WHAT DOES IT MEAN WIVES ARE TO BE OBEDIENT TO THEIR HUSBANDS?

[3 Resurrections]

I was born into what I and many other call "THE cult" ....or the "elite cult" by masonic and illuminati bloodline. All of the world's top leaders are part of these bloodlines. (Nothing to be proud of, but to be aware of the fact we are played by their political games.) There are different levels to the cult ...from the top world elites, down to the local satanic cult sects.

The perpetual myth of a "superior human bloodline" never seems to go away, and has produced all kinds of human carnage over the millennia. Whether it is the origin of the papal delusion, or the "divine right of kings", or the "Master race" fallacy, etc...all these and others are based on the assumption that genetics passed down through a particular progenitor can produce some kind of superiority over other members of humanity. It is human pride at its worst.

The same idea is excoriated in scripture with God's disdain for the "Nicolaitans". As well as Paul's declaration that salvation comes "NOT OF BLOOD, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD." Even the ethnic Jews fell prey to this idea that salvation was contingent upon their physical, tribal lineage connection to their father Abraham. Just more of the same tired idea of racial superiority with the same disastrous results.

God knows nothing of such a deluded idea of bloodline superiority. "He hath made OF ONE BLOOD all nations for to dwell on the earth". ALL of humanity has descended from the one man Adam in his fallen state, without exception, and are on the same level in this regard.

As for these political and masonic elites you speak of - their efforts to achieve and retain the reigns of power in this world are nothing more than a cause for God's derision. He laughs in mockery at their prideful efforts. The nations are as "a drop of a bucket", "less than nothing" and "the dust of the balance" and "vanity" to Him (Isaiah 40:15-17). Any of the leaders' efforts to establish more power by some kind of connection with the spirit realm and fallen spirit beings are nothing but vanity. That is because God has destroyed the entire Satanic realm long ago in AD 70, as He had promised in the prophets. Satan and his devils are no longer operating in this world ever since God slew that anointed cherub and turned him into ashes on the earth (Ezekiel 28:18-19). Every variety of evil that these people perform in the process of trying to control the world's masses by their so-called superior bloodlines emerges solely from the wicked intentions emerging from their own hearts, as Christ told us (Mark 7:21-23).

These masonic and illuminati members have no more access to Satanic power than if they plugged an appliance into an outlet with the master breaker to the entire house switched off. Their wicked occult rituals are practiced in vain.

 

[Wrangler]

I do feel some sympathy for the girl. It sounds like a tough path to walk. But the same girl communicated to me a (paraphrased) very profound trust and closeness with the Lord. … No, just feel sorry for me dont attack me with talk of spiritual warfare or questions, all I want is sympathy...

Imagine turning this thread around. Imagine a thread started by women of the duty husbands have to love their wife and sacrifice to her as Christ sacrificed for the church AND men responded with a litany of stories of abuse by women in their lives.

These abusive women don’t even have to be the wives of these men to ‘qualify’ as a rationalization to take the burden off these men.

Further imagine hordes of men - and male sympathizing women - jumping on the bandwagon, supporting these men and doubling down on the victim card. All to divert attention from the fact that there is a command that puts a burden on husbands to unconditionally love their wife.

I cannot imagine such equality. Can you?

 

[Wrangler]

Trying to at least have one of us speak solutions to her instead of just feeling sorry for her

Ding! Ding! Ding!

 

[MA2444]

Lazarus was a believer and Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. There is no place in scripture that says we can force anyone to obey us by using the name of Jesus, otherwise, Paul would have done it to avoid persecution, and there would be no persecution. None of the disciples would have been martyred. There would be no martyrs.

You could not be more wrong. It doesnt say Paul, it says the 72 disciples.

Luke 10:
16 Then he said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.”

17 When the seventy-two disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, “Lord, even the demons obey us when we use your name!”.../NLT

You were saying?

Do you see how imbalanced your words are? I cam absolutely cast demons out of the person. And they can invite 7 more who are more vile and wicked than before because God honors our will. And yet, I can expect God to keep me.

That's what I was saying before. The gun and the Lord go together to compliment each other. If some cult dude came in your house and was coming at you with a stun gun or whatever and you pulled a 9 millie and shot him 4 times in the face the demons would leave too. Or if he stopped then you might have time to speak to the demon. STop in the name of Jesus!

I heard a man testimony of him and his friend were hiking and startled a mama brown bear and her cubs and mama immediately charged at him! He pointed his finger at it and Jesus, stop! and the ear stopped on a dime and turned!

