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Rebuttal Scripture:
Heb 1:3-5 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. (4) So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. (5) For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”?
How can God inherit anything? How could God be an heir?

And here is the passage from the KJV:

Hebrews 1:1-6 KJV
1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

MADE = CREATED
BEGOTTEN = CREATED
FIRSTBEGOTTEN = FIRST-CREATED

How many times does God need to tell people that Christ was CREATED before they get it?
 

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All you have to do is become like a little child before the FATHER the LORD the HOLY SPIRIT and pray/ask
The number 3 is the Signature of Elohim in the Scriptures.


TRUTH begins in Genesis chapter 1

In the beginning Elohim.......Elohim is Plural and literally 'Gods'

Genesis 1:26 - Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = 3

The Apostle John knew this and thus why he begins the Gospel with Genesis chapter 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God. = here are 2 Elohim = FATHER and His WORD

And John bore witness, saying,
“I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him." = Here is the 3rd Elohim

Signature of Elohim = Isaiah 6:
3
“Holy,
Holy, Holy is the Lord of hosts; = 3
The whole earth is full of His glory!

Signature of Elohim = Revelation 4:8
“’Holy, Holy, Holy = 3
is the Lord God Almighty,’ = 3
who was, and is, and is to come.” = 3

It is all throughout the Gospel and the Apostles writings
If you only knew how many brethren have said to me effectively the same things over the nearly 25 years I have been on Internet Christian forums. Is it One, or is it Two, or is it Three, or is it Many? God certainly knows. He is also the only One who gives anyone any real increase. Yet men continue to push and shove and sometimes insist that they are right and the other fellows who disagree with them are wrong.

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:6-7


@APAK Sorry the above has your name in front of it. I messed up on my initial input and was unable to correct it with the edit feature...
SHALOM my Brother who is in the True and Living Elohim
 
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Do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ = all that He has spoken?
Do you mean.... My Master and King in the coming kingdom... anointed by his God? I believe!!!

You do know the word.. Christ in you bible is the Greek word for Messiah.... Both mean a human anointed by God!

Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him

Who gave him? Take a deep breath...

Peter at the beginning of the Church at Pentecost in Acts.... Tells you...

Net bible Act 2:15 In spite of what you think, these men are not drunk, for it is only nine o'clock in the morning.

NASB bible Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--

Joh 5:36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish--the very works that I do--testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.

Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Luk 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"

Joh 14:28
"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Do you believe all that he has spoken?
 
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Rebuttal Scripture:

How can God inherit anything? How could God be an heir?

And here is the passage from the KJV:

Hebrews 1:1-6 KJV
1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

MADE = CREATED
BEGOTTEN = CREATED
FIRSTBEGOTTEN = FIRST-CREATED

How many times does God need to tell people that Christ was CREATED before they get it?
Keep reading and praying and submitting yourself unto the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

There does not exist in ALL Scripture a single verse that says the WORD was created.

Only the body was created inside Mary for the WORD that was God in the Beginning = Hebrews 10:5

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
but a body You prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sin offerings
You took no delight.
Then I said, ‘Here I am, it is written about Me in the scroll:
I have come to do Your will, O God.’”
 

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If you only knew how many brethren have said to me effectively the same things over the nearly 25 years I have been on Internet Christian forums. Is it One, or is it Two, or is it Three, or is it Many? God certainly knows. He is also the only One who gives anyone any real increase. Yet men continue to push and shove and sometimes insist that they are right and the other fellows who disagree with them are wrong.

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase." I Cor 3:6-7
Go by the TRUTH = "Thy word is Truth"

Matt 4:4 - "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

If we do not believe every word of God how can we understand all that God has for us to SEE of His GLORY

SHALOM and REST in the Lord Jesus Christ
 

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Do you mean.... My Master and King in the coming kingdom... anointed by his God? I believe!!!

You do know the word.. Christ in you bible is the Greek word for Messiah.... Both mean a human anointed by God!

Rev 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him

Who gave him? Take a deep breath...

Peter at the beginning of the Church at Pentecost in Acts.... Tells you...

Net bible Act 2:15 In spite of what you think, these men are not drunk, for it is only nine o'clock in the morning.

NASB bible Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--

Joh 5:36 "But the testimony which I have is greater than the testimony of John; for the works which the Father has given Me to accomplish--the very works that I do--testify about Me, that the Father has sent Me.

Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

Luk 9:35 Then a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is My Son, My Chosen One; listen to Him!"

Joh 14:28
"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

Do you believe all that he has spoken?
Keep reading and praying and submitting yourself unto the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

There does not exist in ALL Scripture a single verse that says the WORD was created.

Only the body was created inside Mary for the WORD that was God in the Beginning = Hebrews 10:5

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
but a body You prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sin offerings
You took no delight.
Then I said, ‘Here I am, it is written about Me in the scroll:
I have come to do Your will, O God.’”
 

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Go by the TRUTH = "Thy word is Truth"

Matt 4:4 - "man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God"

If we do not believe every word of God how can we understand all that God has for us to SEE of His GLORY

SHALOM and REST in the Lord Jesus Christ
I believe every Word of God that I hear. I am certain that I do not hear all that He is saying, but my conversation with Him continues.
 
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Assuming for the moment what Trinitarianism is true, when did the Word become Jesus? Was it Jesus that pre-existed or was it "Word"? Was it Jesus that created the world or was it Word? Is Jesus the exact representation of God's nature or was it Word? Was Jesus tempted in the wilderness or was it Word?

You don’t believe scripture.

I have given you plenty of scriptures but all you do is deny the truth they teach.

As I said before.

Have a nice life.
 
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Not an answer to my questions. Typical eh, @APAK?

You haven’t presented any scriptures nor answers to my post.


Here is my answer again to your claim that John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way of the servant of the LORD.



Read what the verse says and stop making up your own slanted version of the truth!

  • Prepare the way of the LORD;

It doesn’t say prepare the way of the servant of the LORD.

If the scripture read prepare the way of the servant of the LORD, then you would have a point, but since it plainly says … Prepare the way of the LORD; you have no business twisting the scripture to change the meaning!



The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. As it is written in the Prophets:
“Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.”
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
Prepare the way of the LORD;
Make His paths straight.’ ”
Mark 1:1-2
 
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JLB: the Greek transliterated word 'kurios' means one in authority, supreme, a title of authority and not necessarily YHWH. In fact most translations do not write 'LORD" as you did, they write 'Lord.' In fact because it really refers to the Son of God, or God's servant in authority I prefer it be 'lord' to completely be it clear that it's not God Almighty, and not ambiguous.

One has to look at the context in Mark 1 and know before making a final decision of who the subject is, as John the Baptist made way for the Son of God and not God himself.

The Hebrew word that the book of Mark quotes from Isaiah is YHWH.



Here is another example of a New Testament quote from an Old Testament verse that directly shows Jesus as being YHWH.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.”
Romans 10:9-13

Paul is quoting Joel.

What is the name of the LORD we call on to be saved?


Hint:


Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
 
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The Hebrew word that the book of Mark quotes from Isaiah is YHWH.
YHWH YAHshua HaMashiach

Trust in the LORD forever,
For in YAH the LORD, we have an Everlasting Rock. - Isaiah 26:4

The LORD is my Rock, my fortress, and my deliverer.
My God is my Rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. - Psalm 18:2


Brother @JLB read Daniel chapter 2

SHALOM
 

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Rebuttal Scripture:

How can God inherit anything? How could God be an heir?

And here is the passage from the KJV:

Hebrews 1:1-6 KJV
1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

MADE = CREATED
BEGOTTEN = CREATED
FIRSTBEGOTTEN = FIRST-CREATED

How many times does God need to tell people that Christ was CREATED before they get it?

Seems like there is three things God does that are even shown in the beginning, not seeing someof them being "equal" always.

Isaiah 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

"Only begotten" is an adjection (where we usually find on the creed where they scratched in "begotten/verb and "not made" beside that one) in John 1:18 while ignoring 4 verses prior in John 1:14

But He was MADE flesh, or MADE of a woman MADE under the law, MADE a little lower than the angels, MADE of the seed of Abraham, MADE sin for us etc.

Made/verb and begotten /verb are shown together in Hebrews 5:5

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

There is some word phobia around using those words pertaining to Christ

But we are to put on Christ

Gal 3:27

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Put on the Lord Jesus Christ

Romans 13:14

But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

We put on the new man

Ephes 4:24

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
And have put on the new man

Col 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him


The word created is in the last two verses
 
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How does Rev 3:14 support the idea that Jesus had a beginning?
ESV…“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.”

