Who Is The Antichrist? A Biblical Prespective.

[covenantee]

LOL. That is a type of "red herring," which is a piece of information deliberately vague with the intent of diverting attention, misleading, or distracting from "said fact!"

Thanks; keep that entertainment coming.

 

[CTK]

Well yes he is the little horn. His arrival happens when the world is ruled by 10 kings. Verse 23 shows the fourth kingdom devours the whole earth and then teh ten kings arise. so there will be a one world govt that shall somehow fall and ten rulers shall govern the world ad the antichrist (little or 11th horn) shall arise.

Daniel 7:24

24The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings.

Daniel 7:24a marks an important shift in the understanding of the ten horns. Up until this point, Daniel has seen these horns growing from the fourth beast, but now, Gabriel clarifies their identity: they are ten kings. This is the first time these ten horns are explicitly called kings, and this new designation raises a critical question—why are they now being recognized as kings, and what does this reveal about God’s plan?

To fully grasp their significance, we must return to Chapter 2 and Nebuchadnezzar’s metal-man image, where God first described the fourth kingdom—Pagan Rome—as a kingdom of iron. This kingdom, unlike its predecessors, would not simply rise and fall. Instead, it would undergo a unique transformation. The iron feet of Rome, which represented its rule over both the Jewish nation and the Gentile world, contained ten toes and clay—symbolizing both Roman dominion and the presence of God’s people under that rule.

In Daniel 2:34, the Stone (Messiah) strikes the feet of the image, breaking apart the iron and the clay – within the feet. However, it does not directly strike the toes. This distinction is crucial.

The clay represented God’s people, who had been under Roman rule.

The Stone’s impact symbolized the crucifixion of Jesus, which would bring about a great separation within the Jewish people.

Those who accepted Jesus as their Messiah were identified as “pottery clay”, moldable in the hands of the Potter (Jeremiah 18:6).

Those who rejected Him were identified as “ceramic clay”, hardened and unable to be shaped.

After the crucifixion, those who accepted the Messiah would go out into the world, preaching the Good News. The Ten Commandments, once entrusted to the Jewish nation, would now be proclaimed to the Gentiles—just as the ten toes were now symbolically free from Roman captivity.

When we move from Daniel 2 to Daniel 7, God reveals something new about these ten toes—they do not remain toes, but instead become ten horns (Daniel 7:7-8). This transformation is not accidental. In Chapter 2, the ten toes symbolized God’s law within the Jewish nation. But now, in Chapter 7, these same ten elements are described as “horns” or “powers”, indicating authority. And now, in Daniel 7:24, Gabriel further clarifies their status:

“The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom.”​

The Ten Commandments, which were God’s moral law, have transitioned once again to the top of the 4th beast, and would be redefined by the little horn. They are no longer just a guiding force—they have been elevated to the status of kings. Like kings, they must be obeyed—but not according to God’s original intent. Instead, the little horn (Papal Rome) would ensure that the commandments were worshipped in the way he determined.

When Pagan Rome fell in 476 AD, the Christian Church, which had already gained immense power, stepped into the void. The Bishop of Rome—soon to be the Pope—claimed authority over both religious and secular matters, thus marking the full transition from Pagan Rome to Papal Rome.

As Papal Rome grew in influence, it did not stand alone. Alongside it, the Ten Commandments themselves were altered, reshaped to fit the doctrines of the Church. The original moral law—once a guiding light for salvation—was now transformed into a system of enforced worship dictated by religious authority.

Later in verse 25, Daniel will reveal the final transformation of these ten toes, horns, and kings. Eventually, God will reclaim them, and they will become the ten saints of the Most High. But for now, in Daniel 7:24a, these ten horns have become kings under Papal Rome’s rule, enforcing laws that have been twisted from their original divine purpose. This transformation is significant because it reveals that Papal Rome’s power was not just political—it was spiritual.

Just as a king demands obedience, so too did the little horn enforce its own version of God’s commandments upon the world. Over time, the little horn would:

Replace biblical truth with human traditions.

Elevate the power of the Church above the Word of God.

Persecute those who refused to conform.

Thus, the ten horns becoming ten kings symbolizes how the teachings of God were distorted under the influence of Papal Rome. Rather than being God’s moral law, they were now used as instruments of control—and those who challenged the little horn’s authority would suffer the consequences.

Although Daniel would not have the ability to understand the meaning of this symbolism, this was still a deeply troubling revelation. This is why Daniel 7:24a marks a turning point—it confirms that the fourth beast’s final phase would be a kingdom unlike any before it, one that would redefine worship, authority, and obedience in ways never before seen in history

 

[ewq1938]

No the bible doesn’t and can’t contradict itself God knows all things and what would happen in the future of when the OT prophecies were given so He wouldn’t of contradicted Himself and have people say that the bible is wrong

There are contradictions, this is all a test, God shows in the bible that he doesn't always know the future.

