The Coming Rapture

[The Light]

Yes literally REMAIN....exactly like it says.

Ok

Caught up exactly like it says.

Ok

Meeting those resurrected 3 minutes ago in the air...exactly like it says.

I don't see any verse that says 3 minutes ago.

No reason to make it says something else

Then why are you claiming the 3 minutes ago theory. I see no such verses.

Unless you torture it into a fitment of something you need it to say

I don't need it to anything. I just understand that barley and wheat are not harvested at the same time.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Greek means to have survived something, which would be the trib. Those raptured lived through the trib and are raptured. Teh rapture is post-trib. Any other rapture would be an imitation...by the imitation jesus.

Of course those remaining survive something.
Just as you have.
Just as every person not in the gt has and is surviving.

Why do folks need to torture verses??

 

[rebuilder 454]

Ok

Ok

I don't see any verse that says 3 minutes ago.

Then why are you claiming the 3 minutes ago theory. I see no such verses.


I don't need it to anything. I just understand that barley and wheat are not harvested at the same time.

Yes you need it to be so.
As you are demonstrating.

Yes they are harvested one before the other.
That fact is not in any way some green light to change the verse

You changed it big time.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Ok

Ok

I don't see any verse that says 3 minutes ago.

Then why are you claiming the 3 minutes ago theory. I see no such verses.


I don't need it to anything. I just understand that barley and wheat are not harvested at the same time.

It is a no braimer that the spirits of those dead in Christ enter their dead bodies AT THEIR RESURRECTION.
NO BRAINER.

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
We KNOW via Jesus declaration, which is eternally cannonized, that roughly half the church is left behind.
Those saints are MARTYRED ACCORDING TO GODS WORD.

They are in fact CANNONIZED in scripture as an innumerable number.
They are CANNONIZED in scripture as MARTYRED DURING THE TRIB.

Because you do not understand the resurrection , or the purpose of the trib, or the fact that the church age ends AT THE WHEAT HARVEST, ( WHICH IS THE MARTYRDOM of millions / billions refusing the mark) [ the barley harvest],you have invented Jesus taking the resurrected saints and LEAVING THOSE ALIVE saints ON EARTH ( for whatever months you invent)

 

[rebuilder 454]

It appears to be me.


Me.

Don't have one.

Red flags.
Only you are guided by the Holy Spirit.

Nope .
God NEVER WORKS THAT WAY.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Barley and wheat are the dead in Christ and the alive that remain.

The Church is raptured pretrib, so no need to have the Church in the tribulation.

The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. They are the fruit harvest which happens in the fall.............before the wrath of God.

The 7 yr trib is Jacobs trouble.
That is what we read.
I led you to Daniel.
You skipped it apparently.

 

[Davy]

Except we KNOW at the rapture it is normal life, everyday life, everyday activities and commerce.
Who are those killed by the AC....for NOT TAKING THE MARK?
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS KILLED.
POSSIBY A BILLION.
In fact, it says power wad given the AC to overcome the saints.
It SAYS Every man woman and child take the mark not written in the lambs, book a life..
It says there is normal life and commerce AT THE RAPTURE.
Postrib rapture is literally impossible
All rapture verses are given by the Holy Spirit in a different setting than every position, EXCEPT PRETRIB rapture

What do you postribs do with all that?

You've been reading too many Hal LIndsay and Tim LaHaye novels and movies.

If all of us are killed during the "great tribulation", then who is it that Jesus will actually 'rapture' off the earth that remains alive to the day of His coming? And per what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 about the time of His coming to gather His saints, He definitely showed it will be after the tribulation, so that means the Church will... go... through... the... "great tribulation".

 

[The Light]

It is a no braimer that the spirits of those dead in Christ enter their dead bodies AT THEIR RESURRECTION.
NO BRAINER.

Exactly.

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.

Exactly.

We KNOW via Jesus declaration, which is eternally cannonized, that roughly half the church is left behind.

Are have the dead in Christ left behind?

Those saints are MARTYRED ACCORDING TO GODS WORD.

Do you have a scripture to support this?

Matthew 25
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

They are in fact CANNONIZED in scripture as an innumerable number.

That number does not include those that Jesus knows not.

They are CANNONIZED in scripture as MARTYRED DURING THE TRIB.

The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. It is the time of Jacobs trouble. It is not about Gentile Church as they are raptured before the tribulation.

Because you do not understand the resurrection ,

The dead in Christ rise first in the spring as supported by the feast of Pentecost.

or the purpose of the trib,

The tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble. I'm not sure why you think it has anything to do with left behind Gentiles. They were left behind for a reason...........AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT.

or the fact that the church age ends AT THE WHEAT HARVEST,

I am fully aware that the Church age ends at the wheat harvest. You are the one that seems to think that the tribulation is about the left behind Gentiles when it is about the second bride..........the chosen bride.

