THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[amigo de christo]

The Unbelief of the People
Joh 12:36 While you have the light believe in the light, that you may become sons of light." On saying this Jesus went away and hid Himself.
Joh 12:37 Although He had performed so many wonder-works right before their eyes, they did not believe in Him,
Joh 12:38 so that the utterance of the prophet Isaiah was fulfilled: "Lord, who has believed what they heard from us? And to whom has the mighty arm of the Lord been shown?"
Joh 12:39 So they could not believe, for Isaiah again has said:
Joh 12:40 "He has blinded their eyes and benumbed their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes and understand with their hearts, and turn to me to cure them."
Joh 12:41 Isaiah said this, because he saw His glory; yes, he spoke about Him.
Joh 12:42 And yet in spite of all this, even among the leading men many came to believe in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not own it, for fear of being turned out of the synagogue,
Joh 12:43 for they loved the praise of men instead of the praise of God.
Jesus Came to Save the World
Joh 12:44 But Jesus cried aloud, "Whoever believes in me believes not merely in me but in Him who has sent me;
Joh 12:45 and whoever sees me sees Him who has sent me.
Joh 12:46 I have come as light into the world, so that no one who continues to believe in me can remain in darkness.
Joh 12:47 If anyone hears my words and fails to keep them, it is not I that judge him, for I have not come to judge but to save the world.
Joh 12:48 Whoever persistently rejects me and refuses to accept my teachings has something to judge him -- the very message I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
Joh 12:49 This is because I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who has sent me has given me orders Himself what to say and what to tell.
Joh 12:50 And I know that His orders mean eternal life. So whatever I speak I am speaking as the Father has told me."

Johann.

 

[Johann]

Abraham saw my day , he saw it and was glad .
JEHOVAH JIREH , in the mount of the LORD it shall be seen , provided .
and lets examine what GOD told abraham . ye have not withheld your only son .......................
Years later GOD would send HIS OWN to be the LAMB of GOD . abraham seen JESUS day my friend .
AND unto abraham was the gospel preached . and in THY SEED ........................that there SEED WAS AND IS JESUS THE CHRIST
the very promise given unto the fathers themselves , and the prophets foretold of him
even david foretold . The LORD said unto MY LORD sit at my right hand ..........
DAVID saw it my friend . many prophets were shown and they prophesied .

Correct-the OT is replete with prophecies and typologies of our Lord Christ Jesus.

J.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes.

" Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein" Mark 10:15

"Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world" Gal. 4:3

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." I Cor 13:11

You posted 3 scriptures - apropos!!!

Why did Christ establish for us the example of a child in relationship to, entering His Kingdom?

What are the childish things that Paul was speaking of?

What is the significance of the number 3 as it pertains to Elohim?

 

[amigo de christo]

Preponderantly wonderful and beautiful.

J.

It is hitting an all out peak and the hour grows late .
All that was foretold is coming to pass and the delusion groweth massive now .
This was foretold johann . it was all foretold . the end is coming
and the day wherein the door shall shut is at hand . In that day and on that hour
all outside will wail . A lie has come in under the guise that it is love and it is of GOD .
BUT NO LIE is of GOD .
it has come to merge the decieved as one man and one heart into the darkest hour of rebellion the world has seen .
And as always leaven begins so small but as error begets error worse and worse it gets .
And the voices who speak truth are silenced as called haters and judgers .
And those who defend and pratice sin have an open mike to speak and to do all the evilthey so desire .
And some within the churches say , MY How did it get so bad
and then enters the lie and the few stand to correct and they say JUDGE NOT correct not .
YET KEEP wondering HOW IT GOT SO BAD . well cause YA QUITE CORRECTING and now all ya do is
keep repeating the same judge not correct not pattern , expecting a different result . that is known as insantiy
KEEP DOING THE SAME STUFF but expecting a different result .

 

[amigo de christo]

You posted 3 scriptures - apropos!!!

Why did Christ establish for us the example of a child in relationship to, entering His Kingdom?

What are the childish things that Paul was speaking of?

What is the significance of the number 3 as it pertains to Elohim?

a lil child BELIEVES . child like faith . wise men wise in their own eyes FALL .

 

[MonoBiblical]

Correct-the OT is replete with prophecies and typologies of our Lord Christ Jesus.

J.

It is full of alterations so that any Rabbinic Jew could become a bar Kochba. The virgin birth prophecy is unprovable because Bar Kochba wasn't born of one.

 

[amigo de christo]

You posted 3 scriptures - apropos!!!

Why did Christ establish for us the example of a child in relationship to, entering His Kingdom?

What are the childish things that Paul was speaking of?

