Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[Eternally Grateful]

In my thinking is the same problem with Ezekiel's temple. There is no such teaching in the NC about animal sacrifices for sin starting again.

Totally not taught by Christ or the apostles.
But pre-millennials will insist that it will happen with a rebuilt 3rd Jewish temple.
It is the same kind of problem, misinterpreting scriptures.
Their is mentioned sin offering by sacrificing a bull. And by animal sacrifices of burnt and peace offering will God then accept you.

None of this is New Covenant teaching of Christ, so it is a false teaching they believe.

Ezekiel 43

Consecrating the Altar​

18 And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord God: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it. 19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord God. 20 ‘You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it. 21 Then you shall also take the bull of the sin offering, and burn it in the appointed place of the [j]temple, outside the sanctuary. 22 On the second day you shall offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they cleansed it with the bull. 23 When you have finished cleansing it, you shall offer a young bull without blemish, and a ram from the flock without blemish. 24 When you offer them before the Lord, the priests shall throw salt on them, and they will offer them up as a burnt offering to the Lord. 25 Every day for seven days you shall prepare a goat for a sin offering; they shall also prepare a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without blemish. 26 Seven days they shall make atonement for the altar and purify it, and so [k]consecrate [l]it. 27 When these days are over it shall be, on the eighth day and thereafter, that the priests shall offer your burnt offerings and your peace offerings on the altar; and I will accept you,’ says the Lord God.”

Actually, there can be no abomination in the holy place as spoken of by daniel the prophet and Jesus himself in matt 24. Unless these things start- up again.

we need to remember, israel is still in sin at this time.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The only thing that makes sense is Ezekiel's temple is Herod's temple, the 2nd temple. But the pre-mills insist it is the coming 3rd temple.
Personally I view this as a heresy, a turning away from Christ back to a covenant that God destroyed and is no longer in effect. It is definitely an antichrist doctrine.

sorry, To much that we are told did not happen in Herods temple. so it lacks foundation

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not so. All the wicked are destroyed at the second coming in Revelation 19 - all flesh. There are no wicked left to overrun your supposed future millennium.

actually no. while your right all the wicked are KILLED in rev 19 so many dead the birds feed on their flesh for a whole year.

they are not delieverd to Christ until rev 20 after the 100 years.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Typical Premil response. They cannot take any Scripture literally. That is because it exposes there extra-biblical doctrine. They have to spiritualize it away to mean nothing.

Malachi 4:1 says, “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up.”

Amils take this literal! This is talking about "all who do wickedly" There are no exceptions. There are no survivors. This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind.

excuse me sir. premills take scripture literally.

It is those who think that there is no millennium after that do not take the word literally

All OT prophecy will literally come to fulfillment, including Mal 4..

 

[CadyandZoe]

Of course.


Yeah, I gathered that.


I agree that the last day "comes after the Millennial period and the destruction of Satan". When you had asked what you were agreeing with WPM about, this is it.

Although we are employing identical terminology, our interpretations of those terms differ significantly.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Typical Premil response. They cannot take any Scripture literally. That is because it exposes there extra-biblical doctrine. They have to spiritualize it away to mean nothing.

Malachi 4:1 says, “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up.”

Amils take this literal! This is talking about "all who do wickedly" There are no exceptions. There are no survivors. This is complete, wholesale, and total destruction - for those left behind.

This response exemplifies the common practice of proof-texting, where specific passages are quoted out of context to support a particular argument or viewpoint.

To truly grasp the teachings and messages conveyed in the Bible, it is essential that we engage with the text thoughtfully, aligning ourselves with the perspective of the writer. In this instance, we turn our attention to the prophet Malachi, who addresses his own community during a pivotal time in their history. By understanding the context in which Malachi speaks and the specific challenges faced by his people, we can gain deeper insights into his prophetic messages and their relevance both then and now.

 

[MA2444]

The only thing that makes sense is Ezekiel's temple is Herod's temple, the 2nd temple. But the pre-mills insist it is the coming 3rd temple.
Personally I view this as a heresy, a turning away from Christ back to a covenant that God destroyed and is no longer in effect. It is definitely an antichrist doctrine.

Never underestimate the power of Human Stupidity. Man is stupid enough to build another temple and stat sacrificing again.

 

[amigo de christo]

Although we are employing identical terminology, our interpretations of those terms differ significantly.

