Can one be saved while they are all alone?

[Acolyte]

If we don’t all receive HS before baptism then how did you get it? Were you a special case? How do you know “Jesus was with me”? Did you just have some warm feeling? Did he personally speak to you like Saul on the road? Anybody can claim anything but that doesn’t make it so. The difference is those in the first century could prove it.

I wasn't alone when I was saved.. I had people praying over me with laying of hands. While my knees buckled and I felt uplifted, I did not feel the HS until about 4 months later, I was alone. And it was AMAZING!!! I don't debate my faith.. so I have to pay better attention when I click Trending Topics.

Blessings

 

[CNKW3]

I wasn't alone when I was saved.. I had people praying over me with laying of hands. While my knees buckled and I felt uplifted, I did not feel the HS until about 4 months later, I was alone. And it was AMAZING!!! I don't debate my faith.. so I have to pay better attention when I click Trending Topics.

Blessings

The key words here are....”I don’t debate MY faith”. The Bible talks of a COMMON faith. That’s the problem today, everybody has their own way of doing it. When Jude wrote to Christians he said...
Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Paul taught that their is ONE faith. Eph 4:5
To Titus Paul wrote..
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Paul didn’t seem to think we could each have our OWN faith.

Peter wrote to those of “LIKE precious faith”. Like meaning same. You and I aren’t of LIKE precious faith.
Jesus prayed for unity...
John 17:20-21 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Paul commanded unity..
1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

You can’t have your “own faith” and be obedient to any of the above. This is the problem. This is why I started this thread, to have this discussion. This mindset of being alone and dong whatever I feel for salvation did not exist in the NT, but yet it seems many want it their own way.

 

[CNKW3]

duhh stop the foolish questions and get back to adult like questions or i will drop you like a ROCK... the promise isto us you better read your Bible. your grasping for thin air . For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

You just quoted acts 2:39 which is a totally different promise then acts 1. In acts 2:38 the previous verse to the one you just quoted PROMISED forgiveness of sins if they would repent and be baptized. This is the “promise” of verse 29. This is the promise that is available to Jews and gentiles (those who are afar off) alike. If all are obedient to the gospel they through Gods promise will receive forgiveness of sins.
In acts 2:33 we are told that Jesus received the “promise” of the HG. Are you saying that Jesus received some indwelling of the Spirit at his ascension? Haha. Nice. That’s a good one.
The truth is....this also is a totally different promise. There are four separate “promises” in the first 2 chapters of acts. But, with all your wisdom I’m sure you’ll tell me I’m wrong and foolish.
Drop it likes it hot!

 

[Nancy]

By the way, IMHO - NOBODY get's saved alone as they have the Holy Spirit as their witness... No body "needs" another human with them!
Their public declaration of their new found faith will come with public Baptism where one declares Jesus Lord of their life! This is just silly...Jesus meets us ANYWHERE!

 

[CNKW3]

By the way, IMHO - NOBODY get's saved alone as they have the Holy Spirit as their witness... No body "needs" another human with them!
Their public declaration of their new found faith will come with public Baptism where one declares Jesus Lord of their life! This is just silly...Jesus meets us ANYWHERE!

I don’t know why a few people keep posting about not being alone because God or Jesus was with them. I actually thought people would understand what I meant by the word alone. I ONLY had humanity not deity in mind. I thought this should have been pretty clear. The only thing I can come up with is...you don’t know how else to respond so you put deity in there when it clearly was never intended to be.

Having said that.
If you do NOT obey the directives of deity for salvation then even deity is not with you so yes you are still TOTALLY ALONE.
If you claim that you woke up some morning, said some prayer, asked for forgiveness, and then walked out of that room a saved, born again child of God then yes you were TOTALLY ALONE. Deity was not present since deity NEVER directed ANYBODY to be “saved” in that way. If it didn’t come from the words of deity, then deity was not present. Do you think deity is traveling around with the Jehovah’s Witness? I don’t. They don’t follow the NT precepts and directives of deity. They follow their own just like those in the room above.

And where does it say Jesus meets us anywhere, meaning we can be saved in any form or fashion we desire.

 

[Nancy]

I don’t know why a few people keep posting about not being alone because God or Jesus was with them. I actually thought people would understand what I meant by the word alone. I ONLY had humanity not deity in mind. I thought this should have been pretty clear. The only thing I can come up with is...you don’t know how else to respond so you put deity in there when it clearly was never intended to be.

