The Coming Rapture

[Taken]

"Converted Believers", whatever that even means.

I know how someone is converted.

Fascinating. You know “how” one is “converted”, but know NOT what Converted means!

How does this contrast believers with converted believers? It's talking about sinners being converted. They're not converted until they believe.

They are NOT CONVERTED…
Until;
* The Believe IN THEIR Heart!
And
* Confess the Belief IN their Heart.

I see you are unfamiliar with the Concept of Tasting and spitting it OUT …And Tasting, then Eating!

As well you are unfamiliar with Confessing Belief with one’s MINDS thoughts, (Not his Hearts Thoughts), that no one Including God Cares About your Mindful Thoughts.

Lots of people say, I believe, I believe, from their MINDS Thoughts…then another day Say, they don’t believe!
They are Not Converted.
They WERE on the narrow path. They didn’t stumble, get back up and continue on That Path…They Spit out the Word of God and abandoned that Path, Making their Stand Against God.

While Hearing, believing, Tasting, they are Blessed with Measures of Faith from God.

IF and When they Stop Tasting, Never Eat the Word of God, They Stop receiving Enlightenment and Faith…and Fall AWAY From Faith.

That is A MINDFUL believer…that Can and Does Fall away….and Never becomes;
Forgiven,
Soul Saved,
Heart Circumcised,
Spirit Born Again,
And with The Lord God forever.

Heb 6:
[4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


@Spiritual ISRAELITE…”You make no sense.”

Thank you.
The natural man attempts to Understand Spiritual things with his natural MIND, and it is a fail.

I speak according to Spiritual Understanding and it is CONTESTED by you and Your Mindful Logical Sense Understanding.

1 Cor 2:
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Fascinating. You know “how” one is “converted”, but know NOT what Converted means!

Who are you to tell me that I don't know what converted means?

They are NOT CONVERTED…
Until;
* The Believe IN THEIR Heart!
And
* Confess the Belief IN their Heart.

Of course. Hello? I didn't say otherwise. I agree with this, yet you are trying to tell me I don't know what it means? You cannot be "Taken" seriously.

I see you are unfamiliar with the Concept of Tasting and spitting it OUT …And Tasting, then Eating!

LOL. I'm not wasting any more time on your nonsense.

 

[rebuilder 454]

LOL. You can't be taken seriously even a tiny bit when you say nonsense like this. Tell me exactly how the elect will be gathered from the earth's atmosphere? Who are the elect that hang out in the earth's atmosphere that the angels will be gathering? LOL. Such nonsense.


LOL. What is your point here? What difference does this make?


I don't ignore that, liar. The ones gathered from heaven are the souls of the dead in Christ. The ones gathered from earth are the resurrected dead in Christ who unite with their souls and those who are alive and remain. Very simple.


LOL. As if that means anything at all! LOL. You are hilarious. That Matthew 24:31 doesn't refer to the elect being gathered from the earth does not change the fact that it is recorded in Mark 13:27 and doesn't make Mark 13:27 any less true. Good grief, your comments are more ridiculous than anyone could even imagine.

lol
Maye take off those cumbersome low vision goggles and learn the extremity of earth is its atmosphere.

You really did not know that earth is made up of the planet and its atmosphere?
News flash. The atmosphere IS the OUTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH.



...and yes, It is difficult to take someone seriously that has such little understanding.

What Is... Earth's Atmosphere? - NASA

Imagine a layer cake, wrapping around the Earth. That is essentially what the Earth’s atmosphere is like: layers upon layers of gas surrounding the Earth,

www.nasa.gov

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Is the atmosphere a part of Earth?Yes, the atmosphere is part of the Earth and as others here have stated the atmosphere thins (decreases in density) with height.​

sorry for the let down

 

[Taken]

Nowhere does scripture speak of "believers" and "Converted Believers", whatever that even means. You speak nothing but gibberish and you can't be "Taken" seriously at all.

Who are you to tell me that I don't know what converted means?

I quoted your own words!

And now you accuse me of Saying What you said for yourself.

You are not equipped to have a meaningful conversation.