I truly wish that people would just read the bible for themselves .
But due to the fact many sat under men with certain teachings they can only see through the lens of
how it was sold unto them .
Has anyone ever wondered WHY the CHRIST spoke of one coming and wrath upon the ungodly on that day .
Has anyone ever wondered why , in not one letter it ever spoke of two comings .
Does anyone ever wonder why Paul even makes that clear in the first chapter of second thessalonians .
Or that peter who say WE are all looking forward too , the COMING day of GOD
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved
but that we ourselves just look forward to the new heavens and new earth .
CAUSE its a one time event . There aint no seven year mystery dissapperance of the church
while others then get a second chance to repent .
ITS a one time event .
And its also real simple to see that when paul was writing the first letter to the thessalonians
That was also describing an event that would happen unto THE BELIEVERS
on that DAY . the dead shall come with Christ and we who are still remaining on earth WILL be instantly changed
caught up forever to be with THE LORD .
AS HE TOO comes to lay down wrath against ALL the ungodly , against the beast , fp , etc and all who
had rejected Christ and worshipped the beast .
The coming of the LORD , HIS PROMISE that the saints through all ages have looked forward too
IS NIGH to come my friend . And once HE rises up and CLOSES THE DOOR
all outside shall wail . Be encouraged my friend .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Never underestimate the power of Human Stupidity. Man is stupid enough to build another temple and stat sacrificing again.

actually, for those following things in the middle east.

the only thing stopping them is they fail to grasp the dome of the rock is not the holy of holies. It is below the famed wall.. Otherwise. they have everything they need. They are actually as we speak I believe sacrificing animals in Israel today.. and if not. the plan is to start soon. even without a temple

 

[amigo de christo]

actually, for those following things in the middle east.

the only thing stopping them is they fail to grasp the dome of the rock is not the holy of holies. It is below the famed wall.. Otherwise. they have everything they need. They are actually as we speak I believe sacrificing animals in Israel today.. and if not. the plan is to start soon. even without a temple

What if , in part , this is a distraction .
It seems like for forty plus years in large
that the richest men in christendom as well as many others
have all been focused on the rebuilding of the temple as a SIGN .
But what if its been a distraction . I mean
what if the many who THINK and beleive that In NO way can JESUS come
till after its been rebuilt
are being BIG TIME DECIEVED . What do i mean by decieved
WHAT IF HE COME TONIGHT then what will they do who all delayed HIS coming .
WAIL . that is what they will do .
You know what else i notice . I sure dont have much support from
many to help me expose that which is of anti christ
and the false love that has totally denied CHRIST .
Now why is that i wonder .
We gotta get busy SEEING what is GOING ON RIGHT NOW
and not just in ISRAEL
but WITHIN CHRISTENDOM ITSELF and THE ENTIRE WORLD . ITS MERGING UNDER FALSE LOVE
the religoins are MERGEING UNDER false love and what they THINK BE of GOD .
OH we got us a seriously STRONG delusion RIGHT NOW
only many see it as NOT A DELUSION but as love . These false religoins , this world
and sadly a overwhemling number within christendom
have been following the love of another . Its like they all ressurected john lenon and now sing HIS LOVE SONG .
this is a delusion friend . A STRONG ONE TOO and it will UNIFY all religoins
they will cry as one LOVE LOVE LOVE , GOD IS LOVE and yet be following SATAN as ONE HEART and ONE MIND and ONE PEOPLE
One cannot have the love of the world AND the LOVE OF GOD within them . and many sure follow the worlds version of love .
But it has slapped the name JESUS onto it so as it get the christains under it

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Although we are employing identical terminology, our interpretations of those terms differ significantly.

Of course. I didn't say otherwise. The only point being made was that you agreed that the millennium occurs before the last day and no one claimed that you defined those terms the same way.

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course. I didn't say otherwise. The only point being made was that you agreed that the millennium occurs before the last day and no one claimed that you defined those terms the same way.

Many are being distracted and have been deceived my friend .
They follow the song of another who has sold them a john lenon version of love song .
ALL YA NEED is love , da da da da da
THEY gots no idea this love IS NOT OF GOD at all , it be of satan and his well favoered WHORE .
IT has ensnared much of christendom as well .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This response exemplifies the common practice of proof-texting, where specific passages are quoted out of context to support a particular argument or viewpoint.

To truly grasp the teachings and messages conveyed in the Bible, it is essential that we engage with the text thoughtfully, aligning ourselves with the perspective of the writer.

This is rich coming from someone who denies the deity of Christ. Take your own advice.

In this instance, we turn our attention to the prophet Malachi, who addresses his own community during a pivotal time in their history. By understanding the context in which Malachi speaks and the specific challenges faced by his people, we can gain deeper insights into his prophetic messages and their relevance both then and now.