Having said that.
If you do NOT obey the directives of deity for salvation then even deity is not with you so yes you are still TOTALLY ALONE.
If you claim that you woke up some morning, said some prayer, asked for forgiveness, and then walked out of that room a saved, born again child of God then yes you were TOTALLY ALONE. Deity was not present since deity NEVER directed ANYBODY to be “saved” in that way. If it didn’t come from the words of deity, then deity was not present. Do you think deity is traveling around with the Jehovah’s Witness? I don’t. They don’t follow the NT precepts and directives of deity. They follow their own just like those in the room above.

And where does it say Jesus meets us anywhere, meaning we can be saved in any form or fashion we desire.

So, the Holy Spirit does NOT bear witness with our spirit then, is pretty much what you are saying. I KNOW I was saved THAT day ALONE in my room, literally ON MY FACE and begging Him to reveal Himself to me...I was rock bottom of the barrel and thought myself beyond redemption. You are in essence saying that Jesus cannot hear our heartfelt, achingly desperate "for Him" prayers to be saved? You put Him in a small box along with yourself. How can I NOT be saved from that day as I have been growing and hungering for Him ever since. I have been baptized in front of a slew of others and PUBLICLY declared my total faith in Jesus, my sins were washed away and I have since then become someone I hardly recognize. And, that is NOT my doing. So, you go ahead and judge away, as you seem to know who is and is not saved. Yikes CNKW3...I'm sure there are many things that are not written in the Bible but, we know through comparing scripture is either right or wrong...not to mention our
consciences.

 

[CNKW3]

So, the Holy Spirit does NOT bear witness with our spirit then, is pretty much what you are saying.

What does Rom 8:16 say..
The Spirit bears witness with our Spirit that we are children of God.
HOW does he do that? He does not do it through emotion. “I felt the Spirit so therefore I know he’s here”. That NEVER happened in the NT. All those who had any encounter with the Spirit received something miraculous and verifiable. It was NEVER based on “feeling” or emotion.
The Spirit bears witness through the word. In Heb 10 the writer says..
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us (How, lets see)
for after that he had said before,
The writer then goes on to quote a passage. The HS bears witness through the word of God. The HS bears witness with my Spirit when I do what the HS commands and directs through his word. How do I know I am a child of God? Not because I had some “experience” but because I did what the HS directed me to do to become a child of God through word and example. Gal 3:26-29 for example

I KNOW I was saved THAT day ALONE in my room, literally ON MY FACE and begging Him to reveal Himself to me...I was rock bottom of the barrel and thought myself beyond redemption.

If you are right then show me where the HS ever gave witness to that. The HS never thought enough of your “experience” to ever include it in his last will and Testament.
What if I open my fathers will and my names not in it? Do you think I will be able just to appeal on some other basis and then get some inheritance? Why do you think you can do whatever it is you feel and God has to accept it?

You are in essence saying that Jesus cannot hear our heartfelt, achingly desperate "for Him" prayers to be saved?

Jesus bears the groans of the whole world but the whole world isn’t saved. The world must come to him. Not on just any term you choose but on his terms. He told us that the father gave him all authority. That means he gets to decide how it’s done and he said...he that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
You just said...I believed, prayed, was saved and baptism maybe later, or maybe not.
You think the HS is going to bear witness to that?

You put Him in a small box along with yourself.

I don’t put anybody anywhere. It was God himself that said...I cannot lie. If God cannot lie then he has limited himself to the word he has left us. If he said belief plus baptism equals salvation and then turns around and saves all those who believe and are not even baptized or have wrong belief about baptism then tell me why he hasn’t lied.

How can I NOT be saved from that day as I have been growing and hungering for Him ever since. I have been baptized in front of a slew of others and PUBLICLY declared my total faith in Jesus, my sins were washed away and I have since then become someone I hardly recognize. And, that is NOT my doing. So, you go ahead and judge away, as you seem to know who is and is not saved. Yikes CNKW3...I'm sure there are many things that are not written in the Bible but, we know through comparing scripture is either right or wrong...not to mention our
consciences.

When were your sins washed away?
And
Does living a good life mean one is a born again Christian? I know people who live good lives, have made great changes in their life and a belief in Christ had no part of it. I guess they are saved to. They might as well be.