 

[ewq1938]

His same body that was in the tomb was changed. He still had the nail prints in His hands and the wound in His side.

Likewise it will be the same for us.

Nope. Our new body is in heaven right now, before our current body is dead. It is the new body in heaven we will get, not our old body changed. The raptured saints will have an immortal body that was the old mortal body changed into immortal though. The saved dead do not return to their old bodies because of the new body that is waiting in heaven for them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

lol
Maye take off those cumbersome low vision goggles and learn the extremity of earth is its atmosphere.

You really did not know that earth is made up of the planet and its atmosphere?
News flash. The atmosphere IS the OUTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH.



...and yes, It is difficult to take someone seriously that has such little understanding.

What Is... Earth's Atmosphere? - NASA

Imagine a layer cake, wrapping around the Earth. That is essentially what the Earth’s atmosphere is like: layers upon layers of gas surrounding the Earth,

www.nasa.gov

​

​

from;​

Earth Science Stack Exchange

Q&A for those interested in the geology, meteorology, oceanography, and environmental sciences

earthscience.stackexchange.com

Is the atmosphere a part of Earth?Yes, the atmosphere is part of the Earth and as others here have stated the atmosphere thins (decreases in density) with height.​

sorry for the let down

Goodness sakes, are you for real? We're talking about the gathering of the elect here, not a lesson on what the atmosphere is. LOL. You're trying to distract attention away from how your doctrine does not support the gathering of the elect from the earth after the tribulation. Jesus said the elect will be gathered from the uttermost part of the earth after the tribulation (Mark 13:27). What exactly are you saying that means? Stop the insanity and talk like an adult. Grow up, please. Stop this nonsense about the atmosphere and tell me exactly what it means for the elect to be gathered from the uttermost part of the earth. There are no elect that will be gathered from the atmosphere. LOL. What would that even mean? Please answer the question.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I quoted your own words!

And now you accuse me of Saying What you said for yourself.

You are not equipped to have a meaningful conversation.

What is with all you children on here? You're unable to even have an adult discussion. You have never learned how to read or communicate. Where does it talk in scripture about believers and converted believers? You are the one who brought that up, so tell me where you are getting that from in scripture? Is this question too hard for you?

 

[JLB]

The saved dead do not return to their old bodies because of the new body that is waiting in heaven for them.

The dead in Christ will receive their new body at the resurrection in which the dead body that was in the grave, will be resurrected in which it will be changed.

• For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
• and this mortal must put on immortality.

Case closed!


in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
1 Corinthians 15:52-54

 

[Taken]

What is with all you children on here? You're unable to even have an adult discussion. You have never learned how to read or communicate. Where does it talk in scripture about believers and converted believers? You are the one who brought that up, so tell me where you are getting that from in scripture? Is this question too hard for you?

Your questions were answered.

This is not taught anywhere in scripture. Nowhere does scripture speak of "believers" and "Converted Believers", whatever that even means. You speak nothing but gibberish and you can't be "Taken" seriously at all.

Your Claim debunked.

I know how someone is converted. Show me where scripture talks about believers and contrasts them with converted believers.


How does this contrast believers with converted believers? It's talking about sinners being converted. They're not converted until they believe. You make no sense. I can say the same thing about the other verses that you try to use to support this idea that comes only from your imagination and not from scripture.

Belief is a BEGINNING step.

…a man who IS believing, IS Gifted by God With …”A MEASURE of Faith”.

…a man who STOPS Believing, no longer receives “INCREASED MEASURES of FAITH”!

…a man who REJECTS, DENIES, PROMOTES non-BELIEF…Has:
HAD Faith and “Fallen Away from Faith”
Or
Never Had Faith, and Rejected Receiving Faith.

…a man who heard, read scripture, Believes, receives a measure of Faith…
And Continues …
hearing, reading, learning, Believing…
Continues Receiving “INCREASE measures of Faith.”

…None of THAT ^^^ “Establishes” A man “HAS” or “WILL” Receive Gods GIFT of “Salvation”.

