The Coming Rapture

[rebuilder 454]

First the dead in Christ rose and Jesus took them to heaven.
Then Jesus returned for the alive that remained and brought the dead in Christ with Him.

Then at the 6th seal, immediately after the tribulation, Jesus comes for a harvest. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. The Church is gathered from heaven and the 12 tribes across the earth are gathered from the earth, seen in Revelation 14.

This is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7. Two raptures, grain and fruit.


Pentecost depicts the dead in Christ being raptured. The alive remain until the end of summer, the Feast of New Wine. This is when the Holy Spirit was given to the Church. It's likely Tu B'Av is involved in some way as it is the taking of the Gentile bride.

Then the Feast of Trumpets is the gathering from heaven and earth. The fruit is gathered from the earth, the Jewish harvest. That is why grapes are harvested in Revelation 14 and cast into the wrath of God.

To provoke jealously in the Jews. Revelation 11. Blindness is removed from part of Israel. Revelation 11.

No doubt.

Jacob worked 7 years more for Rachel, the chosen bride.

The final week will begin when a covenant with many is MADE. However, the great tribulation will not begin until the AOD is set up in the midst of the week. When that covenant with many is made the clock starts.

The 7 years are not shortened. It is the great tribulation that is shortened. Tribulation and the wrath of God are not the same thing. The wrath of God is not shortened. It will be one year long.

If the great tribulation is not shortened, there would be no flesh that is raptured alive. All that attain salvation would have to be raised from the dead.


Exactly. This harvest occurs immediately after the tribulation and before the wrath of God. This is the 6th seal harvest seen in Revelation 14 which is the second coming. All go to heaven for the marriage supper. There are two raptures. Jacob had two brides.

Wheat and barley are the Church. This is the grain harvest. Wheat and barley are not harvested at the same time...........hence, the dead in Christ rise first and the alive remain until the wheat harvest.

Fruit is Jews as they are found as grapes in the wilderness.

Spring barley grown in the Northern Hemisphere is typically harvested in July or August while winter barley is harvested in the April or May.

Winter wheat is planted in the fall and goes dormant as it overwinters in the field. When spring arrives, it grows rapidly and is ready for harvest in July. Spring wheat is planted in April or May and grows throughout the spring and early summer. It's harvested in August or September

The rapture is the first grain. Barley

Those left behind are under the "TRIBULUM" (WHEAT).
the innumerable number ( christian martyrs during the trib) are those last part of the church.(wheat)

The Jews are the fruit harvest.
Totally separate harvest.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Right. When the Lord returns for the alive that remain, he brings the dead in Christ with Him.

Barley is not harvested at the same time as wheat.

Practically harvested at the same time depending on weather.
But barley slightly ahead of the wheat.

From "grace communion website",:
“Wheat ripens later than barley and, according to the Gezer Manual, was harvested during the sixth agricultural season, yrh qsr wkl (end of April to end of May)” (page 88; also see the chart on page 37 of Borowski’s book, reproduced below).

 

[rebuilder 454]

Right. When the Lord returns for the alive that remain, he brings the dead in Christ with Him.

Barley is not harvested at the same time as wheat.

...then...we which are alive and remain, meet THEM in the air.

Ahem..same thing as "He started the car ,Then put it in gear."
You inserted "He put it in gear a week later"

 

[ewq1938]

No he didn’t.

The resurrected body of Jesus Christ was eternal in the heavens.

No, that is not what is written.

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

 

[The Light]

...then...we which are alive and remain, meet THEM in the air.

Ahem..same thing as "He started the car ,Then put it in gear."
You inserted "He put it in gear a week later"

Then also means after that; next; afterwards.

Ahem...Same thing as "He won the first game, and THEN the second game.
You deleted "He played two games on two different days"

 

[The Light]

Practically harvested at the same time depending on weather.
But barley slightly ahead of the wheat.

From "grace communion website",:
“Wheat ripens later than barley and, according to the Gezer Manual, was harvested during the sixth agricultural season, yrh qsr wkl (end of April to end of May)” (page 88; also see the chart on page 37 of Borowski’s book, reproduced below).