What is the significance of the number 3 as it pertains to Elohim?

the pattern of the earthly , from its temple and pratices
ONE WOULD COME many years later and ENTER INTO THE HEAVENLY ITSELF
and the law would be upon the hearts and in the minds and the children priests of the LORD
even the sabbath pointed to THE SABBATH that would come .
earthly pattern was patterned after the pattern of the heavenly , BUT NOT THE HEAVENLY ITSELF .
THAT ONE WAS COMING . to whom even abraham had been shown . THE PROMISE OF GOD
that the law could not omit . the law itself was but for a time due to trangresssions
and the blood of bulls could cover the sins of the flesh but not pentrate to cleanse the consious of the man .
THE BLOOD OF JESUS can . EVERYTHING was always coming right to the PROMISE OF GOD IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
yet today many want to denythat and cling to enterdeath and its lie . and yeah i said enterdeath
cause DEATH is what it is and the second death is where it leads .

 

[David in NJ]

the pattern of the earthly , from its temple and pratices
ONE WOULD COME many years later and ENTER INTO THE HEAVENLY ITSELF
and the law would be upon the hearts and in the minds and the children priests of the LORD
even the sabbath pointed to THE SABBATH that would come .
earthly pattern was patterned after the pattern of the heavenly , BUT NOT THE HEAVENLY ITSELF .
THAT ONE WAS COMING . to whom even abraham had been shown . THE PROMISE OF GOD
that the law could not omit . the law itself was but for a time due to trangresssions
and the blood of bulls could cover the sins of the flesh but not pentrate to cleanse the consious of the man .
THE BLOOD OF JESUS can . EVERYTHING was always coming right to the PROMISE OF GOD IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
yet today many want to denythat and cling to enterdeath and its lie . and yeah i said enterdeath
cause DEATH is what it is and the second death is where it leads .

No SON no FATHER
No FATHER no HOLY SPIRIT

to know the FATHER
we must Believe the SON
Believe the SON your please the FATHER
Please the FATHER you receive the HOLY SPIRIT
Receive the HOLY SPIRIT and you have ALL THREE

THREE are ONE

 

[MonoBiblical]

No SON no HOLY SPIRIT

No HOLY SPIRIT no SON. You have it backwards.

[Luk 1:35 NKJV] 35 And the angel answered and said to her, "[The] Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

You posted 3 scriptures - apropos!!!

Why did Christ establish for us the example of a child in relationship to, entering His Kingdom?

What are the childish things that Paul was speaking of?

What is the significance of the number 3 as it pertains to Elohim?

In a dream a man was walking upon a beach . it was a bright and sunny day
but as he looked out to the ocean he saw a huge cloud building .
He seen into the ocean and saw through the waters a huge golden chest full of gold .
The cloud then sucked the waters of the ocean up into the cloud
and the rains began to fall upon the beach
down came the rain and gold within it .
As the man went along picking up the pieces on each piece was the number two .
the man woke up .
Behold the ocean the water of the word and within is gold finer than that of earth
and upon men did this rain down . BUT WHY the number two . That i do not know . I had that dream my friend
many , many years ago . but never figured out why the number TWO was on every piece of gold .

 

[amigo de christo]

the treasure chest was the beautiful word and words of GOD within the waters .
i knew that .
but why the number two i have not figured out .

 

[David in NJ]

Incorrect


Not according to the Bible. And be careful. The idea that the Savior had to be ontologically "God" was a heresy known by both Paul and John. In fact, John claims that the Trinity heresy is the essential teaching of the antichrist.



Incorrect-
Jesus’ Divinity is Essential for His Atoning Work While it is true that Jesus the man died on the cross, it is not the humanity of Jesus alone that accomplishes the salvation of mankind. His divinity is equally essential. Jesus is not merely a man who died, but the God-man—fully God and fully man. The death of a mere man would not have been sufficient to bear the weight of the world’s sins.

In Hebrews 9:14, it says, “How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.”

This verse emphasizes that the eternal Spirit (the divine nature of Christ) was essential for His sacrifice.

In 1 Peter 1:18-19, it says that we were redeemed “with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.” The emphasis is on the sinlessness and the divine nature of Christ, which would make His sacrifice acceptable and sufficient to atone for the sins of humanity.

Jesus’ Deity Is Affirmed by the Need for a Perfect Savior If Jesus were only human, He could not have been the perfect sacrifice for sin, because He Himself would have been in need of salvation. The sinless nature required for atonement could only be found in God Himself.

John 1:1-14 affirms the divinity of the Word, who became flesh—Jesus. In verse 14, “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us,” it’s crucial to understand that the Word (Logos), who was with God and was God, became flesh. This is the profound mystery that Jesus was both fully God and fully man.

Philippians 2:6-11 speaks of Christ’s preexistence, His equality with God, and His voluntary humility to become human. Christ’s deity is not a peripheral detail but the foundation of His sacrificial death.

Sharing Essence with the Father is Required for True Atonement The argument that “sharing essence with the Father is NOT a requirement” neglects the biblical necessity that only God could accomplish salvation. If Jesus were not divine, He could not have been the eternal and perfect mediator between God and humanity.

In 1 Timothy 2:5, it says, “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”

The mediator between God and man must be one who represents both parties. Jesus, being both fully God and fully man, is the only one who could effectively reconcile both parties.

Colossians 2:9 says, “For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.” This means that Jesus' full divinity was present in His earthly life, and it was through His divine nature that His death had the power to bring about the redemption of humanity.

