The Coming Rapture

[Spiritual Israelite]

Wow
I don't see how anyone can take you seriously.
Just pathetic

Great response. Just as productive as the rest of your useless responses.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yep
Blew his mind.
All he could do was personal attack.

Humorous actually.

So, you don't think you have to explain how the elect will be gathered from up in the earth's atmosphere rather than from the surface of the earth? You can just make a ridiculous claim like that without any explanation for what it means? Are you afraid to show that that means?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, that teaches one body while scripture says there are two. Not one verse teaches the saved will return to their old bodies. Paul is clear a new body exists right now in heaven.

It says the dead in Christ will be resurrected and changed. What exactly will be resurrected and changed if not their old bodies? No, Paul does NOT clearly indicate that there is a new body right now in heaven. That's nonsense. No one is going to heaven when Jesus returns. We're meeting Him in the air.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture.

How are you coming to this conclusion exactly?

 

[rebuilder 454]

How are you coming to this conclusion exactly?

I think like manner is the rapture. Not the second coming

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think like manner is the rapture. Not the second coming

I agree that it's the rapture, but the rapture happens at the second coming. They are not two different events.

We all agree that the following passage is about the rapture. It specifically mentions it as being related directly to the second coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We are worthy by the blood, and we cannot do it ourselves.

Who said anything about saving ourselves???

Those living in sin after having once been saved have willingly and knowingly turned away from the Lord and have become corrupt.

Hebrews 10:29
Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

So called "once saved always saved" is false doctrine not supported by God's Word

 

[JLB]

I think like manner is the rapture. Not the second coming

The resurrection and rapture occur at the second coming of Christ.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

 

[rebuilder 454]

The resurrection and rapture occur at the second coming of Christ.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

Context.
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Now we can see what is actually said.
We meet them in the air.
Nothing in there is the second coming to earth on white horses.
Take a look at Rev 19.
That is the second coming.
Then look at all the rapture verses.
Then look at all the verses where the AC kills all refusing the mark.
Then look at the bride and bridegroom dynamic...which is the rapture.

Postrib rapture was poorly thought out.
We need to adhere to the bible.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I agree that it's the rapture, but the rapture happens at the second coming. They are not two different events.

We all agree that the following passage is about the rapture. It specifically mentions it as being related directly to the second coming.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 these 4 is the gathering of the bride. All of it, both those in graves and alive ones.

Rev 19 is the second coming.

Two totally different dynamics.

It is impossible to make it fit, the 2 settings alone are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
Plus the AC kills all refusing the mark.

The church age ends with the mass martyrdom of Christians.
The trib is Jacob's trouble.
The bride is gathered first ,pretrib .as Jesus declared.
Then God turns to the Jews ( the wife gone awhoring).

Only pretrib harmonizes with heavens purpose.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The resurrection and rapture occur at the second coming of Christ.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

Such a simple truth, yet pretribs don't understand it at all. They make what is simple very convoluted instead.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Context.
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Now we can see what is actually said.
We meet them in the air.
Nothing in there is the second coming to earth on white horses.

Your arguments from silence are not valid. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is not symbolic like Revelation 19:11-21 is, so there's no reason to think it would mention white horses there. And, Revelation 19:11-21 says nothing about Christ coming to earth.

Do you think that there are any other passages in scripture which speak of the same event as Revelation 19:11-21? Apparently not, since no other passages speak of "the second coming to earth on white horses".

 

[rebuilder 454]

Great response. Just as productive as the rest of your useless responses.

It is the exact words you aimed at me.

(Push back.)
You just called your own deal useless.

Your arguments from silence are not valid. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 is not symbolic like Revelation 19:11-21 is, so there's no reason to think it would mention white horses there. And, Revelation 19:11-21 says nothing about Christ coming to earth.

Do you think that there are any other passages in scripture which speak of the same event as Revelation 19:11-21? Apparently not, since no other passages speak of "the second coming to earth on white horses".

Rev 19
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Hard to wiggle out of the second coming on white horses

No mention of white horses in 1 thes 4 because the rapture is not the second coming.
Thanks for illustrating that.

...a shame that you change Rev 19.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Such a simple truth, yet pretribs don't understand it at all. They make what is simple very convoluted instead.

All pretribs believe the resurrection and the rapture occur at Christ's coming.

So simple

 

[rebuilder 454]

Such a simple truth, yet pretribs don't understand it at all. They make what is simple very convoluted instead.

We are not the ones changing Rev 19.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The resurrection and rapture occur at the second coming of Christ.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
1 Thessalonians 4:15

Yes.
Pretrib rapture teaches exactly that.

I have something postribs are missing.
I took the time to learn postribber doctrine.
You do not know pretrib rapture doctrine.