What is Passover? The first fruits of the barley harvest.
What is Pentecost? The time of the barley harvest and the first fruits of the wheat harvest.
What is the Feast of New Wine? The time of the wheat harvest and the first fruits of the grape harvest.

 

[The Light]

The rapture is the first grain. Barley

The dead in Christ is the barley harvest'

Those left behind are under the "TRIBULUM" (WHEAT).

Those that are alive and remain are raptured at the wheat harvest.

the innumerable number ( christian martyrs during the trib) are those last part of the church.(wheat)

Those raptured during the tribulation that get victory over the beast by the blood of the Lamb, are singing the song of Moses. They are Jews. This is the fruit harvest or more specifically the grape harvest.

I think any Gentiles raptured at this time will be the poor and the stranger which I think are those that have not heard the Word of God prior to His coming for the Church. Choose this day who you will serve. Not choose the day the Church is raptured, and you find yourself left behind.

The Jews are the fruit harvest.
Totally separate harvest.

Exactly

 

[JLB]

The resurrected body of Jesus Christ IS eternal in the heavens and will be forever as well.

amen.

 

[JLB]

No, that is not what is written.

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

I understand what you are pointing out from the word.

Yes our house our new glorified body does indeed come from heaven not earth.

on this we agree.


Now moving on to verse 4.


For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
2 Corinthians 5:4

• that mortality may be swallowed up by life.

Mortality is referring to the earthly body.

This mortal body will be swallowed up by our heavenly body, which is from God.


Do you believe this swallowing up of our mortal body will take place in heaven or on earth?



JLB

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Jude 1:20 Lexicon: But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,



Jude 1:21 Lexicon: keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.



Jude 1:22 Lexicon: And have mercy on some, who are doubting;



Jude 1:23 Lexicon: save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.



What does “snatching” To seize, snatch, take away by force mean in Jude 1:23

Strong's Greek: 726. ἁρπάζω (harpazó) -- To seize, snatch, take away by force

 

[rebuilder 454]

Right Jesus holds the sickle....... and sends His angels to gather the elect, just as Matthew 24 says. Revelation 14:14 is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. It occurs at the 6th seal. It is a harvest.

Yes, the elect Jews are gathered from the earth............immediately after the tribulation OF THOSE DAYS. The Church is in heaven BEFORE the tribulation.

It is the Jews that go through the great tribulation. The Word of God is clear on this. Those that get victory over the beast are singing the song of Moses. They are of the 12 tribes across the earth.

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.



I totally agree with this.

The rapture of the Church will be a secret coming. The dead in Christ rise first in the spring and alive remain until the end of summer.

The harvest of Revelation 14:14 is the second coming when all eyes see the coming of the Lord. JESUS REMAINS IN THE CLOUDS. He does not touch the earth at this time. At this rapture, all go to heaven for the marriage supper. This harvest occurs at the 6th seal and is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24........as marked by the signs of the sun and moon being darkened and the stars falling from heaven. Then seventh seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

Rev 19 is the third. This is Armageddon. After Armageddon Jesus will set His feet on the mount of Olives.


How can I be missing the target when everything I am saying is proven by the Word of God?

You have been taught that the tribulation and the wrath of God are the same thing. I see you were unable to answer my 2 questions about the tribulation and the wrath of God.

The great tribulation is when saints are killed for their faith by the beast. This begins when the AOD is set up. The great tribulation is the 5th seal.

The wrath of God is when God punishes unbelievers. The wrath of God is the 7th seal.

I have no clue how you can conclude the tribulation and wrath are the same thing other than that's what you were taught. The scriptures certainly do not support this belief, nor does common sense.

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" those singing in Rev 15 are ethnic Jews"


Well, maybe reread it.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest

Not ANYTHING there referring to ethnic Jews.
1) we sing Rev 15 at our church ( no way are any of us ethnic Jews)
2) it says they are MARTYRS.
3) THEY are killed DURING the trib.
4) they sing the song of the lamb
5 ) it says "NATIONS"...WHICH IS NON JEWS

REV 15 is NOT Rev 14.
Rev15 has moved on FROM Rev 14

QUOTE
"You have been taught that the tribulation and the wrath of God are the same thing. I see you were unable to answer my 2 questions about the tribulation and the wrath of God
Enough of that lie " you have been taught" baloney.
I am simply READING MY BIBLE.
That condescending mess is stupid.
Nobody here believes "tribulation and wrath are the exact same thing"
Nobody believes that.
But some can not, or just will not , read where we get the FACT that the gt lasts 7 years ACCORDING TO DANIEL.
Is Daniel who you keep referring to as "you were taught"?
It is amazing that you have concocted a entire timeline OFF OF OMISSION.

Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
7 yr trib
Mid trib the ac descecrates the temple

 

[rebuilder 454]

Then also means after that; next; afterwards.

Ahem...Same thing as "He won the first game, and THEN the second game.
You deleted "He played two games on two different days"

Yes "then" is after.
The alive believers are gathered AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected.
You invented " 10 months later"
Totally invented.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The dead in Christ is the barley harvest'


Those that are alive and remain are raptured at the wheat harvest.


Those raptured during the tribulation that get victory over the beast by the blood of the Lamb, are singing the song of Moses. They are Jews. This is the fruit harvest or more specifically the grape harvest.

I think any Gentiles raptured at this time will be the poor and the stranger which I think are those that have not heard the Word of God prior to His coming for the Church. Choose this day who you will serve. Not choose the day the Church is raptured, and you find yourself left behind.


Exactly

Oh OK
You changed all that around to fit the pause you invented.
No sir
The alive in Christ MEET THE RESURRECTED SAINTS IN THE AIR.
Maybe re read it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The dead in Christ is the barley harvest'


Those that are alive and remain are raptured at the wheat harvest.


Those raptured during the tribulation that get victory over the beast by the blood of the Lamb, are singing the song of Moses. They are Jews. This is the fruit harvest or more specifically the grape harvest.

I think any Gentiles raptured at this time will be the poor and the stranger which I think are those that have not heard the Word of God prior to His coming for the Church. Choose this day who you will serve. Not choose the day the Church is raptured, and you find yourself left behind.


Exactly

You have concocted a rapture at the feast of Pentecost.
You have the rapture 50 days after the dead in Christ.
So only you and God know the exact day of the rapture.
SMH

 

[The Light]

Well, maybe reread it.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest

I reread it. Nothing has changed.

Not ANYTHING there referring to ethnic Jews.

They sing the song of Moses. They are Jews.

Additionally, the 144,000 seen earlier in Revelation 14 are the first fruits of the harvest of Revelation 14.

Not too hard to understand.

1) we sing Rev 15 at our church ( no way are any of us ethnic Jews)

You sing Revelation 15? Revelation 15 is not the song of Moses.

2) it says they are MARTYRS.

Correct. They are martyrs.

3) THEY are killed DURING the trib.

Correct. They are killed during the tribulation.

The Church is raptured BEFORE the tribulation. We are in heaven during the tribulation. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. I'm not sure why you want to make it about the Gentiles. The great tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble.

4) they sing the song of the lamb

Right. The sing the song of Moses and song of the Lamb.

They are the seed of the woman, Israel who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. They are Jews who have had their blindness removed after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.

5 ) it says "NATIONS"...WHICH IS NON JEWS

All nations SHALL come and worship before thee. FACT.

REV 15 is NOT Rev 14.

Yeah, and Revelation 15 is not Revelation 16, Etc.

Rev15 has moved on FROM Rev 14

Part of Revelation 15 shows what happens after the harvest in Revelation 14. Just like part of Revelation 7 shows what will happen after the harvest in Revelation 6.

It is the same harvest. Those that get victory over the beast shown in Revelation 15, are also seen here.

Revelation 7
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
7 yr trib
Mid trib the ac descecrates the temple

Mid week the great tribulation begins. It ends at the 6th seal.

 

[The Light]

Oh OK
You changed all that around to fit the pause you invented.
No sir
The alive in Christ MEET THE RESURRECTED SAINTS IN THE AIR.
Maybe re read it.

The alive do meet the dead in Christ in the air. Christ brings the dead with Him when He comes for the alive that remain.

