JESUS, the Holy Spirit, the Only True God.

[friend of]

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels...

 

[101G]

I was not going to respond to your post because you do not make much sense again. You respond this time is particularly hard to follow and understand. How can I answer it? Can you write it out again with some clarity? On second thoughts, just answer the queries I have written below.

I now do know however why you frequently misuse and reuse some same words to suit your primary purpose; to support a modern theology of Pneumatology that makes the birth of the man, Jesus as its centerpiece over his Creator. You have made the Father subordinate to his creation even though you insist they are the same as the Holy Spirit, active in different modes or regimes- in the flesh or in heaven, I guess??

You have invented new words or meanings for the words of God – and you actually believe them as if they are all inspired.

There is nothing I can write where you won’t twist and made your words ‘sound’ more appealing. I just think you may need to spend more time in Bible study, over many years where the spirit of God guides the mind and thoughts and your own spirit is taught to be still and becomes nothing in the process.

For example: do you really know what 1 Peter 1:11 means, with the expression ‘Spirit of Christ’ mentioned in it?’ Can you really answer this question simply and clearly? And your answer should clearly show that the words you wrote for it are nonsense and show your ignorance of scripture. You said: “….the Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God. there is no two separate Spirit, only ONE. so you're corrected by the scriptures themselves.”

Not happening mate.

As you keep telling me, in my words ‘…error...try again mate..’

When did you invent this new theological hypothesis and the belief in a ‘diversified Oneness?’ Five years ago, eight years ago? I wager it was not more than 10 years ago when you first began with this eureka moment, as did Archimedes. This Greek mathematician did however have a genuine moment as yours is a product of your own delusional mind.


Bless you,



APAK

first thanks for the response, second, all that you said was nonsense, only an excuse for not knowing the truth.

since you couldn't answer the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question, try your hand at the Revelation 1:4 & 5 question. since you cannot understand the doctrine of God. you go first in answering and I'll follow you.

so tell us how many person(s) is the letter of Revelation from one two or three person(s). without arguing
just answer the question.

I'll be looking for your answer.

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

first thanks for the reply, second, I have asked you not to try an put words in my mouth, ok. read my post and quote them only, ok.

now, The Holy Spirit created that flesh that Mary bore, and he shared himself in. get it right. the title Son of God identifies the Flesh that the Son of man was in, get that? the Son of man is not born, but the flesh he manifested in was born...

third, don't bite, chew your food, was you not told this growing up?. get the digestion right.

fourth, we can see your problem. lack of proper training. so let's give you some food to chew on.

Exhibit A. the Son of God is the flesh, or the Body that the Spirit shared himself in. scripture, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God".

Exhibit B. the Son of man, the Shared Spirit. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".

Exhibit C. the clear distinction. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

For unto us a child is born, (Son of God) unto us a son is given", (the Shared Spirit). BINGO.

did you get that dave?. the Son is never "born"... ... but "GIVEN", say what!.

PICJAG

You and the JWs make Jesus created, not God by your teachings.

Here's a complete statement on Christ from the early Church. The Chalcedonian Creed

"We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable soul and body; consubstantial with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning have declared concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us."

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.

Here's a complete statement on Christ from the early Church. The Chalcedonian Creed

Well here's a complete statement on Christ from the early Church, the Holy Scriptures.
WE FOLLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHO IS CHRIST, IN FLESH, we believe the Holy Spirit, who personal Name is "JESUS". and this JESUS, the Holy Spirit, (without flesh, without bone, and without blood), shared himself in Flesh as the "Son". in this Shared state of existing in time and Intrinsic Spatial, he died on the cross for you and I.

his flesh, in the time of his Intrinsic Spatial here on earthly, was made/concieved by the Holy Spirit, and born/brought forth of a virgin, Mary, seen of men and angels.

Rosed the third day, resurrected in a NEW BODY, Returned to heaven in Glory, and "FILLS" both Heaven and Earth as he did before he came in flesh.

Now Glorified in his OWN Spirit as before, and having a glorified body he now sit as our Great high Priest, and mediator. glorified in his own Spirit, he dwells in us by his Spirit as Comforter, advocate.

soon to return in his glorified body. and when the Kingdom is delivered up, then the end.

PICJAG

 

[Dave L]

GINOLJC, to all.