The Necessity of the Incarnation and Atonement The doctrine of the Incarnation-that the Son of God took on human flesh-is essential to Christianity. Without the full participation of Jesus as God and man, His death would not have been sufficient. Atonement required a sinless human and one whose death could bear infinite weight-something only the divine nature of Jesus could provide.

In Hebrews 10:4, it says, “For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” The sacrificial system of the Old Testament was insufficient to remove sin. The only one who could fully deal with sin was someone who had the divine power to overcome sin and death-Jesus Christ.

Incorrect.

Thanks.

J.



But you don't hold to Penal Substitutionary Atonement-correct?

J.

 

[amigo de christo]

a lil child BELIEVES . child like faith . wise men wise in their own eyes FALL .

a child OF GOD believes TRUTH . And knows that every WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH .
but the children of darkness love not truth and believeth whatever wise man who twists the truth says unto them .
He who is of the truth hears MY VOICE . JESUS IS THE WAY , THE TRUTH and THE LIFE
and muhammed and any other religoin is of total darkness and deny JESUS is the CHRIST .
but lambs LOVE TRUTH . Lambs LOVE GOD CHRIST before mother , father , son , daugher , wife , husband
or etc and then their neighbor as theirself
but children of the tares loveth HUMANITY first and love sins and doctrines twisted that support their sins and beleifs .

 

[amadeus]

Brother @amadeus

i know you know and love the Lord


Are you willing to know, beyond any doubt, the Truth of Elohim as declared beginning in Genesis???

What do any of us know, my friend? Hopefully we are all on the approach to being like God, but how far away is any one of us from what He is? Today God gave me an extra burst of energy and I am participating here a little. How many days in the future like this one are left for me?

This morning after my regular reading I read on to perhaps more than double my norm. Please do not expect too much of me... My continuance here certainly is very dependent on how much God adds to me. I remember the days when I would physically dance like David danced, but that has now been a long time ago. Give God the glory.

 

[David in NJ]

No HOLY SPIRIT no SON. You have it backwards.

[Luk 1:35 NKJV] 35 And the angel answered and said to her, "[The] Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

EXCELLENT

When referring to the Holy Spirit = i was speaking of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit which no one can receive unless they have the SON

Order of Salvation = "No one comes to the FATHER but thru ME and no one comes to ME except the FATHER Calls them."

FATHER calls
Holy Spirit moving on our hearts
Holy Spirit brings us to the SON

 

[David in NJ]

What do any of us know, my friend? Hopefully we are all on the approach to being like God, but how far away is any one of us from what He is? Today God gave me an extra burst of energy and I am participating here a little. How many days in the future like this one are left for me?

This morning after my regular reading I read on to perhaps more than double my norm. Please do not expect too much of me... My continuance here certainly is very dependent on how much God adds to me. I remember the days when I would physically dance like David danced, but that has now been a long time ago. Give God the glory.

i am not far behind you my Brother in Christ

 

[Verily]

a lil child BELIEVES . child like faith . wise men wise in their own eyes FALL .

And children are not malicious

1 Cr 14:10 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children,
but in understanding be men.

So be children but not in understanding, but in respects to malice.

 

[David in NJ]

It is full of alterations so that any Rabbinic Jew could become a bar Kochba. The virgin birth prophecy is unprovable because Bar Kochba wasn't born of one.

Read Genesis

When you do, before you do, humble your heart before the Lord God so that HE can assist you.

 

[amigo de christo]

What do any of us know, my friend? Hopefully we are all on the approach to being like God, but how far away is any one of us from what He is? Today God gave me an extra burst of energy and I am participating here a little. How many days in the future like this one are left for me?

This morning after my regular reading I read on to perhaps more than double my norm. Please do not expect too much of me... My continuance here certainly is very dependent on how much God adds to me. I remember the days when I would physically dance like David danced, but that has now been a long time ago. Give God the glory.

Onwards in the LORD my friend .
Not much longer now my friend and we all gonna forever be WITH THE LORD .
I remember your birthday is in december my friend . I just dont know the day .
March on my friend . Mama went home a couple of week back .
This life is but a vapor my friend . The only real reason for us to still be here
Is to honor the glorious LORD and point to Him and exhort one another till we just go home .
Keep reading and enjoying the bible and be in prayer as well my friend .
These days are whisking by , OH BUT A LOVELY HOME awaits those whose faith be IN JESUS the CHRIST .

 

[amadeus]

You posted 3 scriptures - apropos!!!

Why did Christ establish for us the example of a child in relationship to, entering His Kingdom?

The child in innocence is still empty of the garbage of men that will fill up the spaces as time goes by without Him.

What are the childish things that Paul was speaking of?

The ones who continue to play with their toys when it is time to do God's work. When is it time to do God's work?
... what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come" John 2:4

But then... "Fill the waterpots with water... Draw out now, and bear them to the governor of the feast." John 2:7-8

And then the question of what to do:
"...What shall we do, that we might do the work of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him who he hath sent." John 6:28-29

What is the significance of the number 3 as it pertains to Elohim?

Does it?