How many kingdoms in Daniel?

[Earburner]

Not something originating from the bible. Rev 13 introduces the sea beast but says it has 42 months to rule and does not describe any of this church-ianity fictional "ever evolving" nonsense

We all will find out very soon, that the Composite Sea beast with 10 horns has been building under our feet and in our face for some time now, but incognito in it's brief manifestations, and yet the entire world is involved with its usury practices.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Earburner and Greetings covenantee,

It could be that you never investigated Dan. 8:14 thoroughly. Since that might be the case, I urge you to read the words in the Hebrew, so that you also don't become led astray by "the wisdom of men".

The evidence against your claim to Spirit guidance is clear. You preach wrong teaching on both of these items.

The OT covenants and promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

The promises made to Abraham are the New Covenant and these were confirmed by the death and resurrection of Christ Galatians 3:8,16,26-29. The Old Covenant was given to Moses.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[ewq1938]

We all will find out very soon, that the Composite Sea beast with 10 horns has been building under our feet and in our face for some time now, but incognito in it's brief manifestations, and yet the entire world is involved with its usury practices.

It can't last more than 42 months. All false doctrine ignores what the bible says.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 

[ewq1938]

My faith and understanding is not of church-ianity, aka "the leaven" of today's Pharisees, by "the wisdom of men".

Wrong. You preach "the leaven" of today's Pharisees, by "the wisdom of men" which is church-ianity. I showed you were wrong using the verb tense the bible uses and you declared it could be interpreted in a way that fully ignores the verb tense. That is a Pharisaical way to handle (mishandle) the scriptures.

 

[Earburner]

The evidence against your claim to Spirit guidance is clear. You preach wrong teaching on both of these items.

I was polite to excuse you of possible over sights, but it appears that my counsel was 100% "troddened down" at the wayside.
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So then, you see nothing of the "2300 day prophecy" as being completely fulfilled, given the historical account of 1 Maccabees chs. 1-6? Even though the Hebrew words in Daniel reveal that the 2300 day prophecy is described as being LITERAL DAYS?

There is no direct instruction anywhere for anyone to convert the 2300 day prophecy into years!!
And you think that I am preaching a WRONG teaching??
I should warn you of falling into the ditch, but it's too late. It appears that you already have been bought and paid for through "the wisdom of men". 1 Cor. 2:5.

 

[covenantee]

The promises made to Abraham are the New Covenant and these were confirmed by the death and resurrection of Christ Galatians 3:8,16,26-29. The Old Covenant was given to Moses.

Hi Trevor; I concur with your comments and don't see any conflict with mine. The New Covenant/Testament promises were made to Abraham, and to his seed Christ, and to all who place their faith in Christ, per the Galatians verses you referenced. The promises came into full force and effect upon the death of Christ the Testator. (Hebrews 9:15-17).

Blessings.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Earburner,

There is no direct instruction anywhere for anyone to convert the 2300 day prophecy into years!!

I suggest that Jesus is quoting and alluding to Daniel and the 2300 in the following:
Daniel 8:13–14 (KJV): 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Luke 21:20–24 (KJV): 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The above requires the day for a year principle which is applicable to many of the prophecies.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Earburner]

Wrong. You preach "the leaven" of today's Pharisees, by "the wisdom of men" which is church-ianity. I showed you were wrong using the verb tense the bible uses and you declared it could be interpreted in a way that fully ignores the verb tense. That is a Pharisaical way to handle (mishandle) the scriptures.

Lol! Right now in time, it is the present, but soon after I said it, now it's the past, and the future is still coming just as fast, becoming present, and just as soon again, its the past.

Q. In the day of Jesus' sudden return in flaming fire, when is when??
A. Immediately!!
It's a simultaneous event....suddenly.

KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

 

[Earburner]

Greetings again Earburner,

I suggest that Jesus is quoting and alluding to Daniel and the 2300 in the following:
Daniel 8:13–14 (KJV): 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Luke 21:20–24 (KJV): 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The above requires the day for a year principle which is applicable to many of the prophecies.

Kind regards
Trevor

Sorry Trevor, it doesn't apply to Luke 21:24.
There is no difference between Jew and Gentile. All have equal opportunity of God's saving Grace through faith in Christ. The Jews are as equally lost as any Gentile who has neglected and/or rejected the Gospel of Christ. There are no special favors or additional time offered to anyone after Jesus returns in flaming fire. Luke 17:28-30.

 

[ewq1938]

Lol! Right now in time, it is the present, but soon after I said it, now it's the past, and the future is still coming just as fast, becoming present, and just as soon again, its the past.

Q. In the day of Jesus' sudden return in flaming fire, when is when??
A. Immediately!!
It's a simultaneous event....suddenly.

KJV 2 Thes. 1:7-10
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
[10] When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Verse 9 does not take place at the second coming of verse 7. Amill has to deny what is written so it can create it's own narrative. All false doctrines make changes to the text like this. That's how one is able to discern false doctrines from the true.

 

[Earburner]

The promises made to Abraham are the New Covenant and these were confirmed by the death and resurrection of Christ Galatians 3:8,16,26-29. The Old Covenant was given to Moses.

The distinction between the two mothers** of each Jerusalem is clearly shown in Gal. 4:21-31. That Jerusalem which now is, is in bondage with her children and was cast out, whereas the Jerusalem that is above and is free, is the mother of us all, who are of faith in Jesus.
Upon Jesus return from Heaven, He IS NOT COMING to that Jerusalem which "is fallen".