Well here's a complete statement on Christ from the early Church, the Holy Scriptures.
WE FOLLOW THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHO IS CHRIST, IN FLESH, we believe the Holy Spirit, who personal Name is "JESUS". and this JESUS, the Holy Spirit, (without flesh, without bone, and without blood), shared himself in Flesh as the "Son". in this Shared state of existing in time and Intrinsic Spatial, he died on the cross for you and I.

his flesh, in the time of his Intrinsic Spatial here on earthly, was made/concieved by the Holy Spirit, and born/brought forth of a virgin, Mary, seen of men and angels.

Rosed the third day, resurrected in a NEW BODY, Returned to heaven in Glory, and "FILLS" both Heaven and Earth as he did before he came in flesh.

Now Glorified in his OWN Spirit as before, and having a glorified body he now sit as our Great high Priest, and mediator. glorified in his own Spirit, he dwells in us by his Spirit as Comforter, advocate.

soon to return in his glorified body. and when the Kingdom is delivered up, then the end.

PICJAG

You still deny Christ's deity making him created by the Holy Spirit in the virgin's womb. This error trumps everything you've misunderstood about Christ so far.

 

[101G]

You still deny Christ's deity making him created by the Holy Spirit in the virgin's womb. This error trumps everything you've misunderstood about Christ so far.

first thanks for the reply, second, where have I ever said Jesus the Christ was not God?
#1. you don't read the bible nor any post
#2. you rely on what men tell you.

#3. you can't answer the Revelation question.... .. can you? ... lol.

until you answer the question, which will prove JESUS the christ is the ONLY TRUE God in flesh and bones.....

now your answer, it you cain't answer, your doctrine is still false. here's your chance to save your doctrine...... (smile).. Lol.

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

first thanks for the reply, second, where have I ever said Jesus the Christ was not God?
#1. you don't read the bible nor any post
#2. you rely on what men tell you.

#3. you can't answer the Revelation question.... .. can you? ... lol.

until you answer the question, which will prove JESUS the christ is the ONLY TRUE God in flesh and bones.....

now your answer, it you cain't answer, your doctrine is still false. here's your chance to save your doctrine...... (smile).. Lol.

PICJAG.

A created Christ is not Christ at all.

 

[101G]

A created Christ is not Christ at all.

First thanks for the reply, second, "a Created Christ?" get outta here ...... lol.
it's really sad to see when one suppose to be Christian defeated and in vain conversatation with one's ownself, trying to convince themself's that their doctrine is not dead. ....lol, well dave it's dead.

when you see someone who says they know and cannot answer a simple question, Hosea 9:14 "Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little"

a dry breast when men just quote from other men instead of God.

2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


see dave you have not heard the truth before, it's strange to your ears. yes, you ask a lot of questions, nevering answering tough question, trying to get answers, but it do you no good, you have not the ability to understand the scriptures, (Wisdom of God). Just like the question you asked about baptism, "the minister not using JESUS name in place of his titles for baptism". listen up, the parble of the 10 virgin gives the correct answer..... , but you never had that truth. had you, you would not have asked. ......... ;)

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

First thanks for the reply, second, "a Created Christ?" get outta here ...... lol.
it's really sad to see when one suppose to be Christian defeated and in vain conversatation with one's ownself, trying to convince themself's that their doctrine is not dead. ....lol, well dave it's dead.

when you see someone who says they know and cannot answer a simple question, Hosea 9:14 "Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little"

a dry breast when men just quote from other men instead of God.

2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


see dave you have not heard the truth before, it's strange to your ears. yes, you ask a lot of questions, nevering answering tough question, trying to get answers, but it do you no good, you have not the ability to understand the scriptures, (Wisdom of God). Just like the question you asked about baptism, "the minister not using JESUS name in place of his titles for baptism". listen up, the parble of the 10 virgin gives the correct answer..... , but you never had that truth. had you, you would not have asked. ......... ;)

PICJAG.

You make Jesus a creature and deny his divinity by making the Holy Spirit his Father in the incarnation. It is that simple, and that is heresy.

 

[APAK]

first thanks for the response, second, all that you said was nonsense, only an excuse for not knowing the truth.

since you couldn't answer the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question, try your hand at the Revelation 1:4 & 5 question. since you cannot understand the doctrine of God. you go first in answering and I'll follow you.

so tell us how many person(s) is the letter of Revelation from one two or three person(s). without arguing
just answer the question.

