No he didnt she too like us had to accept Him for his death and she could not do that till after he was resurecetd and the new covenant ushered in at penetcost, as she another of your Idols.
Should women teach the bible?
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All I do is in His name , praise of His name . As well , I talk about those who are in His name, serve His name, worship His name . That is a disingenuous statement on your part.
Lets see you have written about mary how the bible is all about men and stuff women.. you have now upset one person who you now will have to answer for, and that is one you cannot run from. A debate may have many opposing views doesnt mean any of them are right.
Question: was He taking sin upon Himself away from people before His death as he journeyed through life to His cross? If no then how did He heal people? How did He raise the dead? he was freeing people all His life , He simply nailed all that he took away to the cross, and DEATH was the last thing he conquered for us all. was He telling people WHILE HE WAS ALIVE, "your sins are forgiven"? Of course and when he said that they were without question, at least for those who believed. Yet you question?Very telling.
are you saying I have upset Christ by speaking about His written word and talking about His elect mother and all who followed Him? Which opposing view? Mine is the only in this debate with all of you. So what many? I am only one against all of you.
Christianity is about Christ,, not the bible, its not about mary or your religious affliations, its not about you or me, it is all about Christ that is why it is called "christiianity". You can write about all you want, but you like all men will have to answer for every word you speak.
You are putting the cart before the horse,if Jesus could just forgive all these sins for ever from that point, eh would have no need to go to the cross, it would of being sufficient.. My sin as all mens sins where forgiven before this all started, but teh sacrifice had to be made and teh price paid, before any one could stand before God in the righteousness of His Son.
Mmmm....Luke 11:
A House Divided
(Matthew 12:22-30; Mark 3:20-27)
14One day Jesus was driving out a demon that was mute. And when the demon was gone, the man who had been mute spoke. The crowds were amazed, 15but some of them said, “It is by Beelzebul, the prince of the demons, that He drives out demons.” 16And others tested Him by demanding a sign from heaven. 17Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and a house divided against a house will fall. 18If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? After all, you say that I drive out demons by Beelzebul. 19And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 20But if I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. 21When a strong man, fully armed, guards his house, his possessions are secure. 22But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted, and then he divides up his plunder. 23He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
Yes just look at these forums... and all this banter means what... see you are just another religious man posting bible text beet the rest into submission with your smarts, counts for little in Gods Kingdom, You quote teh bible therefore you are right, BOL does that too and he has very rarely ever being right, if he is, its by pure accident.
Luk_10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
But since you insist on not going to teh one who is the truth, you will never find it.
Luke 11:
9So I tell you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 11What father among you, if his son asks for a fish,d will give him a snake instead? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
Mark2:
1A few days later, Jesus went back to Capernaum. And when the people heard He was home, 2they gathered in such large numbers that there was no more room, not even outside the door, as Jesus spoke the word to them. 3Then a paralytic was brought to Him, carried by four men. 4Since they were unable to get to Jesus through the crowd, they uncovered the roof above Him, made an opening, and lowered the paralytic on his mat. 5When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” 6But some of the scribes were sitting there and thinking in their hearts, 7“Why does this man speak like this? He is blaspheming!
Sounds like some people I run into. He was alive and doing this??? Huh, imagine....No it is a fact not imagined.
Who can forgive sins but God alone?” 8At once Jesus knew in His spirit that they were thinking this way within themselves. “Why are you thinking these things in your hearts?” He asked. 9“Which is easier: to say to a paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, pick up your mat, and walk’? 10But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...” He said to the paralytic, 11“I tell you, get up, pick up your mat, and go home.” 12And immediately the man got up, picked up his mat, and walked out in front of them all. As a result, they were all astounded and glorified God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”
9So I tell you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. 11What father among you, if his son asks for a fish,d will give him a snake instead? 12Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
Mark2:
1A few days later, Jesus went back to Capernaum. And when the people heard He was home, 2they gathered in such large numbers that there was no more room, not even outside the door, as Jesus spoke the word to them. 3Then a paralytic was brought to Him, carried by four men. 4Since they were unable to get to Jesus through the crowd, they uncovered the roof above Him, made an opening, and lowered the paralytic on his mat. 5When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” 6But some of the scribes were sitting there and thinking in their hearts, 7“Why does this man speak like this? He is blaspheming!
Sounds like some people I run into. He was alive and doing this??? Huh, imagine....No it is a fact not imagined.
Who can forgive sins but God alone?” 8At once Jesus knew in His spirit that they were thinking this way within themselves. “Why are you thinking these things in your hearts?” He asked. 9“Which is easier: to say to a paralyzed man, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up, pick up your mat, and walk’? 10But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...” He said to the paralytic, 11“I tell you, get up, pick up your mat, and go home.” 12And immediately the man got up, picked up his mat, and walked out in front of them all. As a result, they were all astounded and glorified God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this!”
Like I said, you think because you can quote the bible you have all the answers but you have nothing.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Joh 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
and so you dont.
