22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[amigo de christo]

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Among “you” is in regard to Believers, Followers and the Converted.
And somewhere about 100 years after Johns death......Ha..
The Jews were back in their Synagogs, not preaching Christ Jesus, the Gentiles were building Churches, naming their Churches Catholic and the congregants, called Catholics, appointing their own holy father, creating rituals, putting statues in the Churches and not long after that the raising up of Mary statues and exalting her...pretty equal with Christ Jesus...

We are still divided.

The true lambs aint divided . They still gather in little groups .
God will never accept idolatry and other gospels either .
Either we get busy preaching Christ and all sound doctrine or prepare to wail at the end .
Cause if we are following another jesus , WELL we aint saved now are we .
IF even paul warned folks ye who have went back under the law have FALLEN from grace
THEN this so called all inclusive gospel , WHICH IS A TOTAL betrayal to the one true gospel
IS SOLID PROOF of not being under grace . SO Why do so many accept that go spell ,.
I mean the last time i checked the muslim religion cant save , buddism cant save
atheism cant save . JESUS even told jews , JEWS mind you , that did not believe on HIM
YE will die in your sins and ye are of your father the devil . SO How come today
its the gospel of JUST LOVE and it dont matter what religion ya follow YA KNOW GOD . WHAT A LIE FROM HELL .
I WONT BUY IT . HERE is what saves one . BELEIVE IN JESUS CHRIST . PEROID . And by peroid
well that means ANY OTHER CONCEPT WONT SAVE PEROID . So how bout we get back
to the original life saving gospel , CHURCHES , and stop following satans false love god which saveth none .
OH YES satan is the one behind this we are one unity all paths , all religoins , lovey lovey . CAUSE THE DEVIL
knows IT WONT SAVE A SOUL Under it . SO i suggest we get busy preaching BIBLE doctrine
and pointing to THAT JESUS . AS i am SURE YOU DO AGREE my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

Thats right taken , WE STICKING TO JESUS CHRIST and the only one true original gospel that saves .
Now lift those hands up and let the LORD be praised .

 

[Timtofly]

Why did you not read what he said? You deliberately twist his comments. Shame on you!

Why did you not read what I posted? Now you deliberately twisted my post. I did not deliberately twist any post. I was pointing out the nonsense of his logic. A cult may be sinister, but certainly not non Christian. If a cult is from a pagan religion, obviously it is about that pagan religion. But we were commenting about a group of Christians, not a group of druids.

 

[Timtofly]

The only thing "highly debatable", "precarious frayed thread", or "dubious" are your beliefs.

And your beliefs portray God's Word exactly the same way. You are just convinced otherwise. Certainly in reading Scripture, Amil "belief" has never been addressed much less implied. It is only personal opinion of the text, put in such a way, out of context and simple reading comprehension. It has to be defined outside of Scripture and taught.

Revelation 20 starts the 7th of 7 parallels. Premils cannot or will not see that because it decimates their teaching

Wow, someone's opinion is different than another person's opinion. Welcome to life 101.

How does your opinion decimate God's Word? You think your opinion is better than what is stated by John in his own writings?

There are not 7 parallels in Revelation. That is a human assumption based on personal bias. In fact you have to "explain" to all sensible readers they are wrong, and those beheaded in Revelation 20:4 are not those killed in the preceding 42 months prior to Armageddon, which was described in Revelation 19. Or avoid the point altogether, and dismiss it out of hand as if it were a pesky flying insect.

Please explain how you can time travel those beheaded who were resurrected at the start of the 1,000 years, but killed at the end of the 1,000 years? Avoiding the mark of the beast is pretty time specific in history, even though many claim it has happened since Adam and Eve. Amil want us to accept that 7 times John starts out in the first century and ends at a Second Coming?

The only time the first century is even mentioned is the symbolic birth of Jesus in Revelation 12, showing that Satan has always wanted to stamp out God's plan of Redemption.

Nothing about Satan defeated and bound at Armageddon, indicates something that happened in the first century.

 

[Timtofly]

I'm not changing the definition of a word. I'm going by what the vast majority of people think of when they hear the word "cult". I understand that you're not like anyone else and kind of live in your own world. So, don't try to speak for anyone but yourself. The bottom line is that Christians should not be accusing other Christians of being in a cult. That should not be too hard to understand. I believe you are the only one who doesn't understand that.

So no one uses a dictionary to define words any more? A definition is only what each human declares in their own head?

I was pointing out what the dictionary stated, not my personal opinion.

 

[Timtofly]

Of course I do if you're talking about people. It's spelled out for us.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

It couldn't be any more clear. All whose names are not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. Very simple.

Yet you refuse to acknowledge the point: Satan was cast into the LOF 1,000 years after those cast into the LOF in Revelation 19.

 

[Timtofly]

I agree. He is most at home hurling ad hominem. He got demolished in the ECFs thread and he is smarting sore with bitterness toward me.

You have proof of this?

 

[Timtofly]

No it does not. That is a Pharisaical invention. You make the same mistake they do. Christ did not teach a literal temporal territorial physical kingdom based in physical Jerusalem. He spiritualized it and showed it was a heavenly eternal kingdom that was coming. Jesus said in John 18:36, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”

Christ couldn’t have made it clearer. This expectation – of a literal visible territorial political kingdom – was wrong. It exposed the ignorance which controlled the Jews. They had a defective perception of the nature of God’s kingdom and the manner in which it would appear.

