POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

[David in NJ]

Any dynamic of more than one coming destroys every single postribber hope of their Doctrine.
Hands down blows it away

Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth,
a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?”

 

[The Light]

Where does it say they have bodies and had been raptured? John never said he saw anyone with bodies in heaven. He said he saw the souls of the dead in Christ there (Rev 6:9-11, Rev 20:4).

The 24 elders have crowns. Obviously, Jesus has come. That means new bodies.

Revelation 3
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

The souls of all of the dead in Christ who are waiting for the redemption of their bodies.

Those are souls under the altar. More of their fellow servants must die before Jesus comes for this harvest. The harvest will take place at the 6th seal which is the gathering from heaven and earth.

Revelation 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Are you making any effort at all to read what I say and understand what I believe? Have I not told you multiple times that I see parallels in the book? I'm sure I have. So, I do not see the trumpets as occurring after the seventh seal is opened like you do. So, I believe the fifth trumpet occurs before the sixth seal.

That's impossible. The seven seals happen in order. The seven trumpets happen after the 7th seal is opened, and they also happen in order.

I'm sorry if I am having trouble following what you believe. It's totally illogical and impossible.

Doesn't WPM think the trumpets have already begun happening? And yet he cannot show when, which is understandable.

So, that's what I do with those five months. Which you should have already known if you actually paid closer attention to what I tell you.

I can't follow what you are saying because my mind thinks with logic. When something is absolutely illogical and impossible it gets discarded quickly.

No, I did not! You are very obviously not reading anything I'm saying carefully. I believe the rapture occurs upon the sounding of the 7th trumpet as I believe the 7th trumpet is also the last trumpet (1 Cor 15:50-56).

If you believe that the rapture is at the 7th trumpet, you have the Church on earth during the wrath of God. You may claim that you don't but it is obvious that you do.

I completely disagree, but I'm losing interest in repeating the same arguments with you over and over. Especially when I know you don't read what I say carefully, anyway. Unless you can bring something new to the table, let's just agree to disagree and move on.

I do read what you say. You say the Church is on earth until the 7th trumpet but don't realize that the trumpets are part of the Day of the Lord. In other words, the trumpets are the wrath of God as are vials and both occur during the seventh seal. No seals have be opened as of yet. They will be very soon.

 

[The Light]

GOD strongly recommends you heed His words less you remain as Job's blind 'friends'


The Book of Job, the suffering of Job, and the TRUTH of God utterly destroys the LIE of pre-trib rapture.

Repent from the LIE of pre-trib rapture(lifting up an idol before God) and pray that the LORD will fill you with His Holy Spirit.

So you don't believe God that He will come in an hour that you think not. You think He delays His coming and now you smite your fellow servants. I've read about that somewhere.

Matthew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[David in NJ]

So you don't believe God that He will come in an hour that you think not. You think He delays His coming and now you smite your fellow servants. I've read about that somewhere.

Matthew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Hello Brother

Praise God for i have never said and never will say "My lord delays his coming"
The Holy Spirit has me on the Path of Righteousness as i eagerly wait for His Coming = 1 Thessalonians 1:10

Everyday i am in prayer to My Savior, edifying the saints in the Truth and to WARN those who oppose the Truth.
Everyday i make sure my lamp is filled with the Anointing Oil of God.

i highly recommend the Apostle John to you because he is 100% Pure Post-Tribber, just like his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

But you(David) have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.
I have not written to you because you do not know the truth,
but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

Let me know if you understand what the Apostle John wrote here.

SHALOM

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The 24 elders have crowns. Obviously, Jesus has come. That means new bodies.

Revelation 3
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

The crowns are symbolic, not literal, so having crowns does not imply that they have bodies. There is nothing that says no one receives any crowns until Jesus comes.

Those are souls under the altar. More of their fellow servants must die before Jesus comes for this harvest. The harvest will take place at the 6th seal which is the gathering from heaven and earth.

Revelation 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

That's impossible. The seven seals happen in order. The seven trumpets happen after the 7th seal is opened, and they also happen in order.

That's your opinion, but it's wrong. You miss the parallels in the book of Revelation and think everything is chronological and that's not the right way to interpret the book.

I'm sorry if I am having trouble following what you believe. It's totally illogical and impossible.

No, it isn't. How can you even know that if you don't understand what I believe? Only if you understood it could you then decide it it's "illogical and impossible" or not. You can't say that about something that you don't even understand.

Doesn't WPM think the trumpets have already begun happening? And yet he cannot show when, which is understandable.