And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write:These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God”. (ASV)

Even the good ’ol KJV readers that verse....
“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God”. (AKJV)

Other translations use a variety of ways to render this passage…..replacing “of” with a few different words.....but the only reason why it is not rendered only one way in English is because of the trinity.

In the Revelation, Jesus is giving the vision to an angel to give to John....but it was God who first gave it to his son. (Rev 1 :1) If Jesus was God, then why the chain of command?

Check out the number of ways this verse is translated in other Bibles…..mostly to accommodate the trinity.
 
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Keep reading and praying and submitting yourself unto the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Scriptures.

There does not exist in ALL Scripture a single verse that says the WORD was created.

Only the body was created inside Mary for the WORD that was God in the Beginning = Hebrews 10:5

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
but a body You prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sin offerings
You took no delight.
Then I said, ‘Here I am, it is written about Me in the scroll:
I have come to do Your will, O God.’”
Christ, the CREATED Son OF God, the Firstborn of every creature.

FACT:

There are NUMEROUS verses that tell us that Christ is, IN TRUTH, the FIRST of all CREATED Beings, i.e. MADE by God, giving Christ the position of preeminence over the other angels, as would be expected for the FIRSTBORN.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature:

*Which is why Father (God) made/created His Dear Son, known here on Earth as Christ, FIRST; i.e. Christ was the BEGINNING of the creation of God.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, THE BEGINNING of the creation OF God;

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the House of Israel know ASSUREDLY, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who by God is MADE unto us Wisdom, and Righteousness, and Sanctification, and Redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:20-21
5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] through us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
5:21 For He hath MADE him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God through him.

Romans 8:14-17
8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the (adopted) sons of God.
8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit (Being), that we (our Beings) are the children of God:
8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ**; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath APPOINTED heir** of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

**Note: Someone cannot be the heir of their own estate. According to Father's Law, the FIRSTBORN SON receives a double-portion relative to his brethren as the primary heir to the dad's estate, being considered the beginning of the dad's strength (Deut. 21:17). All the firstborn belong to Father (Num. 3:13), beginning with His Christ (Rev. 3:14), The One God Anointed (Luke 4:18, Acts 10:38), The Firstborn Son OF God (Col. 1:15), and Heir to The Kingdom OF God (Heb. 1:2), making Christ The Great Prince (Dan. 10:21, Dan. 12:1). The firstborn son of the king is heir to the kingdom (2 Chronicles 21:1-3), and is referred to as the prince.

Hebrews 2:9-11
2:9 But we see the Saviour, who was MADE a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
2:10 For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to MAKE the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN,

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be MADE like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Hebrews 5:5-11
5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be MADE The High Priest; but He that said unto him, Thou art My Son, to day have I incarnated thee.
5:6 As He saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
5:9 And being MADE perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
5:10 Called BY God an High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Hebrews 6:20 Where the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, MADE The High Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:15-17
7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchizedek there ariseth another priest,
7:16 Who is MADE, not after The Law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless Life.
7:17 For He testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:26 For such an High Priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and MADE higher than the heavens;

MADE = CREATED
 

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All you have to do is become like a little child before the FATHER the LORD the HOLY SPIRIT and pray/ask

The number 3 is the Signature of Elohim in the Scriptures.

TRUTH begins in Genesis chapter 1

In the beginning Elohim.......Elohim is Plural and literally 'Gods'

Genesis 1:26 - Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness = 3

The Apostle John knew this and thus why he begins the Gospel with Genesis chapter 1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God. = here are 2 Elohim = FATHER and His WORD

And John bore witness, saying,
“I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him." = Here is the 3rd Elohim

Signature of Elohim = Isaiah 6:
3
“Holy,
Holy, Holy is the Lord of hosts; = 3
The whole earth is full of His glory!

Signature of Elohim = Revelation 4:8
“’Holy, Holy, Holy = 3
is the Lord God Almighty,’ = 3
who was, and is, and is to come.” = 3

It is all throughout the Gospel and the Apostles writings

SHALOM my Brother who is in the True and Living Elohim
Think before you post!

