Babylon

[Davy]

You have to agree, Revelation 17:2 tells us Babylon as already fornicated with the kings of the earth at the time the eighth king WAS, AND IS NOT, and the sixth king IS.

As stated above, Revelation 13 affirms it’s the sea beast that is wounded, it has a WAS, AND IS NOT state, exactly what Revelation 17 reveals.

One doesn’t have to make up foolish fables like preterism and futurism to know Revelation 13 and 17 are in chronological order.

Futurism has little appreciation for history and the OT.

No Jerry, you got those Rev.17:8-11 verses all mixed up.

five kings that are fallen = previous beast empires, NOT all Roman.

the one is, 6th beast king in John's day = Roman emperor Domitian, A.D. 96 when Apostle John was prisoner on the Isle of Patmos. That evidence of Domitian as emperor of that time of John from the early Church fathers also.

the 7th beast king = John said is not yet. That can only be for the final beast empire of the feet of ten toes of part iron and part clay that is to include all... those previous beast statue pieces into one world beast kingdom that will manifest only in the generation that will see Jesus' future return. This per the end of Daniel 2. That is the requirement, because all 5 pieces of the beast statue Neb was shown are to be 'together' at the end when that "stone" (Jesus) comes to smite that beast upon its feet, and the whole beast come tumbling down. And then Christ's literal physical Kingdom over all nations is then setup on earth.

That 7th beast king is pointing to the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition ("lake of fire"). That's about Satan coming at the end as the final Antichrist. Satan also will be the 8th beast king for after Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Rev.20.

 

[The Light]

That 7th beast king is pointing to the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition ("lake of fire"). That's about Satan coming at the end as the final Antichrist. Satan also will be the 8th beast king for after Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Rev.20.

Satan cannot be the final Antichrist. The final Antichrist was and is not. He is the eighth and is of the seven.

The final Antichrist has to be of the seven.

The final Antichrist is Nimrod. That which has been, is that which shall be. And that which is done is that which shall be done. And there is no new thing under the sun.

Already time to run Davy.

 

[Davy]

Satan cannot be the final Antichrist. The final Antichrist was and is not. He is the eighth and is of the seven.

The final Antichrist has to be of the seven.

The final Antichrist is Nimrod. That which has been, is that which shall be. And that which is done is that which shall be done. And there is no new thing under the sun.

Already time to run Davy.

You mind is all over... the place. You are not staying focused.

Nimrod was a historical figure, long... goneeeee... no more.

NO FLESH MAN ascends out of the bottomless and eventually perishes in the lake of fire. That fits ONLY Satan the devil, and no flesh man. So Jesus showed you through His Apostle John in that Revelation 17 chapter. It's up to you to listen to Him in His Word there, and not to all sorts of fancy silly notions from men's doctrines, like that Nimrod as the final Antichrist idea, that's really a choice delusion, that is.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Evasion.

Name, date, verbatim quote of any recognized Reformation premil during the Reformation, which ended circa 1648.

First, your dictates are obviously from hubris and ignorance. My time it too valuable to entertain; do your own homework. I’ll just provide one citation from a Historicist and premillennialist, Joseph Mede (1586-1638),

The fiflh phial is to be poured out on the throne or seat of the beast; that is, on Rome itself. (A translation of Mede's Clavis apocalyptica, by R.B. Cooper by Joseph Mede, 1833, page 427) [1]

As to further evidence, I’ll just let Wiki educate you,

A notable exception to normative medieval eschatology is found in Joachim of Fiore (c. 1135–1202), a Cistercian monk, who to an extent, stressed premillennial themes…​

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Contrarily, certain Anabaptists, Huguenots, and Bohemian Brethren were premillennial. Michael Servetus taught a chiliastic view, though he was denounced by the Reformers as a heretic and executed in Geneva under Calvin's authority.[41] A few in the mainstream accepted it, such as Joseph Mede (1586–1638)[42] and possibly Hugh Latimer (died 1555),[43] but it was never a conventional belief throughout the period…​