You Talk about…Belief, Making Sense, Christians, wondering about Conversion, saying you know what Conversion IS, yet seemingly wonder what it Isn’t .

Making sense, IS the Works of A Carnal Mind, to Logically decipher between this knowledge and that knowledge… to Logically Mindfully Land on a Position that seems most creditable to your Mindful understanding.

God is NOT interested in Your Carnal Minded Ciphered Logical Conclusions!

Rom 8:
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 8:
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

And WHY, Having a conversation about Spiritual things, with a person whose side of the conversation IS Carnally Minded, IS NOT meaningful.

Numerous times I have said, mentioned…
Gods Order and Way.

It is a Step by Step process “For the individual man” to hear, know, learn, trust, Follow through, or Reject.

God “OFFERS” His Order, His Way, His Gifts, His Blessings, His Rewards, His Treasures.

Individuals…DO NOT RECEIVE, Gods Gifts, Blessings, Rewards, Treasures….
Simply because they are Offered and Available!!!

An OFFERED, Gift, Prize, Reward, Treasure, Blessing. Loan, Proposal, Position, Partnership, etc.
“IS NOT forced, IS NOT possessed by a Person….
UNTIL the person AGREES TO the TERMS (Order and Way)…
AND that individual Person;
Reaches out their OWN Hand and TAKES the Offering”!!!

Faith IS an Offering of God.
Conversion is an Offering of God.
With God is an Offering of God.
Peace is an Offering of God.
Joy is an Offering of God.
Comfort is an Offering of God.
Safety is an Offering of God.
Be Like God is an Offering of God.
Forgiveness is an Offering of God.
Restoration is an Offering of God.
ANew is an Offering of God.
Perfection is an Offering of God.
Holiness is an Offering of God.
Escape / Avoidance From Gods Anger, Wrath, Tribulations is an Offering of God.
Forever Life is An Offering of God.
With God Forever is a Offering of God.
On and On…

If you do NOT KNOW the Difference of what A Naturally Born Human Being Does NOT Have…
And what a Natural Born Human Being “that HAS” reached out and “Taken” all the Things God Has OFFERED…IS wrapped up, ESTABLISHED, ACCOMPLISHED IN the One Word “CONVERTED”…

You might do well to Learn About All of Gods Offerings and decide IF it suits yourself to Take His Offerings (or not)…and not worry about what OTHERS choose for themselves.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your questions were answered.

They were not.

Your Claim debunked.

Only in your mind. It's a complete waste of time trying to discuss something with someone like you who has no idea how to communicate.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The dead in Christ will receive their new body at the resurrection in which the dead body that was in the grave, will be resurrected in which it will be changed.

• For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
• and this mortal must put on immortality.

Case closed!


in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
1 Corinthians 15:52-54

Right. It would not be a resurrection if it's not their old bodies that are resurrected. It says the dead will be resurrected. What else will be resurrected except for their dead bodies? Their dead bodies will be resurrected and then instantly changed to be incorruptible and immortal and then they will be caught up together with those who are alive and remain to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thess 4:14-17).

 

[Taken]

The Coming Rapture​

Praise God…For THEY Converted “IN” Christ, an Escape, a Deliverance From the Coming Wrath and Tribulations To Be Sent Down From Heaven.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Keraz]

The Coming Rapture​

Praise God…For THEY Converted “IN” Christ, an Escape, a Deliverance From the Coming Wrath and Tribulations To Be Sent Down From Heaven.

Glory to God,
Taken

But God does not rapture/ remove anyone from His coming wrath and from conquest by Satanic forces. Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2, Revelation 13:5-7
We must face trials and testing and the raising of all the dead will happen after the thousand year Millennium of Jesus. Revelation 20:4-5

 

[Taken]

But God does not rapture/ remove anyone from His coming wrath and from conquest by Satanic forces.

Everyone HAS An Appointment with Death.

Not Everyone HAS An Appointment with Wrath sent down from Heaven.

1 Thes. 5:
[9] For God hath not appointed is to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

If you are NOT included in “us” who HAS Obtained Salvation, by Lord Jesus….
Surely IF you be Alive During the Later Days Of Wrath Sent Down From Heaven…
You should, according to Gods Word, Order, Way, fully expect to experience Wrath Sent down from Heaven.