Elohim has been a very confusing word for many people like you. The word elohim is used various ways in Scripture. It is not only used to describe the Almighty, but also individual pagan gods and even mighty human beings. Elohim may be translated as God, god, angels, judges, or even a human being who stands as God's representative or agent. For example, the sons of Heth address Abraham as "a mighty prince," the word for "mighty" being elohim (Genesis 23:6). Some translations have Abraham here being called "Prince of God." Take another instance. In Exodus 4, the Lord tells Moses that he "shall be as God" (elohim) to his brother Aaron. Moses will have God's words in his mouth, and will stand as God's representative before Aaron. Here is a case where an individual human is called elohim. Again in Exodus 7:1, the Lord says to Moses, "See, I make you God [elohim] to Pharaoh." No one dares to suggest that there is a plurality of persons within Moses because he is called elohim, that is, God's representative. The pagan god Dagon is also called elohim in the Hebrew Bible. The Philistines lamented that the God of Israel was harshly treating "Dagon our God [elohim]" (1 Sam. 5:7). Dagon was a single pagan deity. The same holds true for the single pagan god called Chemosh: “Do you not possess what Chemosh your god [elohim] gives you to possess?" (Jud. 11:24). The same for the single deity called Baal.


The Hebrew language has many examples of words which are plural but whose meaning is singular. In Genesis 23, Abraham's wife Sarah dies. The Hebrew text says, "the lives [plural] of Sarah were 127 years" (v. 1). Even the plural verb that accompanies the pronoun does not mean Sarah lived multiple lives. The Hebrews never taught reincarnation or plurality of personhood. Another example of this kind of anomaly in the Hebrew language is found in Genesis 43. After Joseph wept to see his brothers, we read that Joseph "washed his faces" (plural). This is another instance where in the Hebrew language the plural noun functions as a singular noun with a singular meaning, unless, of course, Joseph was a multi-faced human being! The same occurs in Genesis 16:8 where Hagar flees from "the faces" (plural) of her mistress Sarah. These are "anomalies" of the Hebrew language that are clearly understood by Hebrew scholars who rightly translate to a singular form in English.

The better explanation is that the Hebrews used a form of speech called "the plural of majesty." Put simply this means that someone whose position was warrant of dignity was spoken in this way as giving a sign of honor. The plural acted as a means of intensification:

Elohim must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty.

Whenever the word elohim refers to the God of Israel the Septuagint uses the singular and not the plural. From Genesis 1:1 consistently right through, this holds true. The Hebrews who translated their own scriptures into Greek simply had no idea that their God could be more than one individual, or a multiple personal Being! This is true too when we come to the New Testament. The New Testament nowhere hints at a plurality in the meaning of elohim when it reproduces references to the One God as ho theos, the One God.

Glad to clear some of the confusion...
 
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Gods power gave Jesus the power to persevere , do you agree with that @Aunty Jane ?
There is no doubt that God provided what was needed to sustain his son whilst in the throes of dying....
That is what he came to do.....but satan made sure that he suffered as much as possible.....as much as a human can endure, just as he had done with Job......but Jesus knew where his suffering was coming from....Job did not, and yet God sustained his faith through the most unimaginable tragedy.

This is proof of God’s love and reinforces the words of Solomon....at Prov 27:11...
“Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice,
So that I can make a reply to him who taunts me.”

We can all offer proof to the devil that hardship and persecution will not break our faith and our integrity to God. We can have “the power beyond what is normal” from God, to strengthen us. (2 Cor 4:7-9)
 

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Christ, the CREATED Son OF God, the Firstborn of every creature.

FACT:

There are NUMEROUS verses that tell us that Christ is, IN TRUTH, the FIRST of all CREATED Beings, i.e. MADE by God, giving Christ the position of preeminence over the other angels, as would be expected for the FIRSTBORN.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into the Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN of every creature:

*Which is why Father (God) made/created His Dear Son, known here on Earth as Christ, FIRST; i.e. Christ was the BEGINNING of the creation of God.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, THE BEGINNING of the creation OF God;

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the House of Israel know ASSUREDLY, that God hath MADE that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, who by God is MADE unto us Wisdom, and Righteousness, and Sanctification, and Redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:20-21
5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] through us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
5:21 For He hath MADE him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God through him.

Romans 8:14-17
8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the (adopted) sons of God.
8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit (Being), that we (our Beings) are the children of God:
8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ**; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together.