And who was against the Pharisees? The Saducees. Amil would be modern day Saducees denying any physical kingdom.

In Matthew 25 Jesus describes a literal physical kingdom with a symbolic judgment over the sheep and the goats. Certainly humans are not literal sheep nor goats. But angels are literal and so is the throne in Jerusalem literal. The sheep inherit this Millennium Kingdom, the goats do not. But the sheep are still literal humans inheriting a literal earthly kingdom.

The sheep are not inheriting the spiritual kingdom of the last 1992 years. That would be the NT church, understood as the fulness of the Gentiles. This church was both Israel and the Gentiles, and was not a government at all, in any physical sense.

Not all pre-mill fit this alleged conspiracy to revive the doctrines of the Pharisees. So a strawman argument against biblical pre-mill teachings. Just like you would get upset if you were accused of being a negative thinking Saducee. Falsely accusing pre-mill of being pharisaical is humorous to say the least.

 

[Timtofly]

This "thousand years" is only found in the highly symbolic book of Revelation that is saturated in apocalyptic language and symbolic numbers and ideas.

Mere opinion. Why do you place limits on God's Word, declaring thus saith Paul Malcomson?

"Highly", "saturated"? Is this supposed to be some emotional appeal to prove a point?

Next you are going to say there is nothing literal to even be gained in reading Revelation, because that is what you are implying.

 

[Timtofly]

Your campaign of hate is starting to expose itself. Bitterness is an awful cancer that destroys the person carrying it. Ad hominem is where you are at your happiest. I refuse to get into the mud with you.

Really?

Have a look at what you write and ask. Your posts are hard to follow. They are all over the place. The questions are scattered. It might not be surprising that it is difficult to know what to focus in on. When one doesn't address your broad sweeping enquiries you then attack them. Until you simplify your questions and make your posts clearer i am going to ignore them.

Are you complaining, or just making excuses for refusing to understand other poster's point of view? You complain of other poster's attacks, then you turn around and do the same thing.

You don't even let people explain. You paint every human with the same broad ambiguous argument of your own concoction, and not even God's Word. Or then you accuse some of being too individual and obscure. Then claim you avoid that level of posting.

 

[Timtofly]

It's not talking about a Kingdom on this earth with mortal humans present is it, because no Kingdom or Mortals on this earth exist in Revelation 20:1-6, will you now be silent on these facts?

The facts that these beheaded in verse 4 are the camp of the saints in verse 9?

If verse 9 is not on earth, which earth is the breadth of the earth talking about?

 

[Truth7t7]

The facts that these beheaded in verse 4 are the camp of the saints in verse 9?

If verse 9 is not on earth, which earth is the breadth of the earth talking about?

Once again, no Kingdom or Mortal Humans are seen in Revelation 20:1-6, where the word (Thousand Years) is used

 

[Truth7t7]

Mere opinion. Why do you place limits on God's Word, declaring thus saith Paul Malcomson?

"Highly", "saturated"? Is this supposed to be some emotional appeal to prove a point?

Next you are going to say there is nothing literal to even be gained in reading Revelation, because that is what you are implying.

Revelation 20:1-6 (Thousand Years) is nothing more than non-literal symbolic language, in explanation of the Lord's eternal spiritual realm where time doesn't exist, it's that simple

 

[Timtofly]

Secondly, think about it: do you really believe that Satan is going to be able to turn the hearts of the millennial kingdom at his mere appearance?

It worked for Eve.

Unless it takes time. Can we compare Genesis 3 with Revelation 20, or is that too far out of your comfort zone?

 

[Timtofly]

You mean Jesus will sit on a make believe throne created by Keraz's imagination, and be funeral director for those children dying at a 100 years old around him

"Big Smiles"!

So you do know there is Scriptural proof. You just mock God's Word.

 

[Timtofly]

The Final test for mankind clearly occurs just prior to the second coming, when satan goes forth in all power of deception for those who believe the lie and are perishing.

That final test is right before Jesus hands back the whole of creation. Not just a burnt offering.

 

[amigo de christo]

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Among “you” is in regard to Believers, Followers and the Converted.
And somewhere about 100 years after Johns death......Ha..
The Jews were back in their Synagogs, not preaching Christ Jesus, the Gentiles were building Churches, naming their Churches Catholic and the congregants, called Catholics, appointing their own holy father, creating rituals, putting statues in the Churches and not long after that the raising up of Mary statues and exalting her...pretty equal with Christ Jesus...

We are still divided.

 

[Timtofly]

Thanks.

We need to get past traditional thinking and teaching and actually read what the bible actually says.

So explain how Babylon defeats Babylon at Armageddon, a valley in Israel called Megiddo?

 

[Marty fox]

So explain how Babylon defeats Babylon at Armageddon, a valley in Israel called Megiddo?

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I have no idea what you mean. Babylon defeats Babylon?

 

[Timtofly]

Yes, the same battle described at the end of Rev 20. These are parallel passages, they reveal recaps.

It is not the same battle. How is the camp of the saints in the middle of the valley of Megiddo?

How is Jesus on a white horse the same as fire from God?

Where does the mark of the beast and the FP fit in with their 42 months? Why are there 7 vials of wrath poured out on the earth on all the saints living on the earth? Did the camp of the saints run away? Why would they run away if their enemy was consumed by fire?