The Coming Rapture

[The Light]

Ruth depicts the Gentile bride.
The Rapture is the groom coming for the bride.
the rapture is vividly depicted in Matthew 25 as the groom coming for his bride.

Okay. Nothing new here.

Acts chapter one depicts the rapture, in that the angels declare that Jesus would return in "like manner".

Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture.

I could be the only one on this board that understands the setting of "like manner". (obviously the pretrib rapture)
I don't know how anybody on the board can read acts chapter one and not understand the setting of Jesus departure and his return, according to heaven, is exactly like that setting.

At the rapture of the Church Jesus comes for His bride. All go the heaven.

At the gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal those gathered from the earth are of the 12 tribes across the earth and the Church is gathered from heaven. All return to heaven for marriage supper. The wrath of God takes place while believers are in heaven. Then the armies of heaven return for Armageddon and then Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives.

I think I stand alone and understanding that for some reason.

Is this where you want me to say..........Only you and God.

Problem is Acts 1 is not a rapture. Acts 1 is Jesus returning to the earth to set up His kingdom after Armageddon.

First thess. chapter 4, is beyond obvious, that it is the rapture, and it is beyond obvious that the rapture is the groom gathering the bride.
Your 50 day delayed template, is simply manufactured.

Ok. Your barley and wheat are harvested at the same time.

I don't know a single person, other than yourself, That has come away with that concept.

Yes. And very few understand there are two raptures. You seem to understand that concept but don't understand when they occur.
The second rapture is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, Israel, being raptured at the sixth seal, shown in Revelation 14.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Oh. I have concocted a rapture on a harvest feast. Ok.

Pay no attention to the harvest feasts.........they must mean nothing. When Jesus says "summer is near" that must mean nothing. OK.

We are told to watch. That must mean nothing.

Revelation 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

No
Both feasts correlate totally and completely.
They both speak for themselves.
I00% agree with all aspects of them and the relationship to end times

Wheat comes AFTER BARLEY. Via tribulum...those left behind
NO BRAINER.
Those left behind COME IN VIA MARTYRDOM LATER.
WHEAT AND BARLEY in heaven via harvests.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Okay. Nothing new here.

Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture.


At the rapture of the Church Jesus comes for His bride. All go the heaven.

At the gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal those gathered from the earth are of the 12 tribes across the earth and the Church is gathered from heaven. All return to heaven for marriage supper. The wrath of God takes place while believers are in heaven. Then the armies of heaven return for Armageddon and then Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives.



Is this where you want me to say..........Only you and God.

Problem is Acts 1 is not a rapture. Acts 1 is Jesus returning to the earth to set up His kingdom after Armageddon.

Ok. Your barley and wheat are harvested at the same time.


Yes. And very few understand there are two raptures. You seem to understand that concept but don't understand when they occur.
The second rapture is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, Israel, being raptured at the sixth seal, shown in Revelation 14.

QUOTE
"Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture."
Acts one says "like manner"
"Like manner"
Maybe look a little closer?????
You need to understand "manner"

You reframed it to " location"

Totally in error.
Why?
Why would you do that?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Okay. Nothing new here.

Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture.


At the rapture of the Church Jesus comes for His bride. All go the heaven.

At the gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal those gathered from the earth are of the 12 tribes across the earth and the Church is gathered from heaven. All return to heaven for marriage supper. The wrath of God takes place while believers are in heaven. Then the armies of heaven return for Armageddon and then Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives.



Is this where you want me to say..........Only you and God.

Problem is Acts 1 is not a rapture. Acts 1 is Jesus returning to the earth to set up His kingdom after Armageddon.

Ok. Your barley and wheat are harvested at the same time.


Yes. And very few understand there are two raptures. You seem to understand that concept but don't understand when they occur.
The second rapture is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, Israel, being raptured at the sixth seal, shown in Revelation 14.

QUOTE
"Ok. Your barley and wheat are harvested at the same time"

Nope never said or believed it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Okay. Nothing new here.

Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture.