I'll be looking for your answer.

PICJAG.

Look, the only answer I will give you is your lack of response to my post as you have done in the past.

If you want a decent discussion with me stop dancing around to different topics or scripture as I surmise you do not really know scripture that well.

I had some questions of you in my last post you again ignored them. Just fielding our bits of scripture again as if for me 'to fetch' is hardly reasonable.
A little maturity would go a long way indeed.

I asked you understanding of 1 Peter 1:11. It should be quite simple to you as you imply you know scripture. Well here is it, as you did not answer it, because I believe you would have to invent extra-scriptural data to support your invented pneumatology theology of your diversified oneness belief.
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A short analysis of 1 Peter 1:11

The term ‘spirit of Christ’ is used from the time of Christ and only in the NT.
The terms ‘spirit of the Lord’ and the ‘spirit of God’ appears throughout the OT.
The ‘spirit of the Lord’ equates to the ‘spirit of God’ and never the ‘spirit of Christ,’ ever.
The spirit of God gives selected people different type of spirits and associated labels as names.
These names of spirits given by God serve a purpose or function for that individual.
The given types of spirits are always of God Almighty; they are all his Spirit and his power and are gifts given from the same source.
John the Baptist: he had the ‘spirit of Elijah’ in him.
The ‘spirit of wisdom’ is given per Ezekiel, Deuteronomy. Ephesians etc
The ‘spirit of grace’ is given per Hebrews and Zechariah etc
The ‘spirit of glory’ is given as in 1 Peter 4:14
The ‘spirit of adoption’ or ‘spirit of sonship’ is given to many as for eternal life as in Rom 8:15
The ‘spirit of truth’ is given per John 14:17, 16:13 etc

Ephesians 4:4 states clearly that there is ‘one spirit,’ and that spirit is God’s gift of holy spirit given to some people in the Old Testament and to all believers today.

1 Peter1:11 says that ‘the spirit of Christ’ was upon or in the prophets as they predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glory that would follow him afterwards. They knew of the believers in Christ that were in the future. It is clear that Peter called this spirit the’ spirit of Christ’ because it is associated with Christ and foretold of Christ, NOT because Christ was actually alive during the OT and his actual spirit was alive in the OT. The prophets were given the spirit of Christ for deep insight and to understand his future works and who he was as the true Son of God.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[101G]

To all trinitarians, unlike dave, who is about talk, we're about seeking the truth.
The revelation Question as to who it is from, it is from ONE person.
I will make short work of the answer and move on

One Scripture gives us the answer
Revelation 1:11 "Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea".

here in this verse the Alpha and Omega is the first and the last and the First and the Last is JESUS Christ Rev 1:17 & 18
now,
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty".

so the First and the Last who is JESUS is also the which is, and which was, and which is to come. the Alpha and Omega ties" the First and the Last" to "the which is, and which was, and which is to come". THE SAME ONE PERSON. and the seven Spirit? Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead".

BINGO that JESUS.

conclusion: the Letter is from "one" person. so there is no trinity.

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

First thanks for your reply,

The term ‘spirit of Christ’ is used from the time of Christ and only in the NT.

your first ERROR, Spirit here is capitalized, indicating the Holy Spirit..

The terms ‘spirit of the Lord’ and the ‘spirit of God’ appears throughout the OT.

Yes, Indicating his dispensation to come.

The ‘spirit of the Lord’ equates to the ‘spirit of God’ and never the ‘spirit of Christ,’ ever.

Second ERROR, 1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. let's see if this is in the OT Deuteronomy 32:3 "Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deuteronomy 32:4 "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
yes, the bible say he is the

Isaiah 4:4 "When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
so that want fly.

These names of spirits given by God serve a purpose or function for that individual.
The given types of spirits are always of God Almighty; they are all his Spirit and his power and are gifts given from the same source.

another ERROR

John the Baptist: he had the ‘spirit of Elijah’ in him.

another ERROR, scripture, Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord".
the spirit of Elijah was "NOT" in John. what is ment by "in the spirit and power of Elias" is in LIKENESS". no spirit of Elijah was "IN". another ERROR.