( WHICH IS THE MARTYRDOM of millions / billions refusing the mark)

Those that get victory over the beast are singing the song of Moses. It is the time of Jacobs trouble when blindness is removed from part of Israel.

[ the barley harvest],you have invented Jesus taking the resurrected saints and LEAVING THOSE ALIVE saints ON EARTH ( for whatever months you invent)

I don't think I invented the barley harvest. The Feast of Pentecost is the time of the barley harvest. Both barley and wheat cakes are presented to the Lord by the priest. Those cakes are made from then harvested barley and from the first fruits of the wheat harvest. The main of the wheat does not occur at the same time as the main harvest of the barley. The dead in Christ rise first, the alive remain until the time of the wheat harvest.

 

[The Light]

Red flags.
Only you are guided by the Holy Spirit.

Nope .
God NEVER WORKS THAT WAY.

Ok. Please provide the website where you learned about two raptures?

You never answer any questions. Let's see your answer to this.

 

[The Light]

The 7 yr trib is Jacobs trouble.
That is what we read.
I led you to Daniel.
You skipped it apparently.

Hey thanks.
I appreciate that you led me to Daniel. I had no idea about the 70th week of Daniel or even that there was a book of Daniel until you led me to it.

You're right I skipped it. One of the main books of end times prophecy, and I skipped it when I was reading the Bible.

I wonder if you could point out any other books of the Bible that I have missed?

 

[The Light]

Yes you need it to be so.
As you are demonstrating.

Yes they are harvested one before the other.
That fact is not in any way some green light to change the verse

You changed it big time.

So you think barley is harvested at the same time as wheat apparently

 

[Taken]

You've been reading too many Hal LIndsay and Tim LaHaye novels and movies.

I’ve never seen such movies or read such books by Lindsey or LaHaye..

If all of us are killed during the "great tribulation",

“all” do not die during the 21 Judgements of the Last days Tribulations sent down from Heaven.

then who is it that Jesus will actually 'rapture' off the earth that remains alive to the day of His coming?

Jesus’ coming and Jesus’ Return are not the Same thing.

Jesus’ Coming is TO the Clouds.
Jesus’ Return is TO the Earth.
“Rapture” is “exclusively” Christs’ Church meeting Lord Jesus IN the Clouds…and SHALL return to Earth “with Him”.

And per what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 about the time of His coming to gather His saints, He definitely showed it will be after the tribulation, so that means the Church will... go... through... the... "great tribulation".

After the Tribulation of “those days”…ie The Seals.
Then does The “Lamb of God” Gather together…the “ELECT”…and the “Elect” are identified as the Tribes of Israel.
And where they ARE GATHERED…
My Sion.

Matt 24:
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rev 14:
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Christ Church is not mentioned being present on Earth during the Tribulations sent from Heaven.

Because Christs Church is Exclusively revealed to have escaped being subject to Gods negative Judgements and Wrath.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rebuilder 454]

You've been reading too many Hal LIndsay and Tim LaHaye novels and movies.

If all of us are killed during the "great tribulation", then who is it that Jesus will actually 'rapture' off the earth that remains alive to the day of His coming? And per what Jesus said in Matthew 24:29-31 about the time of His coming to gather His saints, He definitely showed it will be after the tribulation, so that means the Church will... go... through... the... "great tribulation".

I post verses.
You deflect and omit, then bizarrely point to Hal Lindsay.
Nothing new.
Carry on

 

[rebuilder 454]

So you think barley is harvested at the same time as wheat apparently

Those left behind ones are the wheat harvest....as I have already pointed out.
The rapture is tge barley.
The wheat processed through a "tribulum"...(tribulation.)
Fits like a glove.
No need to insert a delay at the rapture that is NOT there.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I’ve never seen such movies or read such books by Lindsey or LaHaye..

“all” do not die during the 21 Judgements of the Last days Tribulations sent down from Heaven.

Jesus’ coming and Jesus’ Return are not the Same thing.

Jesus’ Coming is TO the Clouds.
Jesus’ Return is TO the Earth.
“Rapture” is “exclusively” Christs’ Church meeting Lord Jesus IN the Clouds…and SHALL return to Earth “with Him”.


After the Tribulation of “those days”…ie The Seals.
Then does The “Lamb of God” Gather together…the “ELECT”…and the “Elect” are identified as the Tribes of Israel.
And where they ARE GATHERED…
My Sion.