If you dont believe this is real then what do you ask of me? Because I know it is real. Go try it for yourself on your plants. Jesus killed a fig tree once. You can too. Everybody says talk to your plants and I've done it too! It's in the authority of Jesus name but we can speak the words to initiate it. You have not because you ask not

 

[MA2444]

Imagine turning this thread around. Imagine a thread started by women of the duty husbands have to love their wife and sacrifice to her as Christ sacrificed for the church AND men responded with a litany of stories of abuse by women in their lives.

These abusive women don’t even have to be the wives of these men to ‘qualify’ as a rationalization to take the burden off these men.

Further imagine hordes of men - and male sympathizing women - jumping on the bandwagon, supporting these men and doubling down on the victim card. All to divert attention from the fact that there is a command that puts a burden on husbands to unconditionally love their wife.

I cannot imagine such equality. Can you?

Hey! What a breath of fresh air from another man in the thread! Lol.
I noticed it too, women hold men to a perfection scale and at the same time want zero accountability or responsibility.
You caught her cheating, look you made her cry! It doesn't transfer guilt to men, because a woman demands princess treatment but wont fulfil her role. Next, lol!

 

[3 Resurrections]

I'll pray more for the girl but I am inclined to speak of the Lord instead a simpatico facade and only speak sympathy to her. She's a big girl! She just shouldnt be so thin skinned.

Nobody is asking you to adopt a simpatico facade of sympathy if you aren't inclined to do so. Let's try a Thumper quote from Disney's "Bambi" to keep it simple. "If you can't say sumpin' nice, don't say nuttin' at all."

Do you not understand that women don't necessarily need for someone to "fix" their case? Sometimes they simply need to verbalize what has happened to them - just to be heard and acknowledged. Rehearsing their history - even multiple times over - is a normal part of the healing process for trauma. It is not whining, nor is it playing the victim, nor is it an exhibition of being "thin-skinned" or being a "princess". Any therapist of trauma patients can tell you the necessity for giving a voice to past trauma experiences. It helps to break the chain.

 

[TLHKAJ]

These masonic and illuminati members have no more access to Satanic power than if they plugged an appliance into an outlet with the master breaker to the entire house switched off. Their wicked occult rituals are practiced in vain.

I agree, except they know the scriptural principle of the ains of the fathers being visited upon the sons to the third and fourth generations ...and the command to train up a child in the way he SHOULD go. They do the opposite, knowing that when they are old, it is a stronghold that is passed down from generation to generation. So there is, in that way, some significance to bloodlines. And praise God, when we become Christ's we are made a new creation and have changed families!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Or if he stopped then you might have time to speak to the demon. STop in the name of Jesus!

And I gave you examples of times when this did happen. Again, talk to Paul and ask him why he allowed himself to be stoned, beaten, cast into the depth of the sea, imprisoned, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Wrangler]

Hey! What a breath of fresh air from another man in the thread! Lol.
I noticed it too, women hold men to a perfection scale and at the same time want zero accountability or responsibility.

Now, further imagine a woman in that alternate thread calling a man out on his BS not to unconditionally love his wife, to stop with the excuses AND imagine a man attempting to shame that woman for trying to get a man to ‘man up’ and demand she be more sensitive and understanding to all the trauma he went through that she cannot possibly understand as a woman?

I can’t imagine that. But women invoking victimology - while also claiming to be strong, independent and equal - in the real world is ubiquitous. The double standards are painful to see - and see accepted by both sexes.

 

[Ritajanice]

a "superior human bloodline

It’s very sad because in Gods eyes we are all equal.as human beings.

According to Genesis 1:27, men and women are created in God's image; therefore, they are equal in worth.

Some humans crave to be worshipped I’m afraid..I know only to well what the elite are like, some of them, they love you ( working class) to feel inferior to them, at one time I did...until God showed me that as a human I am there equal..Praise God for that heart revelation.

 

[Wrangler]

Do you not understand that women don't necessarily need for someone to "fix" their case?

What I understand is that women need to necessarily and unconditionally submit to their husbands per Scripture.

 

[3 Resurrections]

I agree, except they know the scriptural principle of the ains of the fathers being visited upon the sons to the third and fourth generations ...and the command to train up a child in the way he SHOULD go. They do the opposite, knowing that when they are old, it is a stronghold that is passed down from generation to generation. So there is, in that way, some significance to bloodlines. And praise God, when we become Christ's we are made a new creation and have changed families!

