Christ Died for All

[Dash RipRock]

Christ Died for All

The calvinists are coming for you bro!

Jesus Sacrificed himself for All, but only Bore the Sins God Nailed to his Cross...

Hebrews 2:9 - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

God the Father sent Christ to save the world and scripture proclaims that He will do it.

In the end, not all the world is saved and Jesus said only a few find the salvation that Jesus paid for even though Jesus paid for the sins of the entire world.

Matthew 7:13,14 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

If Jesus covered everyone's sin they would not have to pay the wages=death, but they do.

Only those that reject the Lord refusing to repent of their sin and live for Him will be paying for their own sins in hell.

They will suffer the consequences that Jesus went to the Cross to deliver them from but since they rejected Jesus they will suffer in hell because they remained sinners not having become born again

The ones who live through Armageddon may never taste death even though they deserve it like everyone else.

If they don't get born again and live for the Lord they will eventually die and go to hell

The JW teachers are correct.

The JW teachers are heretics!

Which would be every single ever commited. Except for the sin of unbelief

And people can keep living in sin as long as they believe Jesus existed and still be saved as they continue in sin, right?

Making blanket statements as you just did is why some falsely believe all their future sins are automatically forgiven which opens the door to the false doctrine of eternal security causing people to think they can live in sin and still be saved.

Only a Believer's name is written in the Book of Life. You are using a Positive Statement, to try and prove a Negative. No one's name has ever been blotted out of the Book of Life, when you say that the Rocky and Weedy Soils never had Faith?

Only those that over come won't have their names blotted out.

You are claiming universalism which is not biblical.

What we call them is people who play church for awhile. But never had root (christ) so when life happens.

You are forgetting the warnings in the New Testament to show some who were truly saved fell away and became unsaved.

Jesus talked about things that can enter in and choke the Word causing them to become unfruitful.

They were bearing fruit at one point but they started listening to the devil and his lies entered in causing the Word in them to be choked out and if they don';t repent and come back to the Lord they won't be saved in the end even though they were saved initially.

It's always funny in some of these eternal security churches where some pastor who was saved for decades gets caught with his pants down and is kicked out and suddenly that church claims he was never saved to begin with.

Prior to the scandal they were singing his praises, all saying what a fine example of a true Christian man he is and then they claim he was never saved to begin with which is all false doctrine.

They like using big words.

You know, it's pretty easy to look up words you don't know the meaning to, just sayin

 

[One 2 question]

Good Golly. Noah preached to them for 1000 years. and they had no chance?

The week leading up to the door being shut on the ark, the young children did not get a chance to decide to hop on or not. Thy parents made that decision for them I guess.

Once the door was shut by God. Their chances of salvation was over, for all eternity

Notaccording to what their Creator showed me. This is my great hope. Eventually all will repent and be reconciled to their Creator. Now isn't that fantastic news.

 

[soberxp]

So do you believe in Jesus Christ to see sinners lose their lives and be punished, or to see all people repent and have life?

 

[Berean]

can you show me where the OT prophets will not?

And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. (Gen. 12:7.)

And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. (Jer. 31:17.)

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. (Isa. 26:19.)

And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. (Acts 15:15-17.)

Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. (Ezek. 37:12.)

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (Gen. 12:2,3.)

And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. (Isa. 65:21,22.)

And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. (Amos 9:14,15.)

But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it. (Micah 4:4.)

And? this says nothing about who will be in heavens or not.. This earth will no longer exist. where will the OT believers be located?

As Matthew 11:11? “He that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he [John the Baptist].” Stated another way, all of the Little Flock are greater than John the Baptist because they will receive a greater reward and greater privileges.

 

[One 2 question]

So do you believe in Jesus Christ to see sinners lose their lives and be punished, or to see all people repent and have life?

Yes, to see every created being reconciled to their Creator. Awesome!

 

[FaithWillDo]

The calvinists are coming for you bro!






Hebrews 2:9 - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.




In the end, not all the world is saved and Jesus said only a few find the salvation that Jesus paid for even though Jesus paid for the sins of the entire world.

Matthew 7:13,14 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.





Only those that reject the Lord refusing to repent of their sin and live for Him will be paying for their own sins in hell.

They will suffer the consequences that Jesus went to the Cross to deliver them from but since they rejected Jesus they will suffer in hell because they remained sinners not having become born again




If they don't get born again and live for the Lord they will eventually die and go to hell




The JW teachers are heretics!