 

[Marty fox]

There are contradictions, this is all a test, God shows in the bible that he doesn't always know the future.

In your view then nothing in the bible is reliable and no one can debate with you

God knows all things but He doesn’t make them all happen

 

[ewq1938]

God knows all things but He doesn’t make them all happen

Close, but that still ignores the fact that the bible shows that God does not always know the future.

Isa 5:2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.


Here God clearly expected something but another lesser thing occurred proving in this particular situation that he did not know what would occur.

 

[Marty fox]

Close, but that still ignores the fact that the bible shows that God does not always know the future.

Isa 5:2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.


Here God clearly expected something but another lesser thing occurred proving in this particular situation that he did not know what would occur.

No it doesn’t it only said what should have happened not that He didn’t know what would happen. God gave Israel all that they needed but they wouldn’t do His will.

Just like the world, God gave everyone the chance but He also gave us free will

 

[Marty fox]

The stone demolished all four empires in the same manner, without distinction between the Babylonian and the remaining three, even though the Babylonian was in existence and the remaining three were not. The demolitions did not distinguish, and in history, the fourth empire was Rome.

NT Scripture confirms Rome as the empire during which God set up His kingdom.

It does not confirm Greece.

You haven't cited any historical orthodox support for your view.

John Calvin

"Here the Fourth Empire is described, which agrees only with the Roman..."

"When, therefore, the three monarchies were absorbed by the Romans, the language of the Prophet suits them well enough; for, as the sword diminishes, and destroys, and ruins all things, thus those three monarchies were bruised and broken up by the Roman empire."

"...when the third monarchy, namely, the Macedonian, began to decline, then the fourth, which is the Roman, succeeded it."

Matthew Henry

"The legs and feet of iron signified the Roman monarchy."

"But it has been the more received opinion that it is the Roman monarchy that is here intended, because it was in the time of that monarchy, and when it was at its height, that the kingdom of Christ was set up in the world by the preaching of the everlasting gospel."

"The stone cut out without hands represented the kingdom of Jesus Christ, which should be set up in the world in the time of the Roman empire..."

I disagree I believe that it was Babylon when the kingdom was set up just as dan chapter 2 states and that Greece was the 4th empire

Jesus of course Rome was the empire when Jesus came

 

[Marty fox]

Actually his first mention is Genesis 3. He is called the seed of the serpent there. It will be Satans son. Once again a counterfeit sign, a falsevirgin birth.

Scripture clearly shows that antichrist is a spirit inside many people

There are only four verses in the entire bible that uses the word antichrist

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

 

[covenantee]

I disagree I believe that it was Babylon when the kingdom was set up just as dan chapter 2 states and that Greece was the 4th empire

Jesus of course Rome was the empire when Jesus came

You still haven't cited any recognized historical orthodox support for your view.

I've cited two, there are more, and there is full unanimity recognizing Rome as the fourth empire.

 

[ewq1938]

No it doesn’t it only said what should have happened not that He didn’t know what would happen.

No, it says he expected grapes but got wild grapes instead. He should have known that but he didn't. It shows God doesn't always know the future.

 

[Marty fox]

No, it says he expected grapes but got wild grapes instead. He should have known that but he didn't. It shows God doesn't always know the future.

See what king David said in Psalm 139

 

[Brakelite]

I do not find the "Stone", the Messiah struck the feet of the image and destoryed anything. He did not come to destroy but to divide. And that is exactly what the "Stone" did - it broke into pieces the iron and clay found in the feet only. The clay represented His people who were kept under the Roman Empire along with the 10 toes - which represented God's 10 commandments. Symbolically, Jesus would strike the feet and separate the clay (His people) away from the iron into two groups: those that would be identified as "pottery clay" found in verses 41-44, and those identified as "ceramic clay." The difference between these two groups is the former would reflect those who would accept Jesus as their Messiah and go out into the world preachig the Good news. Those Jews who would reject Him - the ceramic clay would continue in their Jewish faith. The Stone striking the feet is the cross.

The Stone broke apart the two elemets within the symbolic iron feet of pagan Rome. The previous 3 kingdoms of the metal man image were defeated by the subsequent coming kingdom.