This would be something of the same idea as expressed by the term "generational trauma". Or as the previous generation would have said, "As the twig is bent, so grows the tree."

But our God has given us promises of the growth of His kingdom here on earth which will continually increase, like leaven and the mustard seed, until His final coming. This "stone" kingdom has already struck Daniel's statue and reduced it to dust on the wind long ago back in the first century. The increase of this "stone" kingdom will eventually fill the whole world with its effects. "Greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world". I have optimistic faith that God is as good as His word, and will accomplish this in spite of any human schemes to counter this.

You speak of evil "strongholds" passed down from generation to generation. That is a good word to use, because scripture tells us that we have been granted the ability by the indwelling Spirit to destroy these strongholds (2 Cor. 10:40). Through my personal scripture study, I have been working at destroying the strongholds that once held me under bondage to what my parents and false church doctrines had burdened me with. In contrast, Christ's yoke is easy, and His burden is light. Even considering the extreme level of bondage which you were placed in from childhood , it is equally evil to have the false teachings of Christian institutions causing spiritual abuse - and using God as an excuse to bolster their abusive rule as "lords over God's heritage". Both methods of abuse are abominable to God.

 

[3 Resurrections]

What I understand is that women need to necessarily and unconditionally submit to their husbands per Scripture.

What you presume the word "submit" means is entirely different than God's intent. You sound just like my parents with their skewed interpretation of what "obey in everything" meant. Their interpretation of this verse warped their entire lives, and had a ruinous effect on the marriages of all their children. It has taken me the better part of my 46 years of married life to finally recognize just how horribly flawed their doctrine was on this point.

"No one can serve two masters". I have one Master, and that is Christ Jesus my Lord and King. There is no second master.

 

[Wrangler]

What you presume the word "submit" means is entirely different than God's intent.

Oh, enlighten me on my presumption of what Scripture means.

women hold men to a perfection scale and at the same time want zero accountability or responsibility.

Case in point; perfect presumptions of what Scripture means. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[3 Resurrections]

Oh, enlighten me on my presumption of what Scripture means.

Why should I do that? A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. And I have a job to do today of installing rockwool insulation under the floor of my renovation project that takes priority right now...back later....

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

They are not being instructed to obey their husbands, but rather to obey the word of God as pertaining to conduct toward their husbands.

"Obey husbands as you obey the Lord".

That makes sense. Jesus gives us all good commandments. So then if a husband is unrighteous, ungodly, does she still remain obedient?

Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 1 Pet. 3:1-2

So even if the man is an unbeliever, ungodly, sinful, she still needs to pursue this devoted love ( demonstrating God's love and faithfulness) and obedience in hopes to win him over to the Lord.

Of course, as some have mentioned, abusive marriages that endangered the lives of a wife and children should be prevented.

Here is another message sent out to all humans - not just Christians:
Since the beginning when Eve was deceived and then sinned, God cursed her with pain in childbirth and that she would be under the authority of her husband.
" ...Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you." Gen..3:16

Woman have been wrestling with this curse since the beginning. They have been under man's thumb and rebellious about it. This thread wrestles with this concept as feminists do as well.

Here's another scripture that this applicable to all:
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. Romans 13:1-2

Woman have power to influence men. I know that wothout them, we would not achieve our best. We try harder, are more ambitious, because we must earn their favor in the beginning. Otherwise we might be complacent, lazy, messy, just not give a hoot. Heck we might just take days off at a time and go fishing ... and not shower. We would be pathetic without women. They make us better men. They support us, encourage us and God certainly works through them to inspire us and do His good will.
So a woman's task in all this is godly work. It is not just on the surface superficial obedience. GOD is working through women to accomplish something in a man that we cannot always see. And vice versa, we are to love our wives as Christ loves His Church. A good wive is a man 's glory. Trust in the Lord.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @Doug,

I think if people are going to have sex with one another and marry. I believe they should stand by each other. Don't you? Some people marry people who don't have a relationship with the LORD, and some do and still have problems. Obedient, shouldn't be used to be abusive to once spouse, and if the wife needs help cleaning, reading the bible ain't doing anything worthwhile loving to help her out. Is it? Or does she need to bring all the bags in from the store and put them all away if you are at home?

 

[MA2444]

Nobody is asking you to adopt a simpatico facade of sympathy if you aren't inclined to do so. Let's try a Thumper quote from Disney's "Bambi" to keep it simple. "If you can't say sumpin' nice, don't say nuttin' at all."