 

[Nancy]

What does Rom 8:16 say..
The Spirit bears witness with our Spirit that we are children of God.
HOW does he do that? He does not do it through emotion. “I felt the Spirit so therefore I know he’s here”. That NEVER happened in the NT. All those who had any encounter with the Spirit received something miraculous and verifiable. It was NEVER based on “feeling” or emotion.
The Spirit bears witness through the word. In Heb 10 the writer says..
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us (How, lets see)
for after that he had said before,
The writer then goes on to quote a passage. The HS bears witness through the word of God. The HS bears witness with my Spirit when I do what the HS commands and directs through his word. How do I know I am a child of God? Not because I had some “experience” but because I did what the HS directed me to do to become a child of God through word and example. Gal 3:26-29 for example



If you are right then show me where the HS ever gave witness to that. The HS never thought enough of your “experience” to ever include it in his last will and Testament.
What if I open my fathers will and my names not in it? Do you think I will be able just to appeal on some other basis and then get some inheritance? Why do you think you can do whatever it is you feel and God has to accept it?


Jesus bears the groans of the whole world but the whole world isn’t saved. The world must come to him. Not on just any term you choose but on his terms. He told us that the father gave him all authority. That means he gets to decide how it’s done and he said...he that believes and is baptized shall be saved.
You just said...I believed, prayed, was saved and baptism maybe later, or maybe not.
You think the HS is going to bear witness to that?


I don’t put anybody anywhere. It was God himself that said...I cannot lie. If God cannot lie then he has limited himself to the word he has left us. If he said belief plus baptism equals salvation and then turns around and saves all those who believe and are not even baptized or have wrong belief about baptism then tell me why he hasn’t lied.


When were your sins washed away?
And
Does living a good life mean one is a born again Christian? I know people who live good lives, have made great changes in their life and a belief in Christ had no part of it. I guess they are saved to. They might as well be.

I have no idea at all where you are getting this stuff about me, God is NOT a "feeling", I have known that for a very long time and I do NOT live by my "emotions" and NEVER did I even imply that I can "do whatever I want..." And, neither did I even come anywhere near close to saying that "... living a good life mean one is a born again Christian?" ??! If His Word says I am saved, then I believe it. I do not ever seek sensationalism, nor am I run by my emotions. I believe without seeing the "miraculous". So, are you of the camp that believes one is not saved if they don't start blabbing in tongues?
I believed on the Name of The Lord, repented and got baptized...in that order. So, in your OPINION I am hell bound and the Lord did not forgive my sincerity of my asking for forgiveness and repenting of my sins. Okay...I hope you are blessed with His peace because I am and, there is nothing like it. Or, of course it's ALL in my head
I do not do legalism. I serve the Lord with a glad heart and a willing spirit.
God Bless

 

[CNKW3]

I have no idea at all where you are getting this stuff about me, God is NOT a "feeling", I have known that for a very long time and I do NOT live by my "emotions" and NEVER did I even imply that I can "do whatever I want..." And, neither did I even come anywhere near close to saying that "... living a good life mean one is a born again Christian?" ??! If His Word says I am saved, then I believe it. I do not ever seek sensationalism, nor am I run by my emotions. I believe without seeing the "miraculous". So, are you of the camp that believes one is not saved if they don't start blabbing in tongues?
I believed on the Name of The Lord, repented and got baptized...in that order. So, in your OPINION I am hell bound and the Lord did not forgive my sincerity of my asking for forgiveness and repenting of my sins. Okay...I hope you are blessed with His peace because I am and, there is nothing like it. Or, of course it's ALL in my head
I do not do legalism. I serve the Lord with a glad heart and a willing spirit.
God Bless

You said your sins were washed away. When did that happen?

 

[Nancy]

You said your sins were washed away. When did that happen?

My sins were washed away the moment I called upon His Name in repentance, water baptism is simply an outward confession of your new life in Christ, symbolized by the washing away of the old man and rising into a new creature.

 

[CNKW3]

My sins were washed away the moment I called upon His Name in repentance, water baptism is simply an outward confession of your new life in Christ, symbolized by the washing away of the old man and rising into a new creature.

Is this the HS bearing witness? Because this is not what the HS said. This is 100% a doctrine of man. Where is the scripture you use to make such a claim? Let’s here what the HS said to back up your claim.

 

[Nancy]

Is this the HS bearing witness? Because this is not what the HS said. This is 100% a doctrine of man. Where is the scripture you use to make such a claim? Let’s here what the HS said to back up your claim.

With all due respect, I do not have to back up a thing to you, I care only what God thinks of me and my salvation. You are itching for a fight and I'm out. Take care.

 

[CNKW3]

With all due respect, I do not have to back up a thing to you, I care only what God thinks of me and my salvation. You are itching for a fight and I'm out. Take care.

That’s just it Nancy....the only way you know what God thinks of “your salvation” is through book chapter and verse, and you cant give it to me. There is no other way today. That should trouble you.