At the rapture of the Church Jesus comes for His bride. All go the heaven.

At the gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal those gathered from the earth are of the 12 tribes across the earth and the Church is gathered from heaven. All return to heaven for marriage supper. The wrath of God takes place while believers are in heaven. Then the armies of heaven return for Armageddon and then Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives.



Is this where you want me to say..........Only you and God.

Problem is Acts 1 is not a rapture. Acts 1 is Jesus returning to the earth to set up His kingdom after Armageddon.

Ok. Your barley and wheat are harvested at the same time.


Yes. And very few understand there are two raptures. You seem to understand that concept but don't understand when they occur.
The second rapture is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, Israel, being raptured at the sixth seal, shown in Revelation 14.

You have 2 rapture BEFORE Rev 14.
You made up th 50 day delay not depicted in 1 thes 4.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Okay. Nothing new here.

Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture.


At the rapture of the Church Jesus comes for His bride. All go the heaven.

At the gathering from heaven and earth at the 6th seal those gathered from the earth are of the 12 tribes across the earth and the Church is gathered from heaven. All return to heaven for marriage supper. The wrath of God takes place while believers are in heaven. Then the armies of heaven return for Armageddon and then Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives.



Is this where you want me to say..........Only you and God.

Problem is Acts 1 is not a rapture. Acts 1 is Jesus returning to the earth to set up His kingdom after Armageddon.

Ok. Your barley and wheat are harvested at the same time.


Yes. And very few understand there are two raptures. You seem to understand that concept but don't understand when they occur.
The second rapture is the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, Israel, being raptured at the sixth seal, shown in Revelation 14.

QUOTE
"Problem is Acts 1 is not a rapture. Acts 1 is Jesus returning to the earth to set up His kingdom after Armageddon."

...which is totally opposite of what the angels declare.
Completely opposite.
You really do not understand the meaning of " like manner"?

Huh???????

 

[rebuilder 454]

I reread it. Nothing has changed.


They sing the song of Moses. They are Jews.

Additionally, the 144,000 seen earlier in Revelation 14 are the first fruits of the harvest of Revelation 14.

Not too hard to understand.


You sing Revelation 15? Revelation 15 is not the song of Moses.

Correct. They are martyrs.


Correct. They are killed during the tribulation.

The Church is raptured BEFORE the tribulation. We are in heaven during the tribulation. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. I'm not sure why you want to make it about the Gentiles. The great tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble.

Right. The sing the song of Moses and song of the Lamb.

They are the seed of the woman, Israel who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. They are Jews who have had their blindness removed after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.



All nations SHALL come and worship before thee. FACT.

Yeah, and Revelation 15 is not Revelation 16, Etc.

Part of Revelation 15 shows what happens after the harvest in Revelation 14. Just like part of Revelation 7 shows what will happen after the harvest in Revelation 6.

It is the same harvest. Those that get victory over the beast shown in Revelation 15, are also seen here.

Revelation 7
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


Mid week the great tribulation begins. It ends at the 6th seal.

Show me martyrs in Rev 14.
Those singing in Rev 15 are martyrs.
Please re read it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Who is teaching this delay of the living in 1 thess 4
Who is teaching this???
What website????

 

[The Light]

Yes "then" is after.
The alive believers are gathered AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected.
You invented " 10 months later"
Totally invented.

10 months?

Don't you mean 50 days..........Pentecost.

I am taking the words............alive remain............literally. I see no reason to spiritualize .........alive remain.

 

[The Light]

Where is ANYONE with this teaching of the delayed meeting in the air.

Here on this forum.

Point me to a YouTube or a website.

I have not made a video or a website.

 

[The Light]

No
Both feasts correlate totally and completely.
They both speak for themselves.
I00% agree with all aspects of them and the relationship to end times

Wheat comes AFTER BARLEY. Via tribulum...those left behind
NO BRAINER.
Those left behind COME IN VIA MARTYRDOM LATER.
WHEAT AND BARLEY in heaven via harvests.

Barley and wheat are the dead in Christ and the alive that remain.

