DOES BELIEF THAT ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED MEAN WE CAN SIN?

[amigo de christo]

Jesus has ALL your sin, on The Cross, or you still have it, and He does not.

"God hath made Jesus to be sin for YOU (us) ">. or you still have ALL your sin....

Figure this out.

it sounds like you learned a concept from men and they twisted and omitted things in the bible
to justify , maybe it was OSAS in your case . This is why i told ya i have a problem
with The doctrines that OSAS teaches . cause while there be TRUTHS in it there be lies too .
Many are the servants of sin and when i say many i speak of many within christendom .
GOD wont be mocked behold . who one serveth is who one belongs too . many unrepentant
sinners living it up and justifying their sins , THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM they actaully serve another god and another jesus .
NOW YOU need to FIGURE THAT OUT and fast . cause this judge not correct not generation is TOTALLY
destorying christendom from within .
NOW its so bad that they even try and imply ITS NOT EVEN NECESSARY to HAVE BELEIVED JESUS is the CHRIST .
leaven leavens my friend . WE IN A TOTAL MESS these days . NOT looking good at all within many
a house of worhip who holler judge not , hate not , correct not , TO THOSE who came to correct their sin loving ways
THE LIE that merges all has entered big time within EVEN CHRISTENDOM
and its gonna take all who loved sin , loved a lie FOR A RIDE TO PERDITOIN on teh DAY OF THE LORD whom it DENIED .

 

[Behold]

it sounds like you learned a concept from men and they twisted and omitted things in the bible

Do have you sin, or is this true...

"Jesus is the ONE TIME... Eternal Sacrifice for sin".


Do you understand the definition of the word.. "ETERNAL".

It means = forever......without END.

Now...Look again..

Jesus is the "ONE TIME.....(The Cross).... ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN">

So, JESUS ON THE CROSS = is your "eternal sacrifice" for YOUR SIN........or He is not.... @amigo de christo

= Figure it out.

 

[amigo de christo]

If you have sin, then Jesus has not died for it yet.

Figure that out.

try copying the part where james calles them A SINNER
or how about the part where JOHN himself says If any sees his brother SIN a sin not unto death
I mean behold , according to you
ITS NOT SIN at all . rather odd dont ya think .
had you wrote james , or john , or other places the word sin and sinner was used
boy would christainity have had a odd concpet .
I mean lets go ahead and write johns own reminder to brethern in your version of it .
Brethren if any of you sees his brother sin a sin not unto death , NO WORRIES WE DONT SIN .
good heavens behold snap out of this please .

 

[amigo de christo]

Do have you sin, or is this true...

"Jesus is the ONE TIME... Eternal Sacrifice for sin".


Do you understand the definition of the word.. "ETERNAL".

It means = forever......without END.

Now...Look again..

Jesus is the "ONE TIME.....(The Cross).... ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN">

So, JESUS ON THE CROSS = is your "eternal sacrifice" for YOUR SIN........or He is not.... @amigo de christo

= Figure it out.

lets rewrite pauls warning to titus and timothy .
Those who sin rebuke before all that others may fear ,
IN beholds book it says , HEY those who sin , WAIT WE DONT SIN , never mind timothy .

 

[Behold]

try copying the part where james calles them A SINNER

Look again.

Does Jesus on the Cross have all your sin, or do you still have them?

If you still have them, then Jesus has not died for your sin yet.

Figure this out.

 

[Behold]

Those who sin rebuke before all that others may fear ,

Look again..

Jesus died on The Cross to forgive all your sin.. so that being forgiven, you can become born again,.

So, if your sin is resolved, by The Cross of Christ....then you can become a Christian.

If you still have your sin, then you are a SINNER, needing to be forgiven..


Figure this out.

 

[amigo de christo]

Look again..

Jesus died on The Cross to forgive all your sin.. so that being forgiven, you can become born again,.

So, if your sin is resolved, by The Cross of Christ....then you can become a Christian.

If you still have your sin, then you are a SINNER, needing to be forgiven..


Figure this out.

in other words ye cant say say what i wrote is false , cause even paul wrote it
SO all you can say is LOOK again . Behold when are you gonna learn
that if a teaching CONTRADICTS many other places in scrips , THEN rather than trying to omit them other parts
or imply something else , WHY NOT JUST BELEIVE what is written . cause scrip IN no way contradicts other scrips .
NOW if the church used the word sin and sinners unto the church for those in error
THEN I SUGGEST we dont try and omit something in order to follow something else . I told ya
why i had problems with OSAS . NOT the true parts in it , BUT THE WRONG PARTS IN IT . it has led
this people into madness . THOUGH not all of them are mad or in madness .
WE NEED TO TEACH all of the letters behold , all the truth . but many dont and wont
for they had rather heed men that twist . I aint the enemy behold , i am just trying to help ya .

 

[Behold]

in other words ye cant say say what i wrote is false , cause even paul wrote it

Reader,

If Jesus has your sin, because He is your "one time Eternal Sacrifice for sin".. then you are "made free" from sin.

You are become "the Righteousness of God....IN Christ".

If Jesus has not died for all your sin, then you still have it, and you are a SINNER, and not a Christian.


Figure this out.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you own a KJV?

I own a KJV, I own a NKJV, I own a NASB and I own an ESV.

Notice that 1 John 3:9, contradicts 1 John 1:9

no it does not contradict at all.

Yet it doesn't.. because 1 Jn 3: 9 is written to Christians.........

John 1 is written to christians, as is John 3. They both are.

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.

Here we have John numerous times speak of WE. Here we also say he is writing these things (the whole book of John) so YOU may have fellowship with US. And that your joy may be full

everything he says here is about this fact.of our joy. He will also answer some questions about things that are being brought into the church that Are false and need corrected.