There is no indication of exact timing in the book of Revelation, so it's ridiculous to expect someone to give you that. The book generally contains parallel descriptions of things that happen between the first and second coming of Christ without giving the exact timing of any events.

I can't follow what you are saying because my mind thinks with logic. When something is absolutely illogical and impossible it gets discarded quickly.

Your mind thinks carnally instead of spiritually. That's why you can't understand anything that isn't literal or chronological. Logic is not just limited to things that are easy, literal and straightforward. It's not logical to take such a literal, chronological approach to an Apocalyptic and highly symbolic book like Revelation the way you do.

If you believe that the rapture is at the 7th trumpet, you have the Church on earth during the wrath of God. You may claim that you don't but it is obvious that you do.

Only based on your understanding, but not mine. I could not care less if that was the case based on your understanding because all that matters is that is not the case according to my understanding because I don't have any believers having any of God's wrath coming down upon them in my view. That's a fact. You can try to say otherwise all you want, but it's not up to you to tell me what I believe.

I do read what you say. You say the Church is on earth until the 7th trumpet but don't realize that the trumpets are part of the Day of the Lord.

No, they are not. You have no evidence whatsoever to support that. Read passages that actually refer to the day of the Lord like 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 and tell me how those line up with your understanding of the day of the Lord.

In other words, the trumpets are the wrath of God as are vials and both occur during the seventh seal. No seals have be opened as of yet. They will be very soon.

To interpret the book of Revelation as if it's a book only about the future, as you believe, directly contradicts what this verse says:

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

It's a book about things that happened before it was written, while it was being written and things that would happen from then on up until the second coming of Christ. Until you understand that, you will continue to misinterpret most of the book.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you don't believe God that He will come in an hour that you think not. You think He delays His coming and now you smite your fellow servants. I've read about that somewhere.

Matthew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

He did not say that and it is completely out of line to associate him with hypocrites who will end up in the lake of fire. Who are you to condemn him like that? Are you the Judge or is Jesus the Judge (John 5:22)? What is wrong with you?

 

[The Light]

The crowns are symbolic, not literal

Are you saying that when Jesus comes, we will not receive our rewards as promised? They are just symbolic? Are the 24 elders just symbolic? Do the 24 elders cast their crowns before the throne as the John saw or is the throne just symbolic?

How could possibly expect to understand anything about Word if you symbolize everything that shows your doctrine is in complete and total error?

so having crowns does not imply that they have bodies. There is nothing that says no one receives any crowns until Jesus comes.

Jesus comes. We have new bodies. When he comes He brings His reward with Him.

Revelation 22
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

That's your opinion, but it's wrong. You miss the parallels in the book of Revelation and think everything is chronological and that's not the right way to interpret the book.

So you just decided not to accept the order of the seals and the trumpets because you realize that your doctrine will be exposed?

No, it isn't. How can you even know that if you don't understand what I believe? Only if you understood it could you then decide it it's "illogical and impossible" or not. You can't say that about something that you don't even understand.

Taking things out of numerical order such as the seals is illogical. They are put in order for a reason.

This makes as much sense as rearranging the order of the trumpets.

There is no indication of exact timing in the book of Revelation, so it's ridiculous to expect someone to give you that. The book generally contains parallel descriptions of things that happen between the first and second coming of Christ without giving the exact timing of any events.

Revelation 4
4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Your mind thinks carnally instead of spiritually. That's why you can't understand anything that isn't literal or chronological. Logic is not just limited to things that are easy, literal and straightforward. It's not logical to take such a literal, chronological approach to an Apocalyptic and highly symbolic book like Revelation the way you do.

It seems that believing what is written is more spiritual than finding the need to change what is written so your doctrine will work. If you don't like something...........it's symbolic.

Only based on your understanding, but not mine. I could not care less if that was the case based on your understanding because all that matters is that is not the case according to my understanding because I don't have any believers having any of God's wrath coming down upon them in my view. That's a fact. You can try to say otherwise all you want, but it's not up to you to tell me what I believe.

The trumpets and vials are the wrath of God which occur is in the seventh seal. You believing differently is not going to change the facts.

To interpret the book of Revelation as if it's a book only about the future, as you believe, directly contradicts what this verse says:

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

It's a book about things that happened before it was written, while it was being written and things that would happen from then on up until the second coming of Christ. Until you understand that, you will continue to misinterpret most of the book.

Are you unable to understand what things are hereafter? Let me help.

Revelation 4
4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you saying that when Jesus comes, we will not receive our rewards as promised?

Why in the world would I say that? Of course I'm not saying that. Can you please stick to asking intelligent questions?

They are just symbolic?