The ‘spirit of wisdom’ is given per Ezekiel, Deuteronomy. Ephesians etc

Another ERROR, the spirit of wisdom is a gift from the Spirit. example, James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him".

The ‘spirit of grace’ is given per Hebrews and Zechariah etc

ERROR, Ephesians 4:7 "But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

The ‘spirit of glory’ is given as in 1 Peter 4:14

that's God's the Lord Jesus, that is RESTED, not given, not in this LIFE, but the one to come. I suggest you read, 2 Peter 1:3 "According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

The ‘spirit of adoption’ or ‘spirit of sonship’ is given to many as for eternal life as in Rom 8:15
The ‘spirit of truth’ is given per John 14:17, 16:13 etc

it's the SAME ONE Spirit that worketh all in all.

My God how hard is it to understand.

1 Peter1:11 says that ‘the spirit of Christ’ was upon or in the prophets as they predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glory that would follow him afterwards. They knew of the believers in Christ that were in the future. It is clear that Peter called this spirit the’ spirit of Christ’ because it is associated with Christ and foretold of Christ, NOT because Christ was actually alive during the OT and his actual spirit was alive in the OT. The prophets were given the spirit of Christ for deep insight and to understand his future works and who he was as the true Son of God.

the BIGGEST ERROR of them all.
ok apak I have a question to disprove your point here above.

Isaiah 6:1 "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isaiah 6:2 "Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isaiah 6:3 "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isaiah 6:4 "And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Isaiah 6:5 "Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts".

Now apak listen real closely to the very next verse,

Isaiah 6:8 "Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me". ok this is the "Lord", the King, the "LORD".

now apak is this the Lord JESUS, yes or NO? ..... .

PICJAG.

 

[101G]

"Diversified Oneness", answering the hard question many a Christian cannot with their doctrine of the trinity.

coming hard question to answer.
#1. "The Return of the Lord Jesus".
Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom".

Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

#2. "The Subjection of Christ in God".
1 Corinthians 15:27 & 28 "For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all".

#3. "Who chose Paul, then Saul while on the road to Damascus?
A. Was it the "Father" who chose Paul?. B. was it the "Son"?
Acts 9:15 "But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

#4. "The Father is Greater than I" question.
John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I".

#5. "JESUS, the another Comforter, the Holy Spirit".
John 14:16-18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".

these are just a few to get us started. if any trinitarian would like to apply their understanding to these question please do. the floor is OPEN.

PICJAG.

I'll be looking for your answers. I'm sure the church fathers in their creed can explain these question easly.

 

[APAK]

First thanks for your reply,

your first ERROR, Spirit here is capitalized, indicating the Holy Spirit..

Yes, Indicating his dispensation to come.

Second ERROR, 1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. let's see if this is in the OT Deuteronomy 32:3 "Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deuteronomy 32:4 "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
yes, the bible say he is the

Isaiah 4:4 "When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
so that want fly.

another ERROR

another ERROR, scripture, Luke 1:17 "And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord".
the spirit of Elijah was "NOT" in John. what is ment by "in the spirit and power of Elias" is in LIKENESS". no spirit of Elijah was "IN". another ERROR.

Another ERROR, the spirit of wisdom is a gift from the Spirit. example, James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him".

ERROR, Ephesians 4:7 "But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
that's God's the Lord Jesus, that is RESTED, not given, not in this LIFE, but the one to come. I suggest you read, 2 Peter 1:3 "According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

it's the SAME ONE Spirit that worketh all in all.

My God how hard is it to understand.


the BIGGEST ERROR of them all.
ok apak I have a question to disprove your point here above.

Isaiah 6:1 "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
Isaiah 6:2 "Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
Isaiah 6:3 "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Isaiah 6:4 "And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.
Isaiah 6:5 "Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts".

Now apak listen real closely to the very next verse,

Isaiah 6:8 "Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me". ok this is the "Lord", the King, the "LORD".

now apak is this the Lord JESUS, yes or NO? ..... .

PICJAG.

Well there comes a point when one has to say enough is enough of your incomprehensible and one-sided comments, 101G. I'm done writing to you at this point as you are a very difficult person to understand and then attempt to communicate views. You have no patience to discuss and provide a two-way exchange of ideas. And coming from me means I've tried a bit, said not in pride but humbleness.