One of the things John was going to refute was gnostic belief that we no longer sin, Also in his view is that we cannot be saved and still sin because it is not us who sin, but the flesh within us.

Fellowship with Him and One Another, He is doing a few things here. ​

1. Going to show what it looks like to have fellowship,
2. Be in to destroy this Gnosticism believ that we have no sin,

5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us

Notice, he continues with this “WE” function. Have fellowship with us, we have seen and heard.

1. if we claim we are walking in the light, yet we are not. We do not practice thr truth
2. If we walk in light, we have fellowship with one another (again, with the we function, he includes himself)
3. If we (again, he is including those who are in fellowship including himself. Claim we have no sin, (like the gnostics do) we are decieved and there is no truth in us

1. John 3 is just fighting another gnostic heresy,that we can live in sin and still be saved.

1. If we live in sin, we have never seen or met God
2. if we are born of God we cannot live in sin.

6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Sinning here is present tense active, it is living in sin, it is habitual.

A non believer sins continuously. As Jesus said, even the religious person who thinks he does the work of God practices unrighteousness. When he tells them to depart for he never knew them


you need to study my friend, You speak of John not contradicting himself. When you make in your teaching John contradict himself.

Do not use an NIV, as this is a book of lies and truth and doctrine twisting nonsense.

I have never used the NIV or the new living, all which are probematic .Bt even if I use the KJV, I do not see it as you do. Your still causing John to contradict himself

So, for this verse, us a KJV to get the correct understanding.

I have correct understanding my friend.

John said we we say we have no sin we are decieved.

You say if we say we have sin we are decieved.

again, i will go with John

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Stop trying to stay saved by confessing sin.

I am not saying this. Listen to what i am saying, and stop accusing me because you do not understand me

That is not Faith in Christ... "brother".

Listen..

The Born again are "seated in heavenly places">. "in Christ".. .. as "ONE with God".

You cant have SIN, and be there.... = the reason you exit there in the KOG, is because you have no sin......for ETERNITY.

You dont see this yet, but, once you do, then you will have taken a huge leap of Faith into Real faith in Christ.. @Eternally Grateful

If you claim you have no sin, you are decieved

John said it not me, Don;t get mad at me, just take John at his word.

You were not saved a super mature believer who was a sinner completely one second, and a non sinner completely the next. You do not even know what all sin is when you are first born again, your just a babe, even paul had to call out the corinthian church because of their sins, because they were babes. They needed to grow up.

If you think you made it. Your ability to grow in christ has ceased. Because you can no longer be taught.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

same john wrote
if any man see his Brother sin a sin which is not unto death ,
james wrote , Brethern if any of you do err from the truth
and one convert him , let him know that he who coverts THE SINNER from the error of his way
shall save a soul from death .
Paul warns THOSE who sin rebuke sharply before others that others may fear .
They are taking something JOHN wrote out of text . cause that same john
wrote what i copied above .

Paul did this very thing when he called peter out publically for peters sin.

paul called himself the chief of all sinners. And spoke of the war inside him we all face.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We supposed to confess our faults friend . What on earth has happened .
now if one reminds the church with the same reminders THE EARLY CHURCH used
one gets accused of trying to stay saved . Behold i advise you to go and behold the truth in scrips for you .
WHEN you do so do not read it through the lens of men
but rather just read and enjoy the letters for THINESELF .

Amen, we confess our sins for healing. Not only to God (1 john 1: 9) but to each other (James 5: 16)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well for sure and for certain my advice is READ the KJV as well .

Or the NKJV, or the NASB, or any well written word for word scripture will do.

 

[Behold]

I own a KJV, I own a NKJV, I own a NASB and I own an ESV.

no it does not contradict at all.

I wrote "NIV">... so thank you for never paying attention.

you need to study my friend, You speak of John not contradicting himself. When you make in your teaching John contradict himself.

You are correct.
John is not in contradiction with Himself.
He's correcting you.

See, you have not understood that If Jesus does not have all your sin.. then you are a SINNER and not a Christian,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"faults" are not sins.

"faults" are issues with your discipleship.......like.....>>"sometimes i lose my temper, but im working on it".

"sometimes i feel like doing something i know is wrong".

See those...

So, those are "faults"..... those are "my discipleship is weak in this area, sometimes".... so, "can i tell you about it, as i feel better when i do".

Faults are not sin.

my friend, stop excusing your sins.. A fault is a sin, ignorance does not mean it is not sin.

If you lose your temper. You have sinned.

stop excusing your sins, then say you are perfect. You are perfect in right standing from God.

But you’re still a walking talking person who has to continue to trust God, but is not perfect in this love and trust. So you still suffer from the flesh.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you have sin, then Jesus has not died for it yet.

Figure that out.

Jesus died BECAUSE i have sin

figure that one out.

 

[Behold]

Amen, we confess our sins

Sinners confess sin.

Christian's confess Christ.

"behold, i confess my sin, so that God will resave me, and keep me saved, everytime i do it".

No He won't... as God never saved you to begin with because you confessed your sin.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Look again.

If you say you "have sin".. then you are denying that Jesus has died for all of yours.

See it?

Look again

’if you say you have NO sin, you deceive yourself and there is no truth in you

 

[Behold]

Jesus died BECAUSE i have sin

And He does not have to keep dying for it.


Figure this out.

 

[Behold]

Look again

’if you say you have NO sin, you deceive yourself and there is no truth in you

God said (Paul teaches) that all the Christians have become a "new Creation".........who exist in the Kingdom Of God.

There is no sin found there, because there are no Sinners found there @Eternally Grateful

So, if you are born again, you are in the KOG.. because you have no sin, and are become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

If you have sin, then you are not born again, and you are not "in Christ", in the KOG.