All 4 empires were destroyed by the Rock. This is a depiction of the second coming of Jesus, as are all the subsequent apocalyptic prophecies depictions of history ending at the second coming.
The side by side iron and clay empire is a union of convenience, not natural. They cannot mix. And at times were in conflict. The clay in scripture usually represents the church. Clay as used in pottery is malleable... Workable... As the clay described in Jeremiah which represents God's people. But the clay here used in Daniel is miry clay. Unworkable. Worthless. This describes a church that was once God's people, but had gone into apostasy. This church was once loyal to God, and God used them for His purposes. But they forsook God in favour of a relationship with the kings of the earth, a relationship between church and state that is unnatural... Spiritual adultery. The clay and iron represents three false union of church and state which existed between the Catholic church and Roman secular power in the dark ages, and morphed later into a union whereby the popes took to themselves secular authority and forming a union of church and state within the Vatican itself. How the Rock destroys empires when it strikes the toes is that the final church/state union found in those toes have inherited the philosophies and traditions and practises of Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome and incorporated them into their religious practises. This is all very clearly seen in Catholicism today. It is all apostate religion, seeking union with the kings of the earth having forsaken her true King and Bridegroom Jesus, and is committing adultery by doing so. Hence the divorce element inherent in the meaning of apostasy. God hasn't divorced The Catholic church, but the Catholic church through its adulterous relationships with the kings of the earth, has divorced God and annulled the relationship. Prophecy in Daniel and Revelation perfectly describes this scenario.

 

[ewq1938]

See what king David said in Psalm 139

Let's see another example:

God's knowledge of the future is "iffy" in the case of Sodom. "If I find... " Also, Jer. 18 states that God warns, then waits to see what happens, before taking action. Now, if God know the future ahead of time, he would not have to wait around to see what is going to happen.

 

[Brakelite]

See what king David said in Psalm 139

“9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: ”
Isaiah 46:9-10 KJV

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[Marty fox]

You still haven't cited any recognized historical orthodox support for your view.

I've cited two, there are more, and there is full unanimity recognizing Rome as the fourth empire.

I’m not sure what you want. I already said that I believe Antiochus Epehanies was the little horn the Old Testament beast from the fourth empire from the book of Daniel and the b of Maccabees

I believe that if you were a jew living in the times of the Maccabees you would of realized that you were living through the times that Daniel prophesied about

 

[Brakelite]

Let's see another example:

God's knowledge of the future is "iffy" in the case of Sodom. "If I find... " Also, Jer. 18 states that God warns, then waits to see what happens, before taking action. Now, if God know the future ahead of time, he would not have to wait around to see what is going to happen.

He isn't looking for something there regarding the future, but confirming personally the reports He had received from angels. It means He is a just God and not a God given to arbitrary judgements. He did the same, personally investigating, at other times also. Justice seen to be done as a witness to the universe. A testimony to the fact that every human being will be given a fair hearing before judgement is passed.

 

[Marty fox]

Let's see another example:

God's knowledge of the future is "iffy" in the case of Sodom. "If I find... " Also, Jer. 18 states that God warns, then waits to see what happens, before taking action. Now, if God know the future ahead of time, he would not have to wait around to see what is going to happen.

That proves nothing that just shows that God gives the fair chance so no one can say that they didn’t have a chance it was their doing it doesn’t prove that God didn’t know what would happen

If you believe that the bible contradicts itself then it’s no use debating because there’s no authority anything goes

 

[Brakelite]

I’m not sure what you want. I already said that I believe Antiochus Epehanies was the little horn the Old Testament beast from the fourth empire from the book of Daniel and the b of Maccabees

I believe that if you were a jew living in the times of the Maccabees you would of realized that you were living through the times that Daniel prophesied about

And you would be utterly wrong, for several reasons. First, the 4th beast is Rome, not Greece. The little horn, along with the ten horns prior, all grew from the head of the 4th beast, Rome. And history confirms that. Horns are kings with their own individual kingdoms. Separate kingdoms running contemporaneously. The little horn grew up among them after the ten horns were established in 476ad.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello

If budding theologians cannot get the Daniel 2's statue prophecy right as to the names of the five kingdom/empires were/are labelled by, then what hope do they have if they try to identify the Antichrist.

I was told in Daniel the first three kingdoms, but not the entities of the fourth and fifth segment until the 20th century drew to its conclusion. Then Rev 16 gave us a clue which we cand determine from history.

I wonder how stubbornly they will hang onto their perceived correctness.

Perhaps people need to stop following the tradition of fools and actually consider the evidence of the scriptures which reveals both the fourth and fifth identities.

Then perhaps our understanding of the entity of the Antichrist will become clearer and we will stop look for humans to fit into the role.

Shalom

 

[covenantee]

I’m not sure what you want. I already said that I believe Antiochus Epehanies was the little horn the Old Testament beast from the fourth empire from the book of Daniel and the b of Maccabees

I believe that if you were a jew living in the times of the Maccabees you would of realized that you were living through the times that Daniel prophesied about

I want a Calvin or a Henry who agrees with you.