Another Premillennial absurdity

[WPM]

Now you are calling the LORD & myself liars - this is a grievous sin on your part.

Prove anywhere where i denied that the Lord Jesus Christ is the First Resurrection

Not so. Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5). Nowhere does it call the future resurrection of the dead in Christ the first resurrection. That is your own invention.

 

[David in NJ]

Not so. Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5). Nowhere does it call the future resurrection of the dead in Christ the first resurrection. That is your own invention.

Jesus Christ is the Firstborn/ First Resurrectioni have ALWAYS said this to be TRUTH = where have you been???

 

[WPM]

Did i not post1 Thess 4:13-18 over and over again to you along with 1 Cor ch15

It is simple answer. You are obviously on the ropes here.

 

[David in NJ]

Not so. Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5). Nowhere does it call the future resurrection of the dead in Christ the first resurrection. That is your own invention.

You said: "Nowhere does it call the future resurrection of the dead in Christ the first resurrection."

JESUS said so = Revelation 2:10-11 , Rev 20:4-6

Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Look, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will suffer tribulation for ten days. Be faithful even unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who overcomes will not be harmed by the second death.

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

ALWAYS BELIEVE what our LORD Jesus Christ says to us.

 

[WPM]

i have ALWAYS said this to be TRUTH = where have you been???

But it is you that is calling the future resurrection of the dead in Christ as the first resurrection. The fact is: it has already happened. While we are spiritually and physically raised as a result of the first resurrection of Christ, the first resurrection was an actual literal physical historic event.

 

[David in NJ]

But it is you that is calling the future resurrection of the dead in Christ as the first resurrection. The fact is: it has already happened. While we are spiritually and physically raised as a result of the first resurrection of Christ, the first resurrection was an actual literal physical historic event.

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[WPM]

You said: "Nowhere does it call the future resurrection of the dead in Christ the first resurrection."

JESUS said so = Revelation 2:10-11 , Rev 20:4-6

Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Look, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will suffer tribulation for ten days. Be faithful even unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who overcomes will not be harmed by the second death.

Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

• Where in Revelation 2:10-11 does it even mention "the first resurrection"? You are obviously making it up as you go here.
• Rev 20:4-6 refers to the first resurrection of Christ - the only first resurrection in Scripture.

 

[WPM]

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So, like I thought, you have nothing to support your error then.

 

[David in NJ]

• Where in Revelation 2:10-11 does it even mention "the first resurrection"? You are obviously making it up as you go here.
• Rev 20:4-6 refers to the first resurrection of Christ - the only first resurrection in Scripture.

Take your time
Go to the Lord in Prayer
Read the Scripture to Him
Submit your heart/mind/soul unto Him
Allow the Holy Spirit to open you understanding up
You will SEE exactly what the Lord said in Rev 2:10-11

 

[David in NJ]

So, like I thought, you have nothing to support your error then.

Correct i have no error and therefore i do not support error

But i do expose it

 

[Timtofly]

LOL. You are a master at avoidance. You have obviously nothing to support your error. This sums up your theology. I will try again using your own words re the glorified. I totally understand why you will not answer because it exposes your whole theology.

1. So, according to you, turning your back on Jesus is not sin?
2. Embracing Satan and becoming a follower of him is not sin?
3. Mobilizing in Satan's army to destroy "the camp of the saints" is not sin?
4. Please show us one Scripture that teaches that believers in "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" marry and procreate on the earth after the second coming?

Isaiah 65. This is post Second Coming.

However you yourself refuse to see they are deceived after the Millennium, not during the Millennium.

 

[Timtofly]

The redeemed do not get their incorruptible bodies until Jesus comes. Multiple Scripture proves that.

Nope. Your interpretation adds that thought to God's Word. Scripture itself does not state that fact. You would have posted such Scripture.

 

[WPM]

Correct i have no error and therefore i do not support error

But i do expose it

You promote a doctrine that has zero corroboration elsewhere in Scripture. That is why you cannot support Scripture with Scripture. All you are left with is avoidance, chides and ad hominem. That seems to be the Premil way. I thought you were different.

 

[WPM]

Isaiah 65. This is post Second Coming.

However you yourself refuse to see they are deceived after the Millennium, not during the Millennium.

You obviously have nothing. Isa 65 refers to the new heavens and the new earth.

1. So, according to you, turning your back on Jesus is not sin?
2. Embracing Satan and becoming a follower of him is not sin?
3. Mobilizing in Satan's army to destroy "the camp of the saints" is not sin?
4. Please show us one Scripture that teaches that believers in "permanent incorruptible physical bodies" marry and procreate on the earth after the second coming?

 

[David in NJ]

You promote a doctrine that has zero corroboration elsewhere in Scripture. That is why you cannot support Scripture with Scripture. All you are left with is avoidance, chides and ad hominem. That seems to be the Premil way. I thought you were different.

All day long i have shown you Scripture upon Scripture of TRUTH

Why is it you cannot SEE - because you are holding unto a false teaching that directly denies the FIRST Resurrection of the Saints in Christ at His Second Coming = by you saying that it has already occurred.

 

[David in NJ]

Nope. Your interpretation adds that thought to God's Word. Scripture itself does not state that fact. You would have posted such Scripture.

In fact Scripture does say that = 1 Thess 4:13-18 & 1 Cor ch15

At the Second Coming of Christ is when the Saints recieve their NEW Incorruptable Bodies

 

[WPM]

All day long i have shown you Scripture upon Scripture of TRUTH

Why is it you cannot SEE - because you are holding unto a false teaching that directly denies the FIRST Resurrection of the Saints in Christ at His Second Coming = by you saying that it has already occurred.