Do you not understand that women don't necessarily need for someone to "fix" their case? Sometimes they simply need to verbalize what has happened to them - just to be heard and acknowledged. Rehearsing their history - even multiple times over - is a normal part of the healing process for trauma. It is not whining, nor is it playing the victim, nor is it an exhibition of being "thin-skinned" or being a "princess". Any therapist of trauma patients can tell you the necessity for giving a voice to past trauma experiences. It helps to break the chain.

I see what happened here! You missed how this started! I wasnt verbalizing anything to her. We had talked before and she got mad at me and so we was just both posting to the same thread, but I was staying out of her way so it wouldn't happen again. I did not post to her. She quoted one of my posts to a different member and began talking to me.

Are you saying that I should have ignored her because I know she is a woman? Sigh. That's absurd. Shall I stop talking to her when she posts to me again and again? She didnt tell me to stop responding to her, so stop trying to make it sound like I am the bad guy here. If you think that girl is so unstable that I should stop responding to her maybe she should have a padded room somewhere and not be on the internet posting to men and then oh woe is me he spoke to me...That's nuts. Besides, she hasnt said that to me. Oh she gets frustrated and says things here and there but so what? I have good days and bad days too. Is she not still a Sister in Christ? Shall I stop speaking the Lord to her?

If she is so traumatized and dont like me and wants me to shut up, is it all right if she tells me? Or am I expected roll over into nothing but the love of Jesus and only speak of lollipops and rainbows to her because some other sympathetic women are (well intentioned!) rooting for her and you guys are acting like she gets preferential treatment because she has been traumatized and this is an "Emotions Only" thread except that it's not. She hasnt said any of that to me. But she'll sure the the simpatico comments from you women who speak and validate her! Interesting. I think she might be playing a game. But the girl is talking to me ok, so will you at least let her speak? She can say get lost just as fast as you can.

I could say you women who think you are supporting her are actually making more of this than it is. This is her testimonies and her life and she has continued to speak about it. So she;s already smarter than all of you women. (ducks). So will you women let her talk or let her say I'm done talking to you Ed on her own? Is that asking too much? Is that too impolite? Gee I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings mamm but gee whiz, scripture doesnt say we walk by emotions, now does it? I'm sorry but the Kingdom of God is a bigger fish to fry than a womans emotions. It is what it is.

 

[MA2444]

Imagine turning this thread around. Imagine a thread started by women of the duty husbands have to love their wife and sacrifice to her as Christ sacrificed for the church AND men responded with a litany of stories of abuse by women in their lives.

These abusive women don’t even have to be the wives of these men to ‘qualify’ as a rationalization to take the burden off these men.

Further imagine hordes of men - and male sympathizing women - jumping on the bandwagon, supporting these men and doubling down on the victim card. All to divert attention from the fact that there is a command that puts a burden on husbands to unconditionally love their wife.

I cannot imagine such equality. Can you?

Nope. Lol. Can you hear these women? Oh my gosh! Since when has speaking the truth been an offense? Jesus has spoken to me and said things before that made me feel like I wanted to fall through the floor! I did not like hearing it. But that's the cool thing about how he talks! He doesnt ever speak condemnation, he can point out a truth and the truth itself is what cuts deep and says, hey boy...! But I know He is right so I shut my mouth and listen! Yes Sir. ! I learned that the hard way, lol.

This is almost like the feminist thread where the women are asking me to be more feminine and allow them more control and manipulation. They mean well, but they are clueless.

 

[MA2444]

And I gave you examples of times when this did happen. Again, talk to Paul and ask him why he allowed himself to be stoned, beaten, cast into the depth of the sea, imprisoned, etc, etc, etc.

Oh so you stayed in order that you may suffer more? I've never heard of doing that before but if you feel called to suffer in those ways then that's your business. But isn't that almost like looking for trouble of the wrong time? I don't think that Paul ever went looking to get stoned or beaten, I think he just walked it out as it happened to him. And in walking it out they let him down the wall in a basket so he could get away from the bad guys, didn't they? I think that was Paul!

What do they call that calling? Being an Intercessor? I have heard of sort of similar stuff but it was not with a Cult and people possessed by demons, that's the enemy and if you admit there is at least a couple things you wont tell me about it...then what do expect me to think? You havent said to me dont speak about God so let's stick with Him on this and not emotions, ok?