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Premillennialism experienced a revival among 17th century Puritans like Thomas Brightman, Joseph Mede, and others.[44] Although they were not premillennial, the English theologian Daniel Whitby (1688–1726), the German Johann Albrecht Bengel (1687–1752), and the American Jonathan Edwards (1703–58) "fueled millennial ideas with new influence in the nineteenth century."[45] It was authors such as these who concluded that the decline of the Roman Catholic Church would make way for the conversion and restoration of the nation of Israel. Edwards taught that a type of Millennium would occur "1260 years after A.D. 606 when Rome was recognized as having universal authority."[46] His Puritan contemporaries, Increase Mather and Cotton Mather, openly proclaimed a belief in a literal millennium. Increase Mather wrote "That which presseth me so, as that I cannot gainsay the Chiliastical opinion, is that I take these things for Principles, and no way doubt but that they are demonstrable. 1. That the thousand apocalyptical years are not passed but future. 2. That the coming of Christ to raise the dead and to judge the earth will be within much less than this thousand years. 3. That the conversion of the Jews will not be till this present state of the world is near unto its end. 4. That, after the Jews' conversion there will be a glorious day for the elect upon earth, and that this day shall be a very long continuance."[47]…​

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Between 1790 and the mid-19th century, premillennialism was a popular view among English Evangelicals, even within the Anglican church. Thomas Macaulay observed this and wrote "Many Christians believe that the Messiah will shortly establish a kingdom on the earth, and visibly reign over all its inhabitants."[48] Throughout the 19th century, premillennialism continued to gain wider acceptance in both the US and in Britain, particularly among the Irvingites,[49] Plymouth Brethren, Christadelphians,[50] Church of God, Christian Israelite Church.[51] Wikipedia, s.v., Premillennialism [2]​

As I stated, Premillennialism has supplanted amill, and I will add, only because the ecclesiocracy of the papacy was wounded by Protestantism. Premillennialism could not have made a come-back if the temporal powers of the papacy had remained, because through its blasphemous power it commanded temporal magistrates to dictate man’s duty to God, which is Christ’s alone. Such blasphemous coveting of power is what made it the antichrist,

Revelation 13
6 It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

Did the institutionalization of amil somehow transform it from truth into apostate untruth?

Apostasizing Rome believed in the truth of the existence of God.
Therefore, they institutionalized that truth.
Therefore, their institutionalization of that truth transformed it into apostate untruth.

Such is your cultic illogic.

It was you who brought up the INSTITUTIONALIZED APOSTATIZING ROMANISM!

I would add, blasphemous institutionalized apostatizing Romanism. It’s no coincidence that amills supplanted the Chiliast at behest of the powers that be, the apostatizing Roman influence.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Why do you have so much trouble answering simple questions? I'm not talking about that, I'm asking you if you believe that we are in Christ's kingdom now that did not come with observation, is not of this world and "is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit"? Yes or no?

For those with eyes to see and ears to listen, I have already answered the question. Christ is not seated on his throne and THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is the fulfillment of God’s plan to plant Israel and Judah in the earth to bring in the Gentiles. Christ returns to sit on his throne (Matthew 25:31, 16:27, 19:28, 24:46-47, Luke 12:35-44, 19:11-27; and Revelation 2:25-26, 3:21, 11:18, 22:12).

The word soul can refer to the whole person or a part of the person. We have a soul, spirit and body (1 Thessalonians 5:23). You are terribly deceived just like the rest who believe in the doctrine of soul sleep.

Mark 13:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Tel me, Jerry, is God the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? He is, of course, right? He is also the God of the living. So, He can only be their God if they are alive since He is not the God of the dead. Believing in soul sleep means that you do not believe that God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Ye therefore do greatly err.

Mark 9:1 After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. 3 His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. 4 And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus.

Tell me, if the dead are sleeping, as you believe, does that mean Elijah and Moses were just talking to Jesus in their sleep at His transfiguration? LOL.

Pagans invented this notion that the soul is immortal; the scriptures support only God is immortal,

1 Timothy 6
16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

Hebrews 9:27 establishes we are all appointed to die once, and after that, the judgment, which is developed in 1 Corinthians 15,

1 Corinthians 15
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ…
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.

Christ’s return coincides with judgment, AND THEN WE BECOME IMMORTAL, UNABLE TO DIE. So, if we die and are able to think as know what is happening then, we put on immortality then, and not when Christ returns. THOUGHT IS LIFE. We don’t have to wait till Jesus returns to live again according to such pagan notions. But death is the penalty for sin, and the RESURRECTION is the reward of LIFE, RULE, POWER, AND AUTHORITY to the overcomers in the age to come and before the eternal state begins.

Ecclesiastes 9
5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Because Apostle John compared the 6th beast king as the one that was ruling in his day, that being the Roman emperor Domitian, then that means the previous 5 beast kings were those of previous world empires, most likely Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia, Egypt, Assyria (not necessarily in that order). And John does not specifically say there in Rev.17:10. The 6th king in John's day still serves as the anchor for that idea in that particular verse.