I've tried to discuss your beliefs to no avail, with honesty and clarity. You on the other hand respond with your typical deceptive words, accusations that have no merit you call errors of others, instant diversionary 'jumps' to many other scriptures aimed at diversions and repelling anything contrary or words that may 'kill' your wild hypothesis. You are hell-bent on peddling your wares no matter was anyone says, at least to mine. And these verses you present have no clear logical flow or cohesion in thought to where one can even try to understand them.

I've read your writings on this false doctrine over several years now, on several web sites besides this one. You have not changed in your responses to others where you sense they are threatening your core beliefs. It must be heck for you having to expend lots of energy to defend unscriptural ideas.

You responded to my last post by saying I have an (first) error in understanding 1 Peter 1:11, as if you need to quickly discredit me and my words with a really ridiculous comment. This is a typical tactic of yours, seen in your writings for many years. You then follow claiming I've made more errors based on scripture I've never analyzed or discussed with you before. Are you kidding me mate! You are killing me with your persistent parroting of verse you do not understand. That's why I decided to discuss a verse at a time, as in 1 Peter 1:11 first.

You thought you explained 1 Peter 1:11 with a ridiculous statement. I have asked twice now for you to explain yourself and you think I do not deserve an answer I guess, or you do not know how to perform the analysis and report.

Instead, you just said my first error is that I did not capitalize the word 'spirit' because it means the Holy Spirit. And that was you analysis in total.

So you think that the original parchments in Greek for example had the first letter of the Greek word πνευμα (transliterated as pneuma) as a capital letter and the rest as lower case letters. To educate you a bit: They were all written in Capitals, including ALL other words. The English interpreters and translators made the distinction at their own discretion, by either making the English word 'Spirit' 'SPIRIT' or 'spirit.' Anyway, either you are know of your deliberate deflection from my point or you are ignorant about it. THE SPIRIT IS STILL THE SPIRIT OF GOD and the Father NOT Jesus, as I said before. How ridiculous is your claim that Jesus is the spirit of God or Yahweh, God Almighty!

And then you ramble onto more scripture verses I NEVER discussed with you at this point and say I MADE more ERRORS with them (are you ridiculous or what mate?) ​

I have to be honest in my view of your writings 101G thus far, and until further evidence arrives to prove me wrong, you must be a Biblical simpleton, plain and simple.

May God let you understand and know he is in control of Jesus and you, yesterday and today. And not that Jesus is the Holy Spirit (SPIRIT) or spirit who usurps the Father's presence and position as the source of life, as you believe today!


APAK

 

[101G]

Well there comes a point when one has to say enough is enough of your incomprehensible and one-sided comments, 101G. I'm done writing to you at this point as you are a very difficult person to understand and then attempt to communicate views. You have no patience to discuss and provide a two-way exchange of ideas. And coming from me means I've tried a bit, said not in pride but humbleness.

I've tried to discuss your beliefs to no avail, with honesty and clarity. You on the other hand respond with your typical deceptive words, accusations that have no merit you call errors of others, instant diversionary 'jumps' to many other scriptures aimed at diversions and repelling anything contrary or words that may 'kill' your wild hypothesis. You are hell-bent on peddling your wares no matter was anyone says, at least to mine. And these verses you present have no clear logical flow or cohesion in thought to where one can even try to understand them.

I've read your writings on this false doctrine over several years now, on several web sites besides this one. You have not changed in your responses to others where you sense they are threatening your core beliefs. It must be heck for you having to expend lots of energy to defend unscriptural ideas.

You responded to my last post by saying I have an (first) error in understanding 1 Peter 1:11, as if you need to quickly discredit me and my words with a really ridiculous comment. This is a typical tactic of yours, seen in your writings for many years. You then follow claiming I've made more errors based on scripture I've never analyzed or discussed with you before. Are you kidding me mate! You are killing me with your persistent parroting of verse you do not understand. That's why I decided to discuss a verse at a time, as in 1 Peter 1:11 first.

You thought you explained 1 Peter 1:11 with a ridiculous statement. I have asked twice now for you to explain yourself and you think I do not deserve an answer I guess, or you do not know how to perform the analysis and report.

Instead, you just said my first error is that I did not capitalize the word 'spirit' because it means the Holy Spirit. And that was you analysis in total.