Yes, I believe so. Why do you care so much about physical rewards? That reveals a carnal and worldly way of thinking. Do you feel a need to one day wear a literal crown on your head? Why would you care about that when you should be thinking about how you will be bowing at Christ's feet instead?

Are the 24 elders just symbolic? Do the 24 elders cast their crowns before the throne as the John saw or is the throne just symbolic?

Do you have to be so ridiculous? Because I interpret one thing to be symbolic means I have to interpret everything to be symbolic? Surely, you understand that there is both symbolic and literal text in the book of Revelation?

Do you understand that just because John saw things it doesn't mean they were literal things? He saw a beast with seven heads and ten horns. Does that make it a literal beast with seven literal heads and ten literal horns?

How could possibly expect to understand anything about Word if you symbolize everything that shows your doctrine is in complete and total error?

LOL. I don't symbolize everything. You literalize everything. I have shown many parts of your doctrine to be false, so you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about. Also, when someone has a doctrine to themselves, as you do with your ludicrous 5 rapture doctrine, then you know it's false because God does not reveal truth to just one person.

Jesus comes. We have new bodies. When he comes He brings His reward with Him.

Revelation 22
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

As if I deny this? It doesn't mean that the souls of the dead in Christ can't get any kind of reward before that.

So you just decided not to accept the order of the seals and the trumpets because you realize that your doctrine will be exposed?

LOL. Interpreting it that way contradicts other scripture. Why do you not care about that? Interpreting the vials to all come after the seventh trumpet makes nonsense out of what it describes as occurring at the seventh trumpet in Revelation 10:7 and Revelation 11:15-18. Being a premil makes nonsense out of the fact that it says it's the time of the dead being judged at the seventh trumpet. When are the dead judged? AFTER the thousand years (Rev 20:11-15). So, it's your doctrine that is being exposed here, not mine.

Taking things out of numerical order such as the seals is illogical. They are put in order for a reason.

This shows that you have no understanding of what I'm saying. I'm not saying that the seals are not in order. Hello? When did I ever say that? Never! Read what I actually say. They are in order, but I'm saying that the first seal, trumpet and vial are parallel and then the second seal, trumpet and vial are parallel, and then the third seal, trumpet and vial are parallel and so on.

This makes as much sense as rearranging the order of the trumpets.

I don't do that. You have nothing to offer except for misrepresenting my view.

Revelation 4
4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

What is your point in posting this verse?

It seems that believing what is written is more spiritual than finding the need to change what is written so your doctrine will work. If you don't like something...........it's symbolic.

You mean like how you change the timing of the dead being judged, which occurs at the seventh trumpet (Rev 11:18) to being before the thousand years instead of after the thousand years?

The trumpets and vials are the wrath of God which occur is in the seventh seal. You believing differently is not going to change the facts.

LOL at you calling your weak and unsupportable opinions "facts".

Are you unable to understand what things are hereafter? Let me help.

Revelation 4
4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

What is your point here? How does this verse support your doctrine? You think just quoting verses with no commentary does anything to support your view? That verse certainly does not go against my view, so you need to explain how you think it does. John was going to be shown things that would occur from that point on. So? Do you turn "hereafter" into the distant future?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Why in the world would I say that? Of course I'm not saying that. Can you please stick to asking intelligent questions?


Yes, I believe so. Why do you care so much about physical rewards? That reveals a carnal and worldly way of thinking. Do you feel a need to one day wear a literal crown on your head? Why would you care about that when you should be thinking about how you will be bowing at Christ's feet instead?


Do you have to be so ridiculous? Because I interpret one thing to be symbolic means I have to interpret everything to be symbolic? Surely, you understand that there is both symbolic and literal text in the book of Revelation?

Do you understand that just because John saw things it doesn't mean they were literal things? He saw a beast with seven heads and ten horns. Does that make it a literal beast with seven literal heads and ten literal horns?


LOL. I don't symbolize everything. You literalize everything. I have shown many parts of your doctrine to be false, so you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about. Also, when someone has a doctrine to themselves, as you do with your ludicrous 5 rapture doctrine, then you know it's false because God does not reveal truth to just one person.



As if I deny this? It doesn't mean that the souls of the dead in Christ can't get any kind of reward before that.


LOL. Interpreting it that way contradicts other scripture. Why do you not care about that? Interpreting the vials to all come after the seventh trumpet makes nonsense out of what it describes as occurring at the seventh trumpet in Revelation 10:7 and Revelation 11:15-18. Being a premil makes nonsense out of the fact that it says it's the time of the dead being judged at the seventh trumpet. When are the dead judged? AFTER the thousand years (Rev 20:11-15). So, it's your doctrine that is being exposed here, not mine.