Rev 17:10
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

To understand about "the other" beast king John mentions, a 7th beast king, got to go back up to previous 8th verse... and then to the Rev.17:11 verse...

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Per Revelation 11:7, that beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit to kill God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem at the end of this world during the time of "great tribulation" just prior to Lord Jesus' coming on the 7th Trumpet. That's about Satan himself as that 7th beast king. That idea that he "was", and "is not", and "shall ascend..." is a pointer to Satan, because he was once exalted in God's Garden before he fell, and thus "was", and God ended Satan's rebellion and Satan "is not", meaning no longer exalted, and yet Satan "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" but later at the very end after Christ's future 1,000 years reign Satan will go into "perdition" into the "lake of fire". Therefore, there's your FINAL ANTICHRIST for the end of this PRESENT WORLD, Satan himself disguised as an angel of light, as he is coming to earth in our earthly dimension to work great signs, wonders, and miracles that will deceive the whole world (except Christ's elect).

That phrase "and is of the seven" means Satan was behind the working of all of those 7 beast kings. But with "even he is the eighth" is showing you that will be about Satan in that final 8th beast king role also, which will occur after Christ's future 1,000 years reign per the Rev.20:7-9 Scripture. Satan will be loosed then one final time to go deceive the nations into going up against the "camp of the saints" on earth, which will be that 8th beast king role he will play.

Some might be thinking, well since the previous 5 beast kings, and the 6th one in Apostle John's day, were all flesh born kings, then the 7th and 8th beast kings must also be flesh born men. Not so simply because those Rev.17 verses gave us a very strong clue as to who this next 7th beast king will be, because of the mention of his ascending from the bottomless pit and eventually goes into perdition ("lake of fire"). That's about Satan who is the 'king' and angel over the bottomless pit per Rev.9.

Another clue is that as of today, ONLY Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire". No flesh born man has been judged to perish yet today. Not even Judas Iscariot has been judged to perish yet, whom Lord Jesus called a "son of perdition". That Judgment won't happen until after Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Revelation 20. That means that idea about the beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition can ONLY apply to Satan himself, and not some flesh pope, etc.

It's not the 7th king that WAS, IS NOT, according to the Chapter.

You aren’t able to see ITS the scarlet beast WAS, IS NOT, which numbers with the fallen five,

Revelation 17
3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns…
8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to rise from the bottomless pit and go to destruction.

You fail to note, each fallen king WAS, AND IS NOT in verses 9-11, which MAKES THE SCARLET BEAST ONE OF THE FIVE THAT HAD FALLEN.

Tell us, if the sixth king that IS, was the Roman Emperor, how can this future MAN OF SIN have lived before the Romans Empire; the Chapter says the scarlet beast WAS before the Roman Empire? Again, the Chapter says the scarlet beast that WAS, AND IS NOT at that time you say the sixth king stands-for the Roman Empire. How can your antichrist have lived before Roman Empire? It can’t be Satan, because he WAS before all the kings, not just one. Tell us, HOW IS IT that your antichrist WAS, AND IS NOT at the time of the Roman Empire? He’s one of the five that were fallen. If you can’t grasp by now that you have no command of the symbolism of the seven, nay eight kings, you may never get it!!!!!!!

Futurists hold the antichrist is an individual, which is inconsistent with their view the other kings represent kingdoms, like in Assyria and etc. If they all represent kingdoms except the last one, they introduce inconsistency that’s unwarranted.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Because Apostle John compared the 6th beast king as the one that was ruling in his day, that being the Roman emperor Domitian, then that means the previous 5 beast kings were those of previous world empires, most likely Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia, Egypt, Assyria (not necessarily in that order). And John does not specifically say there in Rev.17:10. The 6th king in John's day still serves as the anchor for that idea in that particular verse.

Rev 17:10
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

To understand about "the other" beast king John mentions, a 7th beast king, got to go back up to previous 8th verse... and then to the Rev.17:11 verse...