Barley and wheat are not harvested at the same time.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The dead in Christ is the barley harvest'


Those that are alive and remain are raptured at the wheat harvest.


Those raptured during the tribulation that get victory over the beast by the blood of the Lamb, are singing the song of Moses. They are Jews. This is the fruit harvest or more specifically the grape harvest.

I think any Gentiles raptured at this time will be the poor and the stranger which I think are those that have not heard the Word of God prior to His coming for the Church. Choose this day who you will serve. Not choose the day the Church is raptured, and you find yourself left behind.


Exactly

Ruth depicts the Gentile bride.
The Rapture is the groom coming for the bride.
the rapture is vividly depicted in Matthew 25 as the groom coming for his bride.
Acts chapter one depicts the rapture, in that the angels declare that Jesus would return in "like manner".
I could be the only one on this board that understands the setting of "like manner". (obviously the pretrib rapture)
I don't know how anybody on the board can read acts chapter one and not understand the setting of Jesus departure and his return, according to heaven, is exactly like that setting.
I think I stand alone and understanding that for some reason.
First thess. chapter 4, is beyond obvious, that it is the rapture, and it is beyond obvious that the rapture is the groom gathering the bride.
Your 50 day delayed template, is simply manufactured.
I don't know a single person, other than yourself, That has come away with that concept.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I reread it. Nothing has changed.


They sing the song of Moses. They are Jews.

Additionally, the 144,000 seen earlier in Revelation 14 are the first fruits of the harvest of Revelation 14.

Not too hard to understand.


You sing Revelation 15? Revelation 15 is not the song of Moses.

Correct. They are martyrs.


Correct. They are killed during the tribulation.

The Church is raptured BEFORE the tribulation. We are in heaven during the tribulation. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. I'm not sure why you want to make it about the Gentiles. The great tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble.

Right. The sing the song of Moses and song of the Lamb.

They are the seed of the woman, Israel who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. They are Jews who have had their blindness removed after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.



All nations SHALL come and worship before thee. FACT.

Yeah, and Revelation 15 is not Revelation 16, Etc.

Part of Revelation 15 shows what happens after the harvest in Revelation 14. Just like part of Revelation 7 shows what will happen after the harvest in Revelation 6.

It is the same harvest. Those that get victory over the beast shown in Revelation 15, are also seen here.

Revelation 7
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Mid week the great tribulation begins. It ends at the 6th seal.

"They sing the song of Moses. They are Jews"
You then have to assume no non Jewish believers were martyred.
I guess we need to stop singing Rev 15 at our church.
Naaaah
You made it up.

 

[The Light]

You have concocted a rapture at the feast of Pentecost.

Oh. I have concocted a rapture on a harvest feast. Ok.

You have the rapture 50 days after the dead in Christ.

Pay no attention to the harvest feasts.........they must mean nothing. When Jesus says "summer is near" that must mean nothing. OK.

So only you and God know the exact day of the rapture.
SMH

We are told to watch. That must mean nothing.

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The alive do meet the dead in Christ in the air. Christ brings the dead with Him when He comes for the alive that remain.

Barley and wheat are not harvested at the same time.

What misunderstanding you have.
Now you need to understand what gets pulled out of the grave.
Hello...those dead saints have SPIRITS in heaven CURRENTLY.
THOSE SPIRITS HAVE TO BE JOINED TO THE NEW BODIES THAT WERE ROTTED IN THE GRAVE.

THOSE SPIRITS .....AHEM.....THAT COME INTO THOSE NEW BODIES IMMEDIATELY AT THE RESSURRECTION come with Jesus at the rapture.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
....IS " the dead he brings with him", at the rapture.
There is no 1 thes 4, "part one and two" rapture as you have made up.

Barley is the rapture.
Wheat "connected to the TRIBULUM" Is the martyrs that died during the gt seen as the innumerable number IH HEAVEN THAT WERE MARTYRED DURING THE TRIB.

YOU do not understand the end of the church age, the time of the Gentiles completed, and the purpose of the trib.
When you leave out huge chunks, you start a cunning fabrication, that is guaranteed error.

Where is ANYONE with this teaching of the delayed meeting in the air.
Point me to a YouTube or a website.