DOES BELIEF THAT ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED MEAN WE CAN SIN?

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is the truth.

If a Christian says they have sin, then they are not telling the truth.

So the apostle John tells us that if we, as a christian, say we have no sin, we are deceived.

But you say that if we, as a christian says they have sin, we are deceived.

thank you, But I will trust the apostle john on this.

 

[Behold]

if we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us.

Here is why the born again CHRISTian has no sin.

"God hath made JESUS.......to BE SIN....for us".

"Jesus is the One time... ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

This is why Romans 4:8 and 2 Corn 5:19 says that God does not charge SIN against the born again.

 

[Behold]

So the apostle John tells us that if we, as a christian, say we have no sin, we are deceived.

Here is why the born again CHRISTian has no sin.

"God hath made JESUS.......to BE SIN....for us".

"Jesus is the One time... ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

This is why Romans 4:8 and 2 Corn 5:19 says that God does not charge SIN against the born again.

 

[Behold]

thank you, But I will trust the apostle john on this.

Trust Jesus on this........instead.

See the Cross of Christ for the "resolved all sin".... answer you have not understood, yet. @Eternally Grateful

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Here is why the born again CHRISTian has no sin.

"God hath made JESUS.......to BE SIN....for us".

"Jesus is the One time... ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

This is why Romans 4:8 and 2 Corn 5:19 says that God does not charge SIN against the born again.

Ilove ya brother. Thats why I am being kind. And warning you

when an apostles tells us that we are decieved if we claim we have no sin, and you immediately try to fight it saying we do not have sin (you do the very thing he tells you not to do)

well it does not look good..

Yes, He does not charge us with sin, but it does not mean we are sinless.. If we claim we are sinless (we no longer sin) we are decieved. Period.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Trust Jesus on this........instead.

See the Cross of Christ for the "resolved all sin".... answer you have not understood, yet. @Eternally Grateful

So your saying John made a mistake and got it wrong?

Last i heard all scripture was inspired. When i trust John, i trust jesus.

You should too

 

[Behold]

Ilove ya brother. Thats why I am being kind. And warning you

Listen.

The reason you have one verse, that isn't talking to Christians, is because you do not trust Christ to keep you saved.

People who are trying to save themselves, or keep from losing their salvation, always have their ONE verse, or a couple that they have used against the Grace of God and the Cross of Christ to try to prove that what Jesus has completed, can't keep them saved.

So, that is not just wrong faith, that is broken faith.

See, you believe that your Salvation is based on your confessing sin, to keep yourself saved, as that is why you do it.

Ronald Nolettee, believes the same thing, and so do many who do not understand being "made righteous", and that existing "IN Christ" means there is no SIN found there, or otherwise you could not be there....

So, the issue is that you have not understood that The Cross is not a part time redemption.. and the blood atonement is not based on how you behave.

You have some learning to do regarding what it means to be "made Righteous"......as this is "Eternal Life" and its not conditioned on you confessing sin, that isn't there........because you are not under the law that could accuse you of it, first of all, and that Christ has become your 'ONE TIME ETERNAL" sin bearer is MOST OF ALL why you have no sin, if you are born again.

You have to learn this, as this is Hebrews 13:9, telling you what you have to do with your Heart of Faith... or you will keep trying to keep yourself saved, instead of having Real Faith in Christ that HE keeps you saved. @Eternally Grateful

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Listen.

The reason you have one verse, that isn't talking to Christians, is because you do not trust Christ to keep you saved.

I just can’t brother. You can not read 1 John chapter 1 and come to any conclusion that John is not talking to us as believers.

5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1. If we (believers) say that we have fellowship. But walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice Ythe truth
2. If we walk in light, as he is in light, we have fellowship not only with him but with one another
3. If we (believers) say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and their is no truth in us
4. Next he says if we confess our sin, he will forgive us, a nonsensical statement, if like you want me to believe, we no longer sin.
5. He finally states if we state we have never sinned, we make God a liar.

Your wrong on this bro..

 

[Behold]

I just can’t brother. You can not read 1 John chapter 1 and come to any conclusion that John is not talking to us as believers.

Do you own a KJV?

Notice that 1 John 3:9, contradicts 1 John 1:9

Yet it doesn't.. because 1 Jn 3: 9 is written to Christians.........

Do not use an NIV, as this is a book of lies and truth and doctrine twisting nonsense.

So, for this verse, us a KJV to get the correct understanding.

 

[Behold]

I just can’t brother. You can not read 1 John chapter 1 and come to any conclusion that John is not talking to us as believers.

Stop trying to stay saved by confessing sin.

That is not Faith in Christ... "brother".

Listen..

The Born again are "seated in heavenly places">. "in Christ".. .. as "ONE with God".

You cant have SIN, and be there.... = the reason you exit there in the KOG, is because you have no sin......for ETERNITY.