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Per Revelation 11:7, that beast will ascend out of the bottomless pit to kill God's "two witnesses" in Jerusalem at the end of this world during the time of "great tribulation" just prior to Lord Jesus' coming on the 7th Trumpet. That's about Satan himself as that 7th beast king. That idea that he "was", and "is not", and "shall ascend..." is a pointer to Satan, because he was once exalted in God's Garden before he fell, and thus "was", and God ended Satan's rebellion and Satan "is not", meaning no longer exalted, and yet Satan "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" but later at the very end after Christ's future 1,000 years reign Satan will go into "perdition" into the "lake of fire". Therefore, there's your FINAL ANTICHRIST for the end of this PRESENT WORLD, Satan himself disguised as an angel of light, as he is coming to earth in our earthly dimension to work great signs, wonders, and miracles that will deceive the whole world (except Christ's elect).

That phrase "and is of the seven" means Satan was behind the working of all of those 7 beast kings. But with "even he is the eighth" is showing you that will be about Satan in that final 8th beast king role also, which will occur after Christ's future 1,000 years reign per the Rev.20:7-9 Scripture. Satan will be loosed then one final time to go deceive the nations into going up against the "camp of the saints" on earth, which will be that 8th beast king role he will play.

Some might be thinking, well since the previous 5 beast kings, and the 6th one in Apostle John's day, were all flesh born kings, then the 7th and 8th beast kings must also be flesh born men. Not so simply because those Rev.17 verses gave us a very strong clue as to who this next 7th beast king will be, because of the mention of his ascending from the bottomless pit and eventually goes into perdition ("lake of fire"). That's about Satan who is the 'king' and angel over the bottomless pit per Rev.9.

Another clue is that as of today, ONLY Satan and his angels have already been judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire". No flesh born man has been judged to perish yet today. Not even Judas Iscariot has been judged to perish yet, whom Lord Jesus called a "son of perdition". That Judgment won't happen until after Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Revelation 20. That means that idea about the beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition can ONLY apply to Satan himself, and not some flesh pope, etc.

Yes, John says the seventh hasn’t come yet. What you don’t see is the one that IS represents the sixth, who you say is Rome in John’s time. But the beast who is the antichrist and the eighth WAS, AND IS NOT from the perspective of Rome in John’s time, according to your interpretation, again. Tell us, HOW IS IT that your antichrist WAS, AND IS NOT at the time of the Roman Empire?

All this because you can’t see that the eighth king is FALLEN at the time the SIXTH KING IS!!!!!!!

 

[covenantee]

Premillennialism experienced a revival among 17th century Puritans like Thomas Brightman, Joseph Mede, and others.[44] Although they were not premillennial, the English theologian Daniel Whitby (1688–1726), the German Johann Albrecht Bengel (1687–1752), and the American Jonathan Edwards (1703–58) "fueled millennial ideas with new influence in the nineteenth century."[45] It was authors such as these who concluded that the decline of the Roman Catholic Church would make way for the conversion and restoration of the nation of Israel. Edwards taught that a type of Millennium would occur "1260 years after A.D. 606 when Rome was recognized as having universal authority."[46] His Puritan contemporaries, Increase Mather and Cotton Mather, openly proclaimed a belief in a literal millennium. Increase Mather wrote "That which presseth me so, as that I cannot gainsay the Chiliastical opinion, is that I take these things for Principles, and no way doubt but that they are demonstrable. 1. That the thousand apocalyptical years are not passed but future. 2. That the coming of Christ to raise the dead and to judge the earth will be within much less than this thousand years. 3. That the conversion of the Jews will not be till this present state of the world is near unto its end. 4. That, after the Jews' conversion there will be a glorious day for the elect upon earth, and that this day shall be a very long continuance."[47]…

List of Protestant Reformers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not one of your names appears in the List of Protestant Reformers.

Wiki failed to educate you.

 

[The Light]

You mind is all over... the place. You are not staying focused.

Nimrod was a historical figure, long... goneeeee... no more.

Nimrod was the first king. He is the king of Babylon and the Assyrian.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

NO FLESH MAN ascends out of the bottomless and eventually perishes in the lake of fire. That fits ONLY Satan the devil, and no flesh man.

There are 7 kings. The beast is the eighth king and is of the 7. So which one of the 7 kings was Satan?

So Jesus showed you through His Apostle John in that Revelation 17 chapter. It's up to you to listen to Him in His Word there, and not to all sorts of fancy silly notions from men's doctrines, like that Nimrod as the final Antichrist idea, that's really a choice delusion, that is.

I saw what Jesus said. He said don't believe them when they say the Messiah is in the desert in the secret chamber. Satan will not be in the desert in the secret chamber. Nimrod will be. The tomb of Gilgamesh, who is Nimrod was found in 2003. One week later we were in Iraq searching for those imaginary weapons of mass destruction. How many mummy movies do they have to make before the light goes on?