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath APPOINTED heir** of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

**Note: Someone cannot be the heir of their own estate. According to Father's Law, the FIRSTBORN SON receives a double-portion relative to his brethren as the primary heir to the dad's estate, being considered the beginning of the dad's strength (Deut. 21:17). All the firstborn belong to Father (Num. 3:13), beginning with His Christ (Rev. 3:14), The One God Anointed (Luke 4:18, Acts 10:38), The Firstborn Son OF God (Col. 1:15), and Heir to The Kingdom OF God (Heb. 1:2), making Christ The Great Prince (Dan. 10:21, Dan. 12:1). The firstborn son of the king is heir to the kingdom (2 Chronicles 21:1-3), and is referred to as the prince.

Hebrews 2:9-11
2:9 But we see the Saviour, who was MADE a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
2:10 For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to MAKE the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them BRETHREN,

Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be MADE like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Hebrews 5:5-11
5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be MADE The High Priest; but He that said unto him, Thou art My Son, to day have I incarnated thee.
5:6 As He saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
5:9 And being MADE perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
5:10 Called BY God an High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

Hebrews 6:20 Where the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, MADE The High Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:15-17
7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchizedek there ariseth another priest,
7:16 Who is MADE, not after The Law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless Life.
7:17 For He testifieth, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:26 For such an High Priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and MADE higher than the heavens;

MADE = CREATED
Christ, the CREATED Son OF God, the Firstborn of every creature.

Have you never read the Commandment - You shall not lie

When you say: "Christ, the CREATED Son OF God" you are lying and all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire

Not one of the scriptures you posted speaks of God creating His Word.

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

REPENT from committing willful SIN and believe every word of God = Hebrews 10:5
 

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Think before you post!

Elohim has been a very confusing word for many people like you. The word elohim is used various ways in Scripture. It is not only used to describe the Almighty, but also individual pagan gods and even mighty human beings. Elohim may be translated as God, god, angels, judges, or even a human being who stands as God's representative or agent. For example, the sons of Heth address Abraham as "a mighty prince," the word for "mighty" being elohim (Genesis 23:6). Some translations have Abraham here being called "Prince of God." Take another instance. In Exodus 4, the Lord tells Moses that he "shall be as God" (elohim) to his brother Aaron. Moses will have God's words in his mouth, and will stand as God's representative before Aaron. Here is a case where an individual human is called elohim. Again in Exodus 7:1, the Lord says to Moses, "See, I make you God [elohim] to Pharaoh." No one dares to suggest that there is a plurality of persons within Moses because he is called elohim, that is, God's representative. The pagan god Dagon is also called elohim in the Hebrew Bible. The Philistines lamented that the God of Israel was harshly treating "Dagon our God [elohim]" (1 Sam. 5:7). Dagon was a single pagan deity. The same holds true for the single pagan god called Chemosh: “Do you not possess what Chemosh your god [elohim] gives you to possess?" (Jud. 11:24). The same for the single deity called Baal.


The Hebrew language has many examples of words which are plural but whose meaning is singular. In Genesis 23, Abraham's wife Sarah dies. The Hebrew text says, "the lives [plural] of Sarah were 127 years" (v. 1). Even the plural verb that accompanies the pronoun does not mean Sarah lived multiple lives. The Hebrews never taught reincarnation or plurality of personhood. Another example of this kind of anomaly in the Hebrew language is found in Genesis 43. After Joseph wept to see his brothers, we read that Joseph "washed his faces" (plural). This is another instance where in the Hebrew language the plural noun functions as a singular noun with a singular meaning, unless, of course, Joseph was a multi-faced human being! The same occurs in Genesis 16:8 where Hagar flees from "the faces" (plural) of her mistress Sarah. These are "anomalies" of the Hebrew language that are clearly understood by Hebrew scholars who rightly translate to a singular form in English.

The better explanation is that the Hebrews used a form of speech called "the plural of majesty." Put simply this means that someone whose position was warrant of dignity was spoken in this way as giving a sign of honor. The plural acted as a means of intensification:

Elohim must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty.

Whenever the word elohim refers to the God of Israel the Septuagint uses the singular and not the plural. From Genesis 1:1 consistently right through, this holds true. The Hebrews who translated their own scriptures into Greek simply had no idea that their God could be more than one individual, or a multiple personal Being! This is true too when we come to the New Testament. The New Testament nowhere hints at a plurality in the meaning of elohim when it reproduces references to the One God as ho theos, the One God.

Glad to clear some of the confusion...
God wants you to believe His every word = Matthew 4:4
 
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