Oh okay, now I have heard everything. "Yes just look at these forums... and all this banter means what... see you are just another religious man posting bible text beet the rest into submission with your smarts, counts for little in Gods Kingdom",
Really? Clearly scripture is not your thing TEH BYRD flies over the coo, coo's nest.;)
Who is BOL? and doesn't everyone use the scriptures? Some to their own demise others to their glory in Christ. Some misapply like you, and try to beat the wise into submission with false application and interps , but scripture is not yours, for the kingdom heaven is FOR BELIEVERS so to our avail scripture is applied. And one flew over the coo, coo's nest. With all TEH bunk Byrds preach the squawking is the insane rants of mad men.
Oh sweet Jesus, Ha, ha ha, all this while posting scripture toward me. It cannot get any more zany.Pretext, Christ was speaking to the Pharisees who poured over the scriptures but did not believe them. He was speaking upon the Torah and the books of the prophets. The Pharisees did not see they were speaking of the Messiah. The NT scriptures were not even written yet. He is not speaking against the NT.As a matter of fact He was not speaking against study of scriptures but rather , not reading them in faith as the Pharisees were guilty of. They misused them to control the people , they blinded men to the Messiah because they themselves were blind to Him.
.John 5:
The Witness of Scripture
39You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life. 41I do not accept glory from men, 42but I know you, that you do not have the love of God within you. 43I have come in My Father’s name, and you have not received Me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44How can you believe if you accept glory from one another,( SOUNDS FAMILIAR) yet do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. 46If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. 47But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?”
FULL CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT.
The Good News and the Gospel is the testimony of what Christ said and teaches. 47But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?” They reject Moses then and now and MOST CERTAINLY do not believe the Good News , THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST in the NEW TESTAMENT.
Ye and here you are doing the same thing, you can quote me bible text all day, and I can post you bible text all day, happens quiet a bit in these forums, even teh devil.
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
we can go for as long as you want.
Pretext, we can go on as long as God wants.
Mat 4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (the testimony of the apostles is the account of the words that proceeded out of Christ's mouth that they recorded. And as Christ said to them "those who receive you , receive me" "As the father has sent Me I send you" and he breathed on them and said "receive the Holy Spirit" . It is by Him the NT was written.
Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God , clearly I believe and do not reject His words, nor do I try to put the Lord to the test. You are the one who ansewrs back to the Lord. Romans 9:20
20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God?
I do not question nor talk against Him.
Job 9:32
For He is not a man like me, that I can answer Him, that we can take each other to court.
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
Philippians 3:13 "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
so worring about what someone says should not concern you unless...
second, of all I was speaking to the "Strong". they the strong, need not say anwthing because they are .... "STRONG".
third, as in defending anyone, yes, the bonds of Peace, which is the prince of peace.
1 Timothy 2:3 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth".
this is his will that all be save, and all to come unto the knowledge of the truth. but understand this. you nor I can shove this down anyone's throat. Just speak the word of truth, that's all. if one hear fine, if not, fine also, just plant the seed, for one plant, another water, but it is God who gives the increase.
now with that said, I will move on. be blessed
PICJAG.
I believe you need to re-read her post, it said "you all" and two if you're not a "B#@%&", why worry about it? as the apostle Paul said,
Philippians 3:13 "Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Philippians 3:14 "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
so worring about what someone says should not concern you unless...
second, of all I was speaking to the "Strong". they the strong, need not say anwthing because they are .... "STRONG".
third, as in defending anyone, yes, the bonds of Peace, which is the prince of peace.
did I condemn anyone, or you? no, I said, "no one broke any rules", if not sure read my post again. also in restraining our tongues the Holy spirit will do that for us if we are subject to him. and as for dealing with "other" people short coming, maybe other people are dealing with your short coming.
that's the Christian way, "to forgive", as christ did on the cross, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". so do all acept, and all forgive also. and it's not just about "YOU", as I posted, "hope all are in peace, and apologies to all for the unwarranted outburst". MY concern is for all, the offender as well as the defendent. My will is the same as my Father's.
1 Timothy 2:3 "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth".
this is his will that all be save, and all to come unto the knowledge of the truth. but understand this. you nor I can shove this down anyone's throat. Just speak the word of truth, that's all. if one hear fine, if not, fine also, just plant the seed, for one plant, another water, but it is God who gives the increase.
now with that said, I will move on. be blessed
PICJAG.
Convenient , her plural usage of the word. This is not my first rodeo. I do know what many forums are about. She had no beef with anyone else even though she used a plural. You better wake up before me , to even have the slightest chance of convincing me of your bunk. No Christian tries to use Scripture against victims unless they themselves aid and abet. You have shown your hand. This is an information gathering place for thieves. They monkey on truly talent and blessed people's backs . Use their words , to try and make a profit for themselves and to go else where with their works with some personal alteration and personal tweaks , they have something to present. Cest la vie!
Sometimes real seekers do enter into these joints and I do actually reach them. But the squatters in here are all thieves with NO real belief in God. All want to be somebodies who think their slick.As I said , I am hip to it all and I'm covered. Christianity is for USING , for the type in here ,it can be very profitable and not for gaining souls for God but to gather followers unto self by stealing others works. I am covered, slackers can have at it!
With that said, keep pretending.
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