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[Davy]

Yes, John says the seventh hasn’t come yet. What you don’t see is the one that IS represents the sixth, who you say is Rome in John’s time. But the beast who is the antichrist and the eighth WAS, AND IS NOT from the perspective of Rome in John’s time, according to your interpretation, again. Tell us, HOW IS IT that your antichrist WAS, AND IS NOT at the time of the Roman Empire?

I disagree, the 6th beast king that was in John's day was the Roman emperor Domitian, which was documented by one of the early Church fathers. The 7th beast king, which John said was not yet, is for the very end of this present world which has not yet come even today. So how could that 7th beast be about the era of Apostle John at Patmos in 96 A.D.? Do the math, your idea just does not work.

Furthermore, we know per the SIGNS Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse, that the final generation on earth is who will see that final 7th beast king Antichrist, because the final one for this present world must come in the era when Jesus' 2nd coming happens.

And still furthermore, that final 7th beast king, the Antichrist for the end of this present world, is to setup the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in Jerusalem for the end of this world, just prior to Christ's future coming to destroy that Antichrist. That is what Lord Jesus revealed in His Olivet discourse and also Paul in 2 Thess.2, and Jesus again through John in Revelation 16 & 19. Why does when the setting up of that AOD matter?

It matters because no such event has ever happened in Jerusalem since the 2nd temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D., and the placing of the AOD Idol requires a standing traditional Jewish temple in Jerusalem to fulfill that Matthew 24:15 prophecy Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel. According to the Jewish historian Josephus, the 2nd temple burned down from inside when the Roman army tried to seize it. So they did not place the "abomination of desolation" idol in false worship like Daniel 11 prophecy requires which Jesus quoted to happen at the end of this world.

Only since 1948, when Israel became a nation again, have orthodox Jews in Jerusalem been planning and gathering materials to build their future 3rd temple in Jerusalem. Today they even have the cornerstone cut, and have even tried to place it on the temple mount a few years ago (the Israeli police stopped them, because the temple mount has been given to the Muslims' control per U.N. agreement.)


You are not understanding the Rev.17:8 idea of that beast ascending out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition can ONLY mean Satan himself...

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

 

[Davy]

It's not the 7th king that WAS, IS NOT, according to the Chapter.

Rev.17:8 does not tell us what 'number' of beast king that verse is describing.

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

Do you see a number 5, 6, 7, or 8 there above? I don't.

But what we DO... see is that descriptor - "and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:". That cannot be about anyone other than Satan himself, for he is the "king" and angel of the bottomless pit per Revelation 9:11.

That means one MUST... apply that "was, and is not;" phrase to Satan himself. And WHEN does he ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT per God's Word? I showed you already...

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV

So what's your problem. You aren't having difficulty reading that above are you?

 

[Davy]

Nimrod was the first king. He is the king of Babylon and the Assyrian.

Revelation 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

There are 7 kings. The beast is the eighth king and is of the 7. So which one of the 7 kings was Satan?

I saw what Jesus said. He said don't believe them when they say the Messiah is in the desert in the secret chamber. Satan will not be in the desert in the secret chamber. Nimrod will be. The tomb of Gilgamesh, who is Nimrod was found in 2003. One week later we were in Iraq searching for those imaginary weapons of mass destruction. How many mummy movies do they have to make before the light goes on?

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Nah... you're just as confused as Jerry is on that. For Nimrod to be the final Antichrist he would have be resurrected from the dead! But some PAGANS actually do think that is possible, but not those in Christ Jesus; those in Christ know better.

 

[The Light]

Nah... you're just as confused as Jerry is on that. For Nimrod to be the final Antichrist he would have be resurrected from the dead! But some PAGANS actually do think that is possible, but not those in Christ Jesus; those in Christ know better.

Ever heard of cloning?

The verses are proof that the King of Babylon is Nimrod. He was and is not and will come again.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

 

[Davy]

Ever heard of cloning?

The verses are proof that the King of Babylon is Nimrod. He was and is not and will come again.

You need to grow up, and stop believing those teenage fantasies.

 

[The Light]

You need to grow up, and stop believing those teenage fantasies.

So, you couldn't answer as which of the 7th kings that Satan was. Of course this proves that you are incorrect........as usual. Your belief also would mean that Satan died. When did that happen?