You dont see this yet, but, once you do, then you will have taken a huge leap of Faith into Real faith in Christ.. @Eternally Grateful

 

[amigo de christo]

So your saying John made a mistake and got it wrong?

Last i heard all scripture was inspired. When i trust John, i trust jesus.

You should too

same john wrote
if any man see his Brother sin a sin which is not unto death ,
james wrote , Brethern if any of you do err from the truth
and one convert him , let him know that he who coverts THE SINNER from the error of his way
shall save a soul from death .
Paul warns THOSE who sin rebuke sharply before others that others may fear .
They are taking something JOHN wrote out of text . cause that same john
wrote what i copied above .

 

[amigo de christo]

Stop trying to stay saved by confessing sin.

That is not Faith in Christ... "brother".

Listen..

The Born again are "seated in heavenly places">. "in Christ".. .. as "ONE with God".

You cant have SIN, and be there....

You dont see this yet, but, once you do, then you will have taken a huge leap of Faith into Real faith in Christ.. @Eternally Grateful

We supposed to confess our faults friend . What on earth has happened .
now if one reminds the church with the same reminders THE EARLY CHURCH used
one gets accused of trying to stay saved . Behold i advise you to go and behold the truth in scrips for you .
WHEN you do so do not read it through the lens of men
but rather just read and enjoy the letters for THINESELF .

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you own a KJV?

Notice that 1 John 3:9, contradicts 1 John 1:9

Yet it doesn't.. because 1 Jn 3: 9 is written to Christians.........

Do not use an NIV, as this is a book of lies and truth and doctrine twisting nonsense.

So, for this verse, us a KJV to get the correct understanding.

Well for sure and for certain my advice is READ the KJV as well .

 

[Behold]

and one convert him

Someone who isn't "converted" is an UNBELIEVER., not a Christian.

, let him know that he who coverts THE SINNER from the error of his way
shall save a soul from death .

Notice a SINNER is being rescued from DEATH.

And that is not the body dying.......that is the 2nd Death.........= going to Hell.

So, that is an unbeliever being led to CHRIST.. so that they can become a Christian, and not go to Hell.

 

[Behold]

We supposed to confess our faults friend .

"faults" are not sins.

"faults" are issues with your discipleship.......like.....>>"sometimes i lose my temper, but im working on it".

"sometimes i feel like doing something i know is wrong".

See those...

So, those are "faults"..... those are "my discipleship is weak in this area, sometimes".... so, "can i tell you about it, as i feel better when i do".

 

[amigo de christo]

"faults" are not sins.

"faults" are issues with your discipleship.......like.....>>"sometimes i lose my temper, but im working on it".

"sometimes i feel like doing something i know is wrong".

See those...

So, those are "faults"..... those are "my discipleship is weak in this area, sometimes".... so, "can i tell you about it, as i feel better when i do".

dont ya find it rather odd that james called them SINNER . come now behold let us really reason together .
DID james write you have saved the one in error from his faults
OR YE HAVE SAVED the sinner . those who sin rebuke before all that others may fear .
Take note PAUL WROTE that . SIN IS ERROR and ERROR is sin . but THANK GOD we have an advocate
and let all who do err repent and if any sees his brethren errr , DO CORRECT THEM .

 

[Behold]

SIN IS ERROR and ERROR is sin .

If you have sin, then Jesus has not died for it yet.

Figure that out.

 

[Behold]

but THANK GOD we have an advocate

Look again.

If you say you "have sin".. then you are denying that Jesus has died for all of yours.

See it?

 

[amigo de christo]

Look again.

If you say you "have sin".. then you are denying that Jesus has died for all of yours.

See it?

believe that says if you say you have No Sin .
Many walk in sin friend and yet claim its not even sin .
example , ya praticting homosexual . and not just them either .
And when i say praticing homosexual , i actually am talkling about the ones within the church
that say WE HAVE NOT SINNED , we have NO SIN , this is NOT SIN . but IT IS SIN friend .
They call evil good and good evil and yet the church is stupied enough
to beleive just cause the lip the name of JESUS and claim to beleive in HIM , THEY must be
following HIM . NO SIR . no true born again lamb justifies its sins as though they be not sin .
NOONE born of GOD does that day in and day out .
THEY are saying WE have NO SIN , we are NOT SINNING , but they are behold . THEY AR E and they follow
another jesus and that jesus aint JESUS its the devil who has sold them another image of a sin ACCEPTING jesus .
THIS goes with not just that sin either . DAY in and day out
more and more do sin and yet say WE HAVE NOT SINNED , WE DO NO EVIL ,
and more so they attack those who would correct and say WE DO THE EVIL , we be the JUDGERS .
THEY DO NOT KNOW HIM behold .

 

[Behold]

believe that says if you say you have No Sin .

Jesus has ALL your sin, on The Cross, or you still have it, and He does not.

Jesus is your eternal "sin bearer" or you still have all your sin.

"God hath made Jesus to be sin for YOU (us) ">. or you still have ALL your sin....

Figure this out. @amigo de christo