So you think that the original parchments in Greek for example had the first letter of the Greek word πνευμα (transliterated as pneuma) as a capital letter and the rest as lower case letters. To educate you a bit: They were all written in Capitals, including ALL other words. The English interpreters and translators made the distinction at their own discretion, by either making the English word 'Spirit' 'SPIRIT' or 'spirit.' Anyway, either you are know of your deliberate deflection from my point or you are ignorant about it. THE SPIRIT IS STILL THE SPIRIT OF GOD and the Father NOT Jesus, as I said before. How ridiculous is your claim that Jesus is the spirit of God or Yahweh, God Almighty!

And then you ramble onto more scripture verses I NEVER discussed with you at this point and say I MADE more ERRORS with them (are you ridiculous or what mate?) ​

I have to be honest in my view of your writings 101G thus far, and until further evidence arrives to prove me wrong, you must be a Biblical simpleton, plain and simple.

May God let you understand and know he is in control of Jesus and you, yesterday and today. And not that Jesus is the Holy Spirit (SPIRIT) or spirit who usurps the Father's presence and position as the source of life, as you believe today!


APAK

first thanks for the reply, second, I can take this as you cannot answer the Isaiah chapter 6 question?

PICJAG.

 

[Taken]

conclusion: the Letter is from "one" person. so there is no trinity.

PICJAG.

I have NO problem with the WORD....TRINITY.

Tri- THREE
United - ONE

To me it is simple...ONE, with the understanding of THREE highlighted things, that are NECESSARY to make the ONE WHOLE.

My issue is SOME PEOPLE act as though THEY have a COPYRIGHT and OWN the word TRINITY.

That IF a person SAYS, ya sure I can see the THREE highlighted teaching ABOUT ONE God....

And IF a person says, TRINITY....that is supposed to INSTANTLY MEAN....
"ACCEPTING" other mens "DOCTRINE" of the TRINITY.

Personally, I DO NOT, accept other mens DOCTRINE of HOW THEY TEACH THEIR DOCTRINE...."a man, a God, a Spirit"....all called separate persons, who are ONE God."
Uh, no.

My perspective is:

ONE SPIRITUAL GOD, whose;
"WILL, WORD, POWER"
are highlighted,
always Together, always in Agreement.

And MAN is Carnal, Mortal and naturally in Conflict, between his own will, word, power....

Until such time a natural man, can hear, learn, receive, and be LIKE Christ...that the mans own....will, word, power....are in Agreement.

Just saying, it is not the WORD "TRINITY", I reject.....it is the "pretense" that WORD is copyrighted to mean AGREEMENT with the "DOCTRINE of the TRINITY" men have decided.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.

I have NO problem with the WORD....TRINITY.

me neither, it's just the doctrine I'm aganist that bared by that name.

To me it is simple...ONE, with the understanding of THREE highlighted things, that are NECESSARY to make the ONE WHOLE

yes, simply, in 3 dispensations of God.
first dispensation (Spirit, title, Father), Creator, and Maker of All things, hence the reconciling of John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24.

Second dispensation, (spirit, title, Son), Redeeemer and Saviour of All Things

Third dispensation, (Spirit, NOT a title, but the Epithet, "Holy Spirit"), Comforter, and Mediator of All things

Father and Son are only titles of his first two dispensation, now which he is glorified in the new body, hence the NEW CREATION. the first fruit of all creation.

My issue is SOME PEOPLE act as though THEY have a COPYRIGHT and OWN the word TRINITY.

if it's not of God and it's man made, then a man can put a copyright on it. but if it's of God then it's FREE unto all men.

My perspective is:

ONE SPIRITUAL GOD, whose;
"WILL, WORD, POWER"
are highlighted,
always Together, always in Agreement.

this is easy to answer, do anyone have conflict with themselves? which you answered below.

And MAN is Carnal, Mortal and naturally in Conflict, between his own will, word, power....

100% BINGO, I hope all those who want to use the Malachi pharse "God change not". I suggest you read what Taken just posted. and read it again.

Until such time a natural man, can hear, learn, receive, and be LIKE Christ...that the mans own....will, word, power....are in Agreement.