Matt 24:
[29] Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Rev 14:
[1] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Christ Church is not mentioned being present on Earth during the Tribulations sent from Heaven.

Because Christs Church is Exclusively revealed to have escaped being subject to Gods negative Judgements and Wrath.

Glory to God,
Taken

Kind of funny how postribbers resort to extra biblical authors to try to find some desperate smoking gun against us.
When in fact, it is they that point to dead men of the early church that they claim have the correct perspective because they were the first church.
The catholics make the same claim.
Loaded with error.!!!!
I find it very humorous. All post tribbers resort to the early church writings, which also frames the core of their teaching as coming from man and not the Bible.
Too funny

 

[The Light]

Those left behind ones are the wheat harvest....as I have already pointed out.
The rapture is tge barley.
The wheat processed through a "tribulum"...(tribulation.)
Fits like a glove.
No need to insert a delay at the rapture that is NOT there.

And as I pointed out, the door was shut................. after the grain harvest.

It is the Jews.........the seed of the woman......the 12 tribes across the earth, that get victory over the beast during the tribulation as the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel.

The Word says alive believers REMAIN UNTIL the coming of the Lord. The only way that is possible is if He comes for the dead in Christ first and then returns for the alive that remain.

In case you missed it, HOW DID YOU LEARN THERE WILL BE TWO RAPTURES. What website or who taught you????????????

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is a no braimer that the spirits of those dead in Christ enter their dead bodies AT THEIR RESURRECTION.
NO BRAINER.

The rapture is the gathering of the bride.
We KNOW via Jesus declaration, which is eternally cannonized, that roughly half the church is left behind.

LOL! Half the church left behind? Total nonsense! Jesus declared no such thing. He would never tell anyone in the church that He doesn't know them, which is what he will tell people that the five foolish virgins represent:

Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

The church consists of those who know Jesus personally. Clearly, those who are like the five foolish virgins in the parable are those who do not know Jesus personally and are not in the church.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Except we KNOW at the rapture it is normal life, everyday life, everyday activities and commerce.
Who are those killed by the AC....for NOT TAKING THE MARK?
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS KILLED.
POSSIBY A BILLION.
In fact, it says power wad given the AC to overcome the saints.
It SAYS Every man woman and child take the mark not written in the lambs, book a life..
It says there is normal life and commerce AT THE RAPTURE.
Postrib rapture is literally impossible
All rapture verses are given by the Holy Spirit in a different setting than every position, EXCEPT PRETRIB rapture

What do you postribs do with all that?

What do you do with the fact that the elect will be gathered from the uttermost part of the earth when Jesus comes AFTER the tribulation? In your view, the elect will all be dead by then. So, what do you think, that the angels will be gathering their dead bodies? LOL.

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

The pretrib rapture is literally impossible because Jesus makes it clear that the rapture will occur "AFTER that tribulation".

 

[Taken]

And as I pointed out, the door was shut................. after the grain harvest.

It is the Jews.........the seed of the woman......the 12 tribes across the earth, that get victory over the beast during the tribulation as the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel.

The Word says alive believers REMAIN UNTIL the coming of the Lord. The only way that is possible is if He comes for the dead in Christ first and then returns for the alive that remain.

In case you missed it, HOW DID YOU LEARN THERE WILL BE TWO RAPTURES. What website or who taught you????????????

There is a remnant of believers that Remain “alive” on Earth…

Belief is NOT the measure to be called:
Christs Church / IN Christ / Made Whole.

One Rapture and it IS; Redemption / Lifting UP, Whole, body, soul, spirit of Christs Church…those MADE whole, those IN Christ.

Believer Does Not Mean “IN” Christ.
Converted “IN” Christ, means “IN” Christ.

Many people believe, but are NOT Converted.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Kind of funny how postribbers resort to extra biblical authors to try to find some desperate smoking gun against us.
When in fact, it is they that point to dead men of the early church that they claim have the correct perspective because they were the first church.
The catholics make the same claim.
Loaded with error.!!!!
I find it very humorous. All post tribbers resort to the early church writings, which also frames the core of their teaching as coming from man and not the Bible.
Too funny

Primarily they use non-specific language, ie. Believer, Christian, Church member, etc.
None of those terms define “Christ’s” Church membership, IN Christ, Converted, Bride of Christ.
Lack of understanding.

Jesus Saves…
God Saves…

They do NOT save the SAME souls.

Rapture…Jesus’ Salvation Manifested.
First Resurrection…Gods Salvation Manifested.

There shall be a First Resurrection for they who bodily Die, being..God Believers, Jesus Believers, whom God shall Save.

Glory to God,
Taken