I just don’t understand. Why do people think they can make claims to spiritual things but don’t have to have Bible to back it up? It’s called pride. People are taught things many times by their families and there is no way momma or daddy could ever be wrong. Or it’s a good trusted friend or “pastor”. There is no way they could lead me astray. So, I will cling to them until death rather then change therefore admitting that they were wrong. It’s just too hard for people to overcome that. Pride will take a vast majority to hell.

 

[Truth]

That’s just it Nancy....the only way you know what God thinks of “your salvation” is through book chapter and verse, and you cant give it to me. There is no other way today. That should trouble you.

I just don’t understand. Why do people think they can make claims to spiritual things but don’t have to have Bible to back it up? It’s called pride. People are taught things many times by their families and there is no way momma or daddy could ever be wrong. Or it’s a good trusted friend or “pastor”. There is no way they could lead me astray. So, I will cling to them until death rather then change therefore admitting that they were wrong. It’s just too hard for people to overcome that. Pride will take a vast majority to hell.

Pride cometh before a fall, and a Haughty Spirit before Destruction. If You were chosen before the Foundation of the Earth, then who, what and how can you not except the Power of God, in that if He choses to redeem you, even if you are alone would you deny that Possibility!
For All People were Given a Measure of Faith!

 

[Enoch111]

You are itching for a fight and I'm out.

You should not have bothered to respond in the first place. But now you've made the right decision.

 

[Windmill Charge]

What difference does it make? It’s because NO ONE was ever “saved” by themselves in the NT when the church was first started. Do examples matter? Why were we given example after example of people receiving the gospel if none of it matters? Weren’t these given for our learning?
Can we just make up our own way of salvation?
When has God ever allowed that?

Was Samuel accountable to the gospel of Jesus Christ? Also Samuel was born into a covenant relationship with God as a member of the nation of israel. He was not “saved” in the temple.

So you are the ultimate authority on how people get saved.
The one who can say God does or does not work in this or that way.

In your opinion hearing God speak to you, being chosen by God for a task does not mean saved!

Samuel was the voice of God durring his ministry and you say he did not know God.

What of Moses, he met with God while working as a shepherd, he did many miracles and spoke with God frequently.
No doubt you say he did not know Jesus.
or Jacob who wrestled with Jesus, untill he blessed him.
Another person who did not know Jesus.

Strange how the bible calls them men of faith.

 

[Ezra]

Is this the HS bearing witness? Because this is not what the HS said. This is 100% a doctrine of man. Where is the scripture you use to make such a claim? Let’s here what the HS said to back up your claim.

you keep digging your self deeper and deeper in proverbs it says iron sharpens iron. yours has no edge what so ever .your so far out there i am at a loss of words . every one who has posted in here has over countered your scripture and commentary.

 

[Ezra]

Is this the HS bearing witness? Because this is not what the HS said. This is 100% a doctrine of man. Where is the scripture you use to make such a claim? Let’s here what the HS said to back up your claim.

just for you A CARNAL MIND " A FLESHLY CONTROLLED " IS ENMITY " HOSTILE " TO GOD
Proverbs 14:12 New King James Version (NKJV)
12 There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.

 

[CNKW3]

Pride cometh before a fall, and a Haughty Spirit before Destruction. If You were chosen before the Foundation of the Earth, then who, what and how can you not except the Power of God, in that if He choses to redeem you, even if you are alone would you deny that Possibility!
For All People were Given a Measure of Faith!

Sorry I don’t understand what you said. All I know is
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

 

[CNKW3]

So you are the ultimate authority on how people get saved.
The one who can say God does or does not work in this or that way.

No the Bible is. I’m quoting what the Bible has to say about salvation through the gospel. When I ask others to support their doctrine through scripture they get mad and start talking bad about me..it’s as if they have never been asked to do so in their life, so how dare I ask for Bible support of a spiritual position..

In your opinion hearing God speak to you, being chosen by God for a task does not mean saved!

How does God “speak” to you?

Samuel was the voice of God durring his ministry and you say he did not know God.

What does Samuel have to do with NT salvation through Christ?

What of Moses, he met with God while working as a shepherd, he did many miracles and spoke with God frequently.
No doubt you say he did not know Jesus.

Are you saying Moses knew Jesus?
Are you also saying that you are a shepherd who does many miracles like Moses?
Are you saying that you to speak to God directly like Moses?
If so then you are one special dude.

or Jacob who wrestled with Jesus, untill he blessed him.
Another person who did not know Jesus.

Strange how the bible calls them men of faith.

where does it say that Jacob wrestled with Jesus.
Men of faith do what God directs them to do and in the way he directs them to do it. Other men do what they want to do and believe God will accept it. Mt 15:8,9