And you never were able to answer how it is possible for the angels to fall from heaven after the tribulation when you claim the wrath of God is the great tribulation. This of course destroys your entire end times scenario. Is there anything that you have correct regarding end times? Have you thought about playing golf instead? It's grown-up game.

 

[Davy]

So, you couldn't answer as which of the 7th kings that Satan was.

I did show it, you just don't care to actually read my posts, but instead just like to try and attack one's credibility.

Well good luck with that, since others that actually do... read what I post well know I give Bible Scripture proof of what I teach.

 

[The Light]

So, you couldn't answer as which of the 7th kings that Satan was. Of course this proves that you are incorrect........as usual. Your belief also would mean that Satan died. When did that happen?

Well Davy, for once you are correct. I did not read your post because I did not see the posts. You notice that I did not address them. So I will read them and see what you got.

 

[The Light]

I disagree, the 6th beast king that was in John's day was the Roman emperor Domitian, which was documented by one of the early Church fathers. The 7th beast king, which John said was not yet, is for the very end of this present world which has not yet come even today. So how could that 7th beast be about the era of Apostle John at Patmos in 96 A.D.? Do the math, your idea just does not work.

Where did I say the 7th king has come? He hasn't. The seventh king is the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6.

Furthermore, we know per the SIGNS Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse, that the final generation on earth is who will see that final 7th beast king Antichrist, because the final one for this present world must come in the era when Jesus' 2nd coming happens.

I agree. The generation that sees the fig tree bloom will not pass away until all the things listed in Matthew 24 are completed.

And still furthermore, that final 7th beast king, the Antichrist for the end of this present world, is to setup the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in Jerusalem for the end of this world, just prior to Christ's future coming to destroy that Antichrist. That is what Lord Jesus revealed in His Olivet discourse and also Paul in 2 Thess.2, and Jesus again through John in Revelation 16 & 19. Why does when the setting up of that AOD matter?

It matters because no such event has ever happened in Jerusalem since the 2nd temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D., and the placing of the AOD Idol requires a standing traditional Jewish temple in Jerusalem to fulfill that Matthew 24:15 prophecy Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel. According to the Jewish historian Josephus, the 2nd temple burned down from inside when the Roman army tried to seize it. So they did not place the "abomination of desolation" idol in false worship like Daniel 11 prophecy requires which Jesus quoted to happen at the end of this world.

Only since 1948, when Israel became a nation again, have orthodox Jews in Jerusalem been planning and gathering materials to build their future 3rd temple in Jerusalem. Today they even have the cornerstone cut, and have even tried to place it on the temple mount a few years ago (the Israeli police stopped them, because the temple mount has been given to the Muslims' control per U.N. agreement.)


You are not understanding the Rev.17:8 idea of that beast ascending out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition can ONLY mean Satan himself...

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

Most of the above I agree with. However, Satan is not the eighth king that is of the seven. That would be Nimrod as we can prove WITH ANY DOUBT when we understand these verses.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

 

[Davy]

Well Davy, for once you are correct. I did not read your post because I did not see the posts. You notice that I did not address them. So I will read them and see what you got.

I've been correct a lot more times than once. And that because of my staying with what is actually 'written' in God's Word. And I could not do that without God's help through His Son and by The Holy Spirit.

 

[Davy]

Where did I say the 7th king has come? He hasn't. The seventh king is the rider on the white horse in Revelation 6.

You need to read more... because I wrote that to Jerry, not to YOU.

So you need to actually reference what I did write, and not what you THOUGHT I wrote.

I agree. The generation that sees the fig tree bloom will not pass away until all the things listed in Matthew 24 are completed.

Yeah, and that means that has to be the LAST generation on earth that will 'see' Christ's future coming.

Most of the above I agree with. However, Satan is not the eighth king that is of the seven. That would be Nimrod as we can prove WITH ANY DOUBT when we understand these verses.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Nope! Those Isaiah 14 verses are about LUCIFER...

Isa 14:12-15
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
KJV

The original Hebrew word there is 'heylel' which means 'morning star', but the KJV translators made that "Lucifer" so one would not be confused as to whom God was actually talking about there. In the 1st edition 1611 KJV Bible, the translators have an alternate reading in the side margin of that text of "O Day Starre", just so we'd know they put "Lucifer" in there on purpose, and not by mistake.

Thus the REAL symbolic "king of Babylon", and "the Assyrian", and "king of Tyrus", which God uses as types, are about Satan himself, and not Nimrod.