**Note: in all of the NT scriptures, there are only two prophetic "mothers" that are spoken of: Jerusalem which now is, and Jerusalem that is above and is free.
Both are "great cities", but in Rev., we are to use discernment as to which one is being mentioned, and how they are mentioned.

The only Promise that has been ordained by God from the OC., is the Promise of Christ who was to come. Through faith in Him, that is the promise that Israel was to be looking for, but they missed the time of their visitation.
Luke 19
[41] And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
[42] Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
[43] For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
[44] And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

So then, is Israel altogether LOST?
Except for a remnant, who do come to God through faith in Christ, the answer is YES, the majority are LOST!!
Under the NC. there is now no difference between Jew and Gentile. Through faith in Christ, Jews are equally saved as any Gentile, but are as equally lost as any Gentile, who have not become a NEW creature [creation] in Christ Jesus. For all of such, Rom. 8:9 fully applies.
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit [Mind] of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Earburner]

Verse 9 does not take place at the second coming of verse 7. Amill has to deny what is written so it can create it's own narrative. All false doctrines make changes to the text like this. That's how one is able to discern false doctrines from the true.

I'm sorry to hear, that you don't comprehend the word "when", that describes the singular Day of Jesus' Glorious return from Heaven in flaming fire, "when" he comes to be glorified in his saints , in the same Day of everyone's "visitation".

It is evident to me that you have sold yourself out to the different Jesus of Premillennalism, based on "the wisdom of men", of where your faith should NOT stand.
1 Cor. 2:5.

 

[Earburner]

Verse 9 does not take place at the second coming of verse 7. Amill has to deny what is written so it can create it's own narrative. All false doctrines make changes to the text like this. That's how one is able to discern false doctrines from the true.

If you can't understand the words "same day" in the context of Luke 17:28-30, then you are not knowing that Lot left Sodom in the morning, and traveled all night, reaching his destination at the next sun rise (24 hours), seeing the smoke of burning in Sodom. You are denying the direct witness of Jesus.

Even Abraham gave personal witness to its destruction. Gen. 19:15-29.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Earburner,

Upon Jesus return from Heaven, He IS NOT COMING to that Jerusalem which "is fallen".

When Jesus returns he will convert a significant remnant of the nation of Israel and they will become the first dominion of the Kingdom of God. Jesus will rule over them upon the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem.

Micah 4:1-8 (KJV): 1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;

7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Earburner]

Hi Trevor; I concur with your comments and don't see any conflict with mine. The New Covenant/Testament promises were made to Abraham, and to his seed Christ, and to all who place their faith in Christ, per the Galatians verses you referenced. The promises came into full force and effect upon the death of Christ the Testator. (Hebrews 9:15-17).

Blessings.

Yes, the promises to Abraham are made to be a reality, but to only those who are members of the Jerusalem above, which is free, the mother of us all, being all who are of faith in the Messiah that came, and who is to come again from Heaven, in all His Immortal Glory.

Greetings again Earburner,

When Jesus returns he will convert a significant remnant of the nation of Israel and they will become the first dominion of the Kingdom of God. Jesus will rule over them upon the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem.

In the Day that Jesus suddenly returns in flaming fire, it will be TOO LATE for anyone to repent and become born again by the Holy Spirit. All who do NOT have the Spirit of Christ, UPON the singular Day of His return will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth, to suddenly discover that they are none of His. Rom. 8:8-9.

Micah 4:1-8 (KJV): 1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

That mountain of the house of the LORD, is the Glorified Jesus Himself, having God the Father Himself, within His Immortal body.
The Spirit of God does not dwell within "houses" made with hands

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Yes, most certainly! The Word of the LORD has gone forth to all the nations. We all know of it as being the Gospel of Christ Himself.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

That is absolutely true for ALL born again Christians, who do walk in the Holy Spirit.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

Again, absolutely true! Born again Christians do not have the spirit of fear.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

I agree! It's been taking place ever since Jesus Ascended and gave gifts to men.

6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted;

Is it not so, that in THAT day of His return, every saved Christian will be glorified after His likeness of His Immortality?

7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.

All born again Christians ARE those people (that holy nation) whom the Lord reigns over.

8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

The "daughter of Jerusalem", the Jerusalem which now is, and is "in bondage with HER children", begged Pilate to crucify their Messiah/Savior, and then did call for His blood to be on them and their children.
Yes, they did not know the time of their visitation, and still do suffer the results of it to this day.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Earburner,

In the Day that Jesus suddenly returns in flaming fire, it will be TOO LATE for anyone to repent and become born again by the Holy Spirit. All who do NOT have the Spirit of Christ, UPON the singular Day of His return will be wailing and the gnashing of teeth, to suddenly discover that they are none of His.

I believe that when Jesus returns he will convert a significant remnant of the present mortal nation and he will also subject and educate the nations as per Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:1-3. I appreciate that your perspective is popular in some quarters, but I believe in the future Kingdom of God upon the earth centred in literal Jerusalem.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[covenantee]

I believe that when Jesus returns he will convert a significant remnant of the present mortal nation

Hi Trevor; how will God decide whom to select for conversion? What will His selection criteria be?

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again covenantee,

how will God decide whom to select for conversion? What will His selection criteria be?

Romans 11:25–36 (KJV): 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorHL]

Seeing we are on the subject of Daniel, I like the following caricature for the leaflet advertising our SS Prize Afternoon next Sunday. The children really enjoy participating in this play and music.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[covenantee]

Greetings again covenantee,

Romans 11:25–36 (KJV): 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Kind regards
Trevor

Acts 10
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Blessings.