The Church is raptured pretrib, so no need to have the Church in the tribulation.

The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. They are the fruit harvest which happens in the fall.............before the wrath of God.

 

[The Light]

QUOTE
"Totally incorrect. Acts 1 is talking about when Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives. That is not the rapture."
Acts one says "like manner"
"Like manner"
Maybe look a little closer?????
You need to understand "manner"

You reframed it to " location"

Totally in error.
Why?
Why would you do that?

Landing on the mount of Olive is in like manner.

 

[The Light]

You have 2 rapture BEFORE Rev 14.
You made up th 50 day delay not depicted in 1 thes 4.

The alive remain. Seems simple enough.

 

[The Light]

Show me martyrs in Rev 14.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Those singing in Rev 15 are martyrs.

Exactly. And they are killed in Revelation 14 in the great tribulation. This of course is the 5th seal.

Please re read it.

Nothing changed.

 

[The Light]

Who is teaching this delay of the living in 1 thess 4

It appears to be me.

Who is teaching this???

Me.

What website????

Don't have one.

 

[ewq1938]

I understand what you are pointing out from the word.

Yes our house our new glorified body does indeed come from heaven not earth.

on this we agree.


Now moving on to verse 4.


For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
2 Corinthians 5:4

• that mortality may be swallowed up by life.

Mortality is referring to the earthly body.

This mortal body will be swallowed up by our heavenly body, which is from God.


Do you believe this swallowing up of our mortal body will take place in heaven or on earth?



JLB

The mortality being swallowed by life means the ability to die is removed, not a reference to the actual mortal body. The new body is in heaven and Paul said this was true very long ago so the new bodies are in heaven right now. There is no scripture that states the souls return to their old bodies and the new body leaves heaven to merge with the old? Nothing like that is in the bible.

The saved dead simply get a new body, and nothing happens to the old body.
The unsaved resurrect into their old bodies, so they can die a second time.

 

[ewq1938]

10 months?

Don't you mean 50 days..........Pentecost.

I am taking the words............alive remain............literally. I see no reason to spiritualize .........alive remain.

The Greek means to have survived something, which would be the trib. Those raptured lived through the trib and are raptured. Teh rapture is post-trib. Any other rapture would be an imitation...by the imitation jesus.

 

[Davy]

The Greek means to have survived something, which would be the trib. Those raptured lived through the trib and are raptured. Teh rapture is post-trib. Any other rapture would be an imitation...by the imitation jesus.

Raptured when... you say?

I thought you believed man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory, which teaches the rapture happens PRIOR to the "great tribulation".

Lord Jesus taught in Matthew 24:29-31 that His coming will be "Immediately after the tribulation of those days...". So yeah, Christ's saints that remain alive will be on earth throughout that tribulation, and raptured only after it when Jesus comes to end that tribulation.

 

[rebuilder 454]

10 months?

Don't you mean 50 days..........Pentecost.

I am taking the words............alive remain............literally. I see no reason to spiritualize .........alive remain.

Yes literally REMAIN....exactly like it says.
Caught up exactly like it says.
Meeting those resurrected 3 minutes ago in the air...exactly like it says.
No reason to make it says something else
Unless you torture it into a fitment of something you need it to say

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Greek means to have survived something, which would be the trib. Those raptured lived through the trib and are raptured. Teh rapture is post-trib. Any other rapture would be an imitation...by the imitation jesus.

Except we KNOW at the rapture it is normal life, everyday life, everyday activities and commerce.
Who are those killed by the AC....for NOT TAKING THE MARK?
MILLIONS AND MILLIONS KILLED.
POSSIBY A BILLION.
In fact, it says power wad given the AC to overcome the saints.
It SAYS Every man woman and child take the mark not written in the lambs, book a life..
It says there is normal life and commerce AT THE RAPTURE.
Postrib rapture is literally impossible
All rapture verses are given by the Holy Spirit in a different setting than every position, EXCEPT PRETRIB rapture

What do you postribs do with all that?