This shows that you have no understanding of what I'm saying. I'm not saying that the seals are not in order. Hello? When did I ever say that? Never! Read what I actually say. They are in order, but I'm saying that the first seal, trumpet and vial are parallel and then the second seal, trumpet and vial are parallel, and then the third seal, trumpet and vial are parallel and so on.


I don't do that. You have nothing to offer except for misrepresenting my view.


What is your point in posting this verse?


You mean like how you change the timing of the dead being judged, which occurs at the seventh trumpet (Rev 11:18) to being before the thousand years instead of after the thousand years?



LOL at you calling your weak and unsupportable opinions "facts".


What is your point here? How does this verse support your doctrine? You think just quoting verses with no commentary does anything to support your view? That verse certainly does not go against my view, so you need to explain how you think it does. John was going to be shown things that would occur from that point on. So? Do you turn "hereafter" into the distant future?

Amil.
No evidence of a past AC, flying scorpions, hailstones of fire, sea turning to blood , etc,

 

[Taken]

POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

No such thing as a “post-trib RAPTURE”.

During the tribulation sent from Heaven…
Mens bodys will DIE on earth, and Not rise up to heaven.

Post tribulation sent from Heaven….
Mens bodys will DIE on earth, and Not rise up to heaven.

Their BODY’s WILL be Raised on the Earth…
Called a Resurrection.

Pre-trib RAPTURE., is Expressly regarding Christ’s Church who has been MADE WHOLE, and the WHOLE of the man….Risen up in a glorified body, saved soul, quicken spirit….raised up to the air, to meet the Lord and returns to Earth with the Lord, during His 1,000 yrs reign.

Different terms mean different things…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rebuilder 454]

Why in the world would I say that? Of course I'm not saying that. Can you please stick to asking intelligent questions?


Yes, I believe so. Why do you care so much about physical rewards? That reveals a carnal and worldly way of thinking. Do you feel a need to one day wear a literal crown on your head? Why would you care about that when you should be thinking about how you will be bowing at Christ's feet instead?


Do you have to be so ridiculous? Because I interpret one thing to be symbolic means I have to interpret everything to be symbolic? Surely, you understand that there is both symbolic and literal text in the book of Revelation?

Do you understand that just because John saw things it doesn't mean they were literal things? He saw a beast with seven heads and ten horns. Does that make it a literal beast with seven literal heads and ten literal horns?


LOL. I don't symbolize everything. You literalize everything. I have shown many parts of your doctrine to be false, so you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about. Also, when someone has a doctrine to themselves, as you do with your ludicrous 5 rapture doctrine, then you know it's false because God does not reveal truth to just one person.



As if I deny this? It doesn't mean that the souls of the dead in Christ can't get any kind of reward before that.


LOL. Interpreting it that way contradicts other scripture. Why do you not care about that? Interpreting the vials to all come after the seventh trumpet makes nonsense out of what it describes as occurring at the seventh trumpet in Revelation 10:7 and Revelation 11:15-18. Being a premil makes nonsense out of the fact that it says it's the time of the dead being judged at the seventh trumpet. When are the dead judged? AFTER the thousand years (Rev 20:11-15). So, it's your doctrine that is being exposed here, not mine.



This shows that you have no understanding of what I'm saying. I'm not saying that the seals are not in order. Hello? When did I ever say that? Never! Read what I actually say. They are in order, but I'm saying that the first seal, trumpet and vial are parallel and then the second seal, trumpet and vial are parallel, and then the third seal, trumpet and vial are parallel and so on.


I don't do that. You have nothing to offer except for misrepresenting my view.


What is your point in posting this verse?


You mean like how you change the timing of the dead being judged, which occurs at the seventh trumpet (Rev 11:18) to being before the thousand years instead of after the thousand years?



LOL at you calling your weak and unsupportable opinions "facts".


What is your point here? How does this verse support your doctrine? You think just quoting verses with no commentary does anything to support your view? That verse certainly does not go against my view, so you need to explain how you think it does. John was going to be shown things that would occur from that point on. So? Do you turn "hereafter" into the distant future?

Amil.
No evidence of a past AC, flying scorpions, hailstones of fire, sea turning to blood , etc

POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

No such thing as a “post-trib RAPTURE”.

During the tribulation sent from Heaven…
Mens bodys will DIE on earth, and Not rise up to heaven.

Post tribulation sent from Heaven….
Mens bodys will DIE on earth, and Not rise up to heaven.

Their BODY’s WILL be Raised on the Earth…
Called a Resurrection.