Why would you believe otherwise?

Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2, Revelation 13:5-7
We must face trials and testing and the raising of all the dead will happen after the thousand year Millennium of Jesus. Revelation 20:4-5

Where have you been?
Daily Men and the World at Large Face Tribulations, Trials, Testing!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture.

Yep, that's the Second Coming of Christ.

At the rapture of the Church Jesus comes for His bride. All go the heaven.

Not those who disbelieve there is a catching away of the church.

Jesus said according to one's faith it will be done unto them which is reaping what we sow.... those who think there is no rapture will not be taken by the Lord which doesn't necessarily mean they are not born again... it just means according to their faith it will be done unto them

After the rapture there will be lots and lots of opportunity for ministry so those left behind can be witnesses.

Plus, there's lots of people who claim to be Christians who are living in sin and they won't be taken either as the Lord is coming back for a church that is without spot or wrinkle and those backsliders (Christian in name only) won't be going

 

[Taken]

Nope. Our new body is in heaven right now, before our current body is dead. It is the new body in heaven we will get, not our old body changed.

I think it is Both.
Old body “of” Saints IN Christ…washed “prepared” for” Redemption, Calling, Rising up, to meet the Lord in the air/ Clouds. They having PUT ON “immortality”, by the Power of God, who IS Christ.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ewq1938]

The dead in Christ will receive their new body at the resurrection in which the dead body that was in the grave, will be resurrected in which it will be changed.

No, that teaches one body while scripture says there are two. Not one verse teaches the saved will return to their old bodies. Paul is clear a new body exists right now in heaven.

 

[The Light]

Not those who disbelieve there is a catching away of the church.

Jesus said according to one's faith it will be done unto them which is reaping what we sow.... those who think there is no rapture will not be taken by the Lord which doesn't necessarily mean they are not born again... it just means according to their faith it will be done unto them

Very interesting observation. Here is something along those lines. To those who look for Him will He appear a second time.

Hebrews 9
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

After the rapture there will be lots and lots of opportunity for ministry so those left behind can be witnesses.

Plus, there's lots of people who claim to be Christians who are living in sin and they won't be taken either as the Lord is coming back for a church that is without spot or wrinkle and those backsliders (Christian in name only) won't be going

I'm not sure what happens. We are worthy by the blood, and we cannot do it ourselves.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Goodness sakes, are you for real? We're talking about the gathering of the elect here, not a lesson on what the atmosphere is. LOL. You're trying to distract attention away from how your doctrine does not support the gathering of the elect from the earth after the tribulation. Jesus said the elect will be gathered from the uttermost part of the earth after the tribulation (Mark 13:27). What exactly are you saying that means? Stop the insanity and talk like an adult. Grow up, please. Stop this nonsense about the atmosphere and tell me exactly what it means for the elect to be gathered from the uttermost part of the earth. There are no elect that will be gathered from the atmosphere. LOL. What would that even mean? Please answer the question.

Wow
I don't see how anyone can take you seriously.
Just pathetic

 

[rebuilder 454]

lol
Maye take off those cumbersome low vision goggles and learn the extremity of earth is its atmosphere.

You really did not know that earth is made up of the planet and its atmosphere?
News flash. The atmosphere IS the OUTERMOST PART OF THE EARTH.



...and yes, It is difficult to take someone seriously that has such little understanding.

What Is... Earth's Atmosphere? - NASA

Imagine a layer cake, wrapping around the Earth. That is essentially what the Earth’s atmosphere is like: layers upon layers of gas surrounding the Earth,

www.nasa.gov

​

​

from;​

Earth Science Stack Exchange

Q&A for those interested in the geology, meteorology, oceanography, and environmental sciences

earthscience.stackexchange.com

Is the atmosphere a part of Earth?Yes, the atmosphere is part of the Earth and as others here have stated the atmosphere thins (decreases in density) with height.​

sorry for the let down

Yep
Blew his mind.
All he could do was personal attack.

Humorous actually.