And people can keep living in sin as long as they believe Jesus existed and still be saved as they continue in sin, right?

Making blanket statements as you just did is why some falsely believe all their future sins are automatically forgiven which opens the door to the false doctrine of eternal security causing people to think they can live in sin and still be saved.




Only those that over come won't have their names blotted out.

You are claiming universalism which is not biblical.




You are forgetting the warnings in the New Testament to show some who were truly saved fell away and became unsaved.

Jesus talked about things that can enter in and choke the Word causing them to become unfruitful.

They were bearing fruit at one point but they started listening to the devil and his lies entered in causing the Word in them to be choked out and if they don';t repent and come back to the Lord they won't be saved in the end even though they were saved initially.

It's always funny in some of these eternal security churches where some pastor who was saved for decades gets caught with his pants down and is kicked out and suddenly that church claims he was never saved to begin with.

Prior to the scandal they were singing his praises, all saying what a fine example of a true Christian man he is and then they claim he was never saved to begin with which is all false doctrine.




You know, it's pretty easy to look up words you don't know the meaning to, just sayin

Dear DashRipRock,

You said:
In the end, not all the world is saved and Jesus said only a few find the salvation that Jesus paid for even though Jesus paid for the sins of the entire world.

Matthew 7:13,14 - Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

In the verses you quoted, the "few" who Christ mentions are the Elect, the First Fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind. They find the narrow gate to salvation because they are the only ones who Christ will convert in this age. They will reign with Christ in the final age over the balance of unsaved mankind for the purpose of judging and bringing in the full and final harvest of mankind.

The Feast of Weeks (First Fruits) foreshadows the day of salvation of the Elect when they are harvested into the Kingdom of Heaven in this age. The Feast of Ingathering (Tabernacles) foreshadows the great day of salvation for the balance of mankind in the final age (year's end).

These verses apply:

1Sam 12:17 Is it not wheat harvest to day? (day of salvation for the Elect) I will call unto the LORD, and he shall send thunder and RAIN (Latter Rain/baptism of the Holy Spirit); that ye may perceive and see (spiritual blindness healed) that your wickedness is great (have become apostate/man of sin), which ye have done in the sight of the LORD, in asking you a king.

Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

When the last day of the Feast of Ingathering (Tabernacles) arrives, Christ will make this call to them:

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast (Tablernacles), Jesus stood and cried, saying, if any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

After the last person of mankind who has ever lived is saved, this scripture will be testified to be true:

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Where is your faith to believe Christ? Your beliefs make Christ out to be a failure and a sinner.

The Doctrine of Hell that is taught in the apostate churches of this world is one of the "perverse things" that Paul warned was coming into the church after his departing.

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

The next time you pray, you should reflect on what I presented above and ask the Lord for understanding and for more faith to believe what Christ has proclaimed in scripture because there is MUCH YOU DO NOT KNOW.

Jer 33:3 ‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’

Joe

 

[One 2 question]

In the verses you quoted, the "few" who Christ mentions are the Elect, the First Fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind. They find the narrow gate to salvation because they are the only ones who Christ will convert in this age. They will reign with Christ in the final age over the balance of unsaved mankind for the purpose of judging and bringing in the full and final harvest of mankind.

A great hope hey. What an event to look forward to. To be there at the grand homecoming and family reunion. To be united with all our family. For all the angels to be reunited with eachother.

No more sadness for those in the lake of fire. Every tear of sadness being replaced with tears of joy. Rejoicing over all these sinners who come to repentance and are drawn out of their prison and released into the joy of the Lord God.

Yes those who have been forgiven much loves much. God's plan of Salvation, redemption and restoration of all things is truly brilliant!

What love, what patience, what kindness is within the Almighty, Who is mighty to SAVE!

 

[Taken]

. In the end, all mankind will be saved.

Joe

No.

Truth “caveats”.

ManKIND’S Mortal LIFE is his BLOOD.

ManKIND’S Mortal LIFE, will, shall, must Mortally DIE.

ManKIND whose Mortal LIFE DIES without “spiritual” “heartful” BELIEF, “did not TAKE, nor Receive, the Lord Gods “Offered Spiritual Gift” OF Salvation.