Well, Well, Well, spoke like a true man of God. "apak" do you have your ears on. see true Christians can discuss the word of God in TRUTH. not in Conflict. ..... (smile)..lol.
I must say "THANK YOU" Taken, that's a mout full, and correct. I must use that.

dave, apak, you both need to read that again......

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

GINOLJC, to all.

me neither, it's just the doctrine I'm aganist that bared by that name.

yes, simply, in 3 dispensations of God.
first dispensation (Spirit, title, Father), Creator, and Maker of All things, hence the reconciling of John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24.

Second dispensation, (spirit, title, Son), Redeeemer and Saviour of All Things

Third dispensation, (Spirit, NOT a title, but the Epithet, "Holy Spirit"), Comforter, and Mediator of All things

Father and Son are only titles of his first two dispensation, now which he is glorified in the new body, hence the NEW CREATION. the first fruit of all creation.

if it's not of God and it's man made, then a man can put a copyright on it. but if it's of God then it's FREE unto all men.

this is easy to answer, do anyone have conflict with themselves? which you answered below.

100% BINGO, I hope all those who want to use the Malachi pharse "God change not". I suggest you read what Taken just posted. and read it again.

Well, Well, Well, spoke like a true man of God. "apak" do you have your ears on. see true Christians can discuss the word of God in TRUTH. not in Conflict. ..... (smile)..lol.
I must say "THANK YOU" Taken, that's a mout full, and correct. I must use that.

dave, apak, you both need to read that again......

PICJAG.

You deny Christ's divinity making him created by the Holy Spirit. Also by confusing his two natures you teach pantheism. Chalcedon refuted your claims in the early Church saying: Broken into parts for ease of reading.

Chalcedonian Creed

We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach people to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood;

truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body;

consubstantial [co-essential] with the Father according to the Godhead, and consubstantial with us according to the Manhood;

in all things like unto us, without sin;

begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood;
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> one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably;

> the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ;
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as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning Him, and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.

 

[101G]

I see no trinitarians are takers of the hard question posted at #373, Oh well..... :)
let's get it started.

#1. "The Return of the Lord Jesus".
Matthew 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom".

Mark 9:1 "And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

I'll make it short and simple. our Lord's return is a two fold return. what do we mean. his return are in two parts. yes, two parts. according to the scriptures above, they are audience relevance, meaning in their LIFETIME. so when did the Lord Jesus returned in their LIFETIME in the power of his Kingdom, and when many stand there did not taste death? answer on the Day of Pentecost. in the Power of his Glorification, his Kingdom the Spirit, he came to them in the "MANIFESTATION" of the Spirit Gifts. so his first part of his two fold return is in (Spirit), unseen, but manifested in the Spiritual Gifts.

his second return is for every eye to see. this is the return many Christian are waiting for and know of, or about. his first return, (in Spirit), the world did not see, but this one, every eye will see. the second fold return will be in bodily Form, (hence the reason why every eye will see him).

so this is the revelation to the above hard question .... now answered and cleared up.

see, only "diversified Onessness" reveals the Spirit and the Spirit diversified in flesh.

PICJAG.

 

[Dave L]

I see no trinitarians are takers of the hard question posted at #373, Oh well..... :)
let's get it started.


I'll make it short and simple. our Lord's return is a two fold return. what do we mean. his return are in two parts. yes, two parts. according to the scriptures above, they are audience relevance, meaning in their LIFETIME. so when did the Lord Jesus returned in their LIFETIME in the power of his Kingdom, and when many stand there did not taste death? answer on the Day of Pentecost. in the Power of his Glorification, his Kingdom the Spirit, he came to them in the "MANIFESTATION" of the Spirit Gifts. so his first part of his two fold return is in (Spirit), unseen, but manifested in the Spiritual Gifts.

his second return is for every eye to see. this is the return many Christian are waiting for and know of, or about. his first return, (in Spirit), the world did not see, but this one, every eye will see. the second fold return will be in bodily Form, (hence the reason why every eye will see him).

so this is the revelation to the above hard question .... now answered and cleared up.

see, only "diversified Onessness" reveals the Spirit and the Spirit diversified in flesh.

PICJAG.

You do not understand that what you say is meaningless to anyone who knows scripture. (I do not read your posts beyond a paragraph or so). And you making Jesus created means he is not God = Spirit of Antichrist according to John. And you making him human only = pantheism.