1. There is nowhere in the Bible that describes the future physical resurrection as "the FIRST Resurrection of the Saints in Christ at His Second Coming." That belong in your Premil books. That is invented language.
2. How can you make the resurrection of the saints in Christ be "the first resurrection" when Scripture and commonsense tells you only Christ can fulfil that?
3. John is describing a current reality in Revelation 20:6. It says, “Blessed and holy is he ‘that hath part’ (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.” Our part in the first resurrection, shown throughout the Word to be Christ’s resurrection (Acts 26:23, Colossians 1:18, 1 Corinthians 15:20 and Revelation 1:5). This is supported by Revelation 2:11, which similarly says: “He that overcometh (present active particle) shall not be hurt of the second death.” Here is more proof that our escape from “the second death” is not future tense (as Premillennialists claim) but presence tense.
4. If the first resurrection is supposed to be the physical resurrection of believers at the Second Advent, and this is consequently the actual means by which one escapes the second death (eternal wrath), how can people be saved (and consequently avoid the second death) in a supposed future millennium?

 

[David in NJ]

1. There is nowhere in the Bible that describes the future physical resurrection as "the FIRST Resurrection of the Saints in Christ at His Second Coming." That belong in your Premil books. That is invented language.
2. How can you make the resurrection of the saints in Christ be "the first resurrection" when Scripture and commonsense tells you only Christ can fulfil that?
3. John is describing a current reality in Revelation 20:6. It says, “Blessed and holy is he ‘that hath part’ (present active particle) in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power.” Our part in the first resurrection, shown throughout the Word to be Christ’s resurrection (Acts 26:23, Colossians 1:18, 1 Corinthians 15:20 and Revelation 1:5). This is supported by Revelation 2:11, which similarly says: “He that overcometh (present active particle) shall not be hurt of the second death.” Here is more proof that our escape from “the second death” is not future tense (as Premillennialists claim) but presence tense.
4. If the first resurrection is supposed to be the physical resurrection of believers at the Second Advent, and this is consequently the actual means by which one escapes the second death (eternal wrath), how can people be saved (and consequently avoid the second death) in a supposed future millennium?

Last time i am doing this for you so pay attention:

1.) Future physical resurrection of the Saints = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John 3:1-3 , Rev 2:10-11 & Rev 20:4-6

2.) CHRIST is the FIRST Resurrection = HE is the FIRSTFRUITS of Many BRETHREN = 1 Cor ch15
The firstruits of many Brethren ARISE at His Second Coming

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
A.) For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be(future) made alive(physical resurrection-future)
B.) But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits(Now/Today); then at His coming(future), those who belong to Him.

HIS First Coming and His Second Coming are all inclusive of the FIRST Resurrection because it has TWO Distinct Parts
A.) Born-Again by the Spirit unto Eternal Life = only our spirit/soul , the physical body dies
B.) NEW Glorified Bodies given to the Saints ONLY at His Second Coming = First Resurrection Completed for the Saints

Your Point #4 is not precisely spoken of in the Scripture except that Christ has completed ALL Things in HIMSELF necessary for Salvation.

Have you ever heard the expression - "Don't get ahead of your self'

God tells us what is sufficient for us RIGHT NOW/TODAY = the FUTURE belongs to HIM and we have no control or say over it

Peace

 

[Timtofly]

But it is you that is calling the future resurrection of the dead in Christ as the first resurrection. The fact is: it has already happened. While we are spiritually and physically raised as a result of the first resurrection of Christ, the first resurrection was an actual literal physical historic event.

So now the first resurrection is physical, when it suits your point?

Which is it, physical or spiritual? It could be both, but you have constantly pointed out it is only spiritual. Now you finally agree with pre-mill it is physical?

Do you think Jesus was ever in jeopardy of facing the second death? That blessing can only apply to the redeemed. Not attributed to the redeemer. All in Christ have and will experience the first resurrection. It is the physical change from Adam's temporal tent to God's permanent incorruptible building, per 2 Corinthians 5:1.

 

[WPM]

Last time i am doing this for you so pay attention:

1.) Future physical resurrection of the Saints = 1 Thess 4:13-18 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 John 3:1-3 , Rev 2:10-11 & Rev 20:4-6

2.) CHRIST is the FIRST Resurrection = HE is the FIRSTFRUITS of Many BRETHREN = 1 Cor ch15
The firstruits of many Brethren ARISE at His Second Coming

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
A.) For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be(future) made alive(physical resurrection-future)
B.) But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits(Now/Today); then at His coming(future), those who belong to Him.

HIS First Coming and His Second Coming are all inclusive of the FIRST Resurrection because it has TWO Distinct Parts
A.) Born-Again by the Spirit unto Eternal Life = only our spirit/soul , the physical body dies
B.) NEW Glorified Bodies given to the Saints ONLY at His Second Coming = First Resurrection Completed for the Saints

Your Point #4 is not precisely spoken of in the Scripture except that Christ has completed ALL Things in HIMSELF necessary for Salvation.

Have you ever heard the expression - "Don't get ahead of your self'

God tells us what is sufficient for us RIGHT NOW/TODAY = the FUTURE belongs to HIM and we have no control or say over it

Peace

I am seeing a pattern with you: avoidance is your MO when your beloved Premil is exposed. You tip-toe round the many contradictions in your position with religious cliches. This is what your fellow Premil Pretrib brethren do.

I refer you back to my last avoided post.