A “Mortally Dead man”…
Ecc. 9:
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Matt 22:
[32] I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Luke 11:
[23a] He that is not with me is against me:

1 Cor 15:
[26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

The “Mortal man” who MORTALLY Dies WITH-OUT / ie. AGAINST the Lord God:
Shall be Destroyed and Forgotten.

“All” shall be “Saved”…has the “CAVEAT”.

“ALL (from the Beginning) WHO Mortally Die, WITH the Lord God, Shall be Saved.

All others WHO Mortally Lived and Died “WITH-OUT / ie. AGAINST God”, “Shall be Destroyed and Forgotten”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[soberxp]

1 Cor 15:
[26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

1 Corinthians 15:29
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;
Matt 8:11

In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.
Luke 13:28

appears this says they will be in heaven.. But the jews in Jesus day who rejected him will be cast out.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You know, it's pretty easy to look up words you don't know the meaning to, just sayin

Sadly, I have also learned when you do look them up. They do not interpret as they are being used.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The week leading up to the door being shut on the ark, the young children did not get a chance to decide to hop on or not. Thy parents made that decision for them I guess.

lol. So God kept it from them?

Come on!!!!

Notaccording to what their Creator showed me.

Showed you? Who are you?

This is my great hope. Eventually all will repent and be reconciled to their Creator. Now isn't that fantastic news.

Well it was Not God who showed you this.. And I do not think Christ died for those who openly reject him on earth. only to let them out of hell when they realize there is a God there is judgment and there is no hope..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So do you believe in Jesus Christ to see sinners lose their lives and be punished, or to see all people repent and have life?

he wants all to repent. But he even acknowledged in John 6. some did not see because they did not believe, that many would never receive his grace gift.

Again, he will not force it on you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him. (Gen. 12:7.)

And there is hope in thine end, saith the LORD, that thy children shall come again to their own border. (Jer. 31:17.)

Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. (Isa. 26:19.)

And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. (Acts 15:15-17.)

Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. (Ezek. 37:12.)

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (Gen. 12:2,3.)

And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. (Isa. 65:21,22.)

And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them. And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God. (Amos 9:14,15.)

But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it. (Micah 4:4.)

Ok this speaks of a future when Christ comes to earth. And literally has nothing to do with anyone's eternal Destiny. This earth still exists. and a new heaven and new earth had not been created yet

As Matthew 11:11? “He that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he [John the Baptist].” Stated another way, all of the Little Flock are greater than John the Baptist because they will receive a greater reward and greater privileges.

You still have not proven your point.

Show me where Noah, And Adam, And Elijah, and Moses and David etc etc will not be in heaven after this world is destroyed

 

[One 2 question]

Showed you? Who are you?

I am my Father's son. When I ask Him for truth and wisdom He gives it to me directly through His Spirit.

I am my Shepherd's sheep. I hear Him communicate with me directly through His Spirit.

I am the mobile home of the Spirit of the Creator. He downloads truth into me directly.

I have the mind of Christ.
it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—

10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ.

Well it was Not God who showed you this..

How do YOU know this? Did God's Spirit tell you? What exactly did He personally tell you about me?

And I do not think Christ died for those who openly reject him on earth.

He absolutely did. Thank God He did.

only to let them out of hell when they realize there is a God there is judgment and there is no hope..

There is so much hope in the God of all mercy, grace and love. For He is definitely going to forgive everyone when they all repent. His love is irresistible, always was, is and will be.

Praise Him for this truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am my Father's son. When I ask Him for truth and wisdom He gives it to me directly through His Spirit.

Satan comes as an angel of light. Don't believe everything you hear in your head

I am my Shepherd's sheep. I hear Him communicate with me directly through His Spirit.

I am the mobile home of the Spirit of the Creator. He downloads truth into me directly.

I have the mind of Christ.
it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—

10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ.

How do YOU know this? Did God's Spirit tell you? What exactly did He personally tell you about me?

He absolutely did. Thank God He did.

There is so much hope in the God of all mercy, grace and love. For He is definitely going to forgive everyone when they all repent. His love is irresistible, always was, is and will be.

Praise Him for this truth.

Christ did not tell you he is a universalist. That is not from God.

 

[David Lamb]

So do you believe in Jesus Christ to see sinners lose their lives and be punished, or to see all people repent and have life?

That doesn't sound like what the bible says. It says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." It doesn't say, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to see sinners lose their lives and be punished," nor does it say, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to see all people repent and have life."