try again to understand what I actually wrote?

In that Rev.17:8 verse, what descriptor about that beast king is... actually given there in that that verse?? The descriptor of that one will ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition of the lake of fire. Can anyone claim that is about a flesh man ASCENDING out of the bottomless pit?? And sorry Nimrod being resurrected or cloned just ain't... gonna' work.

Even in the Rev.17:10 verse, we are given a clue that the 7th beast king will only work "a short space", meaning a short time. In Rev.12:12 we are told when Satan is cast down to earth with his angels, he knows he has but "a short time". And don't you recall that Rev.17:12 verse says the ten kings will rule "one hour" with that 7th beast king?

So what is... that "short space", "short time", "one hour" symbolically pointing to? The time of "great tribulation", the 42 months the "dragon" (Satan) will have power over all nations and peoples on earth at the end of this world just prior to Christ's return.

Lord Jesus gave us many clues that 7th beast king will be Satan. One just has to listen to His 'written' Word, paying attention and think.


Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

That phrase above in red, where did you see that first written in that Chapter?

Here...

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

That "eighth" beast king would not exist if it is only to be counted as one of the previous 7. You're not properly interpreting that 11th verse. That idea "and is of the seven" is pointing to the 8th beast's connection with those other 7 beast kings, in likeness. So we have to understand back to Rev.17:10 where John tells us 5 of those beast kings were history, and that "one is" meaning in John's day being the 6th one. Who do you think was 'behind' the working of those 6 beast kings of history? Satan himself; he influenced them to setup world empires, because that is exactly what he tried to do back when he first rebelled in the beginning (see Rev.12:3-4).

But for this 7th beast king, we are given a specific descriptor that cannot... apply to any flesh beast king nor any flesh-born person. And that is how the 7th beast king "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition". That can only... be about Satan himself, and not anyone else.

 

[The Light]

Nope! Those Isaiah 14 verses are about LUCIFER...

Isa 14:12-15
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
KJV

The original Hebrew word there is 'heylel' which means 'morning star', but the KJV translators made that "Lucifer" so one would not be confused as to whom God was actually talking about there.

Yep! Sounds like you should have done a little more REsearch. When they were translating the Hebrew word "heyel" the translators grabbed the word "lucifer" from the Latin Vulgate. It was not a proper name in the Latin Vulgate, and neither in the Hebrew. Instead of properly translating the word, they made it a proper name "Lucifer". It is not a proper name in the Hebrew or Latin vulgate. This is a translation error. The correct translation is "day star", as Jesus is the "morning star"

In the 1st edition 1611 KJV Bible, the translators have an alternate reading in the side margin of that text of "O Day Starre", just so we'd know they put "Lucifer" in there on purpose, and not by mistake.

They have the name Lucifer in there because they made an error. The original text from Hebrew and the Latin Vulgate were not proper names. If they understood the earlier verses about the fir trees and cedars of Lebon rejoicing because no "feller" has come against them since he was laid down, they would have known the verses are talking about Nimrod.

Further, if they understood the Babylonian religion they would have understood that Nimrod is claimed to become the sun at his death. The Babylonian religion is based on Nimrod the Sun or Day Star, Semiramis the queen of heaven....the moon and Tammuz the supposed reincarnation of Nimrod........the star......all in the Bible.

This false religion based on the sun, moon and star is in most religions of the world. Look at any religion and you will almost always find the false trinity of the sun, moon and star............with the sun god being male. One exception is Islam with the moon being the male god.

BYW.........these signs are all around in corporate logos. You just don't understand what they are. And pyramids three sides represent sun, moon and stars.

Thus the REAL symbolic "king of Babylon", and "the Assyrian", and "king of Tyrus", which God uses as types, are about Satan himself, and not Nimrod.

Sorry Davy. The King of Babylon is Nimrod, and he is also the Assyrian.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

For those with eyes to see and ears to listen, I have already answered the question. Christ is not seated on his throne and THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is the fulfillment of God’s plan to plant Israel and Judah in the earth to bring in the Gentiles. Christ returns to sit on his throne (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12).

Everyone here can see that you're dodging my question. Do you believe that we are in Christ's spiritual kingdom right now? Is He your King right now?

Pagans invented this notion that the soul is immortal; the scriptures support only God is immortal,

Scripture teaches that the souls of dead people have consciousness (Luke 16:19-31, Rev 6:9-11, Mark 9:1-4, Mark 12:26-27). Why are you dodging that point? You're not addressing anything I brought up. Why do you cherry pick certain scriptures while ignoring the rest? Are you afraid to address the scriptures I brought up that show the souls of people being alive?