Just tell us exactly how you interpret the verse instead of just being vague like this.

 

[amigo de christo]

Of course. I didn't say otherwise. The only point being made was that you agreed that the millennium occurs before the last day and no one claimed that you defined those terms the same way.

To the trenches one and all . These be the last hours on earth . the deceptions have grown massive
and all are gathering now under the most deceptive love song that
will be thier end , their demise . Stand firm , contend for the true faith and know and understand
this world will hate you and sadly much of chrisetendom will too .
A love lie to gather all unto the day of their destruction and perdition of ungodly men has went
viral and many heed that love song .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

excuse me sir. premills take scripture literally.

It is those who think that there is no millennium after that do not take the word literally

That is not true at all. What is your excuse for your ignorance? Amillennialists take much of the word of God more literally than Premillennialists do.

Tell me, do you take the following scriptures literally?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Do you believe that Jesus has all power in heaven and in earth right now? That means He reigns now.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

This passage indicates that Jesus IS the prince of the kings of the earth now and that His followers are "priests unto God and his Father now. Do you believe that? If so, that should tell you about the timing of Revelation 20. It's not talking about the future when Jesus will begin to reign with His followers being priests, but is talking about how Jesus began to reign after His resurrection at which time His followers had been made priests.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

This verse indicates that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection. You don't take that literally because you say the resurrection of the dead in Christ at His coming is the first resurrection instead.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Do you believe that there is one hour coming when all of the dead will be raised at that same hour, as Jesus indicated, instead of believing that there are two or more hours coming when the dead will be resurrected?

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Do you believe that all of the dead who belong to Christ will be resurrected at the same time and that the end when Jesus delivers the kingdom to God the Father will come at that time, as Paul taught?

I saw in another post of yours that you agree that all of the wicked will be killed when Jesus returns, so I won't post all of the passages which literally teach that, such as Matthew 24:35-39 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10. But, I'll post these...

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Since you agree that all of the wicked will be killed when Jesus returns, I would think you would agree that is what Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3? But, can you see that Peter taught the way in which the wicked will all be killed with "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" is by way of fire coming down on the entire earth? So, how can any mortals survive that to populate the future millennial earthly kingdom that you believe in? If you truly take scripture as literally as you think you do, then you would see that there will be no mortals who survive the return of Christ.

Also, in 2 Peter 3:13 Peter says that it is the new heavens and new earth that we are looking forward to in fulfillment of the promise of Jesus's second coming, not an earthly millennial kingdom. So, Amills are the ones who take these scriptures that I referenced above literally and not Premills. And there are plenty of other examples I could give as well.

 

[WPM]

actually no. while your right all the wicked are KILLED in rev 19 so many dead the birds feed on their flesh for a whole year.

they are not delieverd to Christ until rev 20 after the 100 years.

Where in Revelation 19 does it say that there are "so many dead the birds feed on their flesh for a whole year"? Where does it show survivors?

 

[WPM]

This response exemplifies the common practice of proof-texting, where specific passages are quoted out of context to support a particular argument or viewpoint.

To truly grasp the teachings and messages conveyed in the Bible, it is essential that we engage with the text thoughtfully, aligning ourselves with the perspective of the writer. In this instance, we turn our attention to the prophet Malachi, who addresses his own community during a pivotal time in their history. By understanding the context in which Malachi speaks and the specific challenges faced by his people, we can gain deeper insights into his prophetic messages and their relevance both then and now.

This is all noise. It proves nothing. Where is your evidence?

 

[WPM]

excuse me sir. premills take scripture literally.

It is those who think that there is no millennium after that do not take the word literally

All OT prophecy will literally come to fulfillment, including Mal 4..

You're not proving anything here apart from your own opinion.

 

[Scott Downey]

Actually, there can be no abomination in the holy place as spoken of by daniel the prophet and Jesus himself in matt 24. Unless these things start- up again.

we need to remember, israel is still in sin at this time.

God is not restarting animal sacrifices for sin. So how can Ezekiel 43 be God's plan for a future 3rd temple? When you read it clearly says God is telling Israel what to do. It must be for and in the past. Ezekiel had just seen the first temple (Solomons) destroyed when he had this vision. And the second temple was then built later on.

Ezekiel 43

Consecrating the Altar​

18 And He said to me, “Son of man, thus says the Lord God: ‘These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it. 19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,’ says the Lord God.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You're not proving anything here apart from your own opinion.

Well, he did prove one thing. His ignorance.