Tell me, is God the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob right now? Keep in mind that He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

1 Timothy 6
16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

This verse does not support soul sleep. What this verse is saying is that God alone has always existed and always will. Human beings are created and are not immortal in the same sense that God is. Scripture only speaks of our bodies needing to be changed to put on immortality (1 Cor 15:35-54), not our souls and spirits.

Hebrews 9:27 establishes we are all appointed to die once, and after that, the judgment, which is developed in 1 Corinthians 15,

That does not mean people sleep after physically dying until the judgment. That means once people physically die there is nothing they can do to change their eternal destinies which will be announced by Christ in the day of judgment.

Tell me, why did Jesus portray people as having consciousness after bodily death in Luke 16:19-31 is that wasn't true?

Why are the souls of dead martyrs portrayed as having consciousness in Revelation 6:9-11 if they don't actually have consciousness?

How was Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah at His transfiguration if those who are physically dead have no consciousness?

1 Corinthians 15
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ…
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.

That is only speaking of the body. Do you not acknowledge what Paul taught, which is that we also have a soul and a spirit? Why do you ignore so much scripture?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Christ’s return coincides with judgment, AND THEN WE BECOME IMMORTAL, UNABLE TO DIE.

Bodily. Where does it say that about our souls and spirits?

So, if we die and are able to think as know what is happening then, we put on immortality then, and not when Christ returns. THOUGHT IS LIFE. We don’t have to wait till Jesus returns to live again according to such pagan notions. But death is the penalty for sin, and the RESURRECTION is the reward of LIFE, RULE, POWER, AND AUTHORITY to the overcomers in the age to come and before the eternal state begins.

Ecclesiastes 9
5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.

That passage is talking about no longer having consciousness "under the sun" which refers to our lives on the earth and says nothing about not having consciousness after we are no longer "under the sun". It's talking about them no longer being able to love, hate, envy and so on like they did while living their lives on earth under the sun. That does not mean they can't have consciousness where they go that is not under the sun (heaven or hell). You are missing the context of all of these scriptures.

 

[The Light]

And you won't see a number of which beast king the Rev.17:8 verse is speaking of, and I made that point in my earlier post. So would you like to try again to understand what I actually wrote?

In that Rev.17:8 verse, what descriptor about that beast king is... actually given there in that that verse?? The descriptor of that one will ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition of the lake of fire. Can anyone claim that is about a flesh man ASCENDING out of the bottomless pit?? And sorry Nimrod being resurrected or cloned just ain't... gonna' work.

I got a pretty good idea you will find out soon that you are wrong on this. Unless you think the U.S. military was sent over to Iraq to find imaginary weapons of mass destruction.

And Jesus warning that the Messiah is not in the desert or in the secret chamber, which is the secret burial means nothing in your eyes.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

That "eighth" beast king would not exist if it is only to be counted as one of the previous 7. You're not properly interpreting that 11th verse. That idea "and is of the seven" is pointing to the 8th beast's connection with those other 7 beast kings, in likeness. So we have to understand back to Rev.17:10 where John tells us 5 of those beast kings were history, and that "one is" meaning in John's day being the 6th one. Who do you think was 'behind' the working of those 6 beast kings of history? Satan himself; he influenced them to setup world empires, because that is exactly what he tried to do back when he first rebelled in the beginning (see Rev.12:3-4).

Actually, if you knew your stuff, you would realize that Nimrod is behind those kingdoms. Do you not understand that these kingdoms, were under the sun god. Nimrod is the Day Star, the sun.

In Egypt, Pharoh was god on earth, and Ra the sun god.
In Rome, Ceasar was god on earth and the Pope is Pontifex Maximus and god on earth...........under the sun.
Alexander the Great...........god on earth......named Pharoh and son of Ra

What did Hitler use as his symbol when trying to take over the world. The swastika and ancient sun sign.

There are signs in the sun, moon and stars that are everywhere. They are right in front of your face and yet you do not understand them.

But for this 7th beast king, we are given a specific descriptor that cannot... apply to any flesh beast king nor any flesh-born person. And that is how the 7th beast king "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition". That can only... be about Satan himself, and not anyone else.

The eighth king has to be one of the 7. Simple. Nimrod was the first king.