Pre-trib RAPTURE., is Expressly regarding Christ’s Church who has been MADE WHOLE, and the WHOLE of the man….Risen up in a glorified body, saved soul, quicken spirit….raised up to the air, to meet the Lord and returns to Earth with the Lord, during His 1,000 yrs reign.

Different terms mean different things…

Glory to God,
Taken

Ditto
Well said

 

[ChristinaL]

The 24 elders have crowns. Obviously, Jesus has come. That means new bodies.

Revelation 3
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 4
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Those are souls under the altar. More of their fellow servants must die before Jesus comes for this harvest. The harvest will take place at the 6th seal which is the gathering from heaven and earth.

Revelation 6
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

That's impossible. The seven seals happen in order. The seven trumpets happen after the 7th seal is opened, and they also happen in order.

I'm sorry if I am having trouble following what you believe. It's totally illogical and impossible.

Doesn't WPM think the trumpets have already begun happening? And yet he cannot show when, which is understandable.


I can't follow what you are saying because my mind thinks with logic. When something is absolutely illogical and impossible it gets discarded quickly.

If you believe that the rapture is at the 7th trumpet, you have the Church on earth during the wrath of God. You may claim that you don't but it is obvious that you do.



I do read what you say. You say the Church is on earth until the 7th trumpet but don't realize that the trumpets are part of the Day of the Lord. In other words, the trumpets are the wrath of God as are vials and both occur during the seventh seal. No seals have be opened as of yet. They will be very soon.

Dont waste your breath with Spiritual Israelite. he is so bogged down with amillenialist garbage only God alone could make him see the truth

 

[WPM]

Dont waste your breath with Spiritual Israelite. he is so bogged down with amillenialist garbage only God alone could make him see the truth

That is a lovely way of talking about your brother. Is that how Jesus talked?

 

[Taken]

That is a lovely way of talking about your brother. Is that how Jesus talked?

Yes…speaking the Truth, is the way, (even when Jesus was calling men hypocrites) yet not always pleasant to the ears of the listeners.

It certainly MAY BE a waste of ones time to speak TO an other without understanding….BUT…the advantage here is others are able to listen in…and it MAY BE not a waste of time for THEM to hear.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

That is a lovely way of talking about your brother. Is that how Jesus talked?

Just noting…you used sarcasm while scolding a brother about how to speak to a brother…

 

[WPM]

Just noting…you used sarcasm while scolding a brother about how to speak to a brother…

You are the last one i am going to take lectures from about godly communication. Take it somewhere else.

 

[ChristinaL]

Yes…speaking the Truth, is the way, (even when Jesus was calling men hypocrites) yet not always pleasant to the ears of the listeners.

It certainly MAY BE a waste of ones time to speak TO an other without understanding….BUT…the advantage here is others are able to listen in…and it MAY BE not a waste of time for THEM to hear.

Glory to God,
Taken

I have often considered that too. But it can end up just not being worth it when you find these stubborn morons so stuck on lies that you just want to put their heads through a table. So at least for me its better to find someone else to talk to, someone who though he may be resistant himself, he's at least polite about it. There ARE such people here....

 

[Taken]

I have often considered that too. But it can end up just not being worth it when you find these stubborn morons so stuck on lies that you just want to put their heads through a table. So at least for me its better to find someone else to talk to, someone who though he may be resistant himself, he's at least polite about it. There ARE such people here....

Agree….and gave me a laugh…

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Keraz]

I have often considered that too. But it can end up just not being worth it when you find these stubborn morons so stuck on lies that you just want to put their heads through a table. So at least for me its better to find someone else to talk to, someone who though he may be resistant himself, he's at least polite about it. There ARE such people here....

'stubborn morons', are people who believe theories which do not comply with scriptural truths.

After having posted on forums for about 12 years and have never, as far as I know; got anyone to change their beliefs on the issue of a 'rapture to heaven', I still refuse to give up presenting the Biblical truths of Prophecy and our role as earthly humans in Gods Plan.

Just the fact that God has angels to serve Him in heaven, is enough to refute any notions of fallible humans being wanted in heaven.
It is said that our rewards are kept in heaven, but we do not go there to collect them, Jesus brings the rewards with Him at the glorious Return. Matthew 16:27

However, even the Lords servants are blinded, Isaiah 42:18-20, and as is very apparent, it is not the Lords wish that any list of events, or truth of what will happen, will be given to us now.
But we do have brains and common sense. Is; 'beam me up Scotty', a sensible and feasible thing to happen? I reject such sci-fi nonsense and I continue to do what I can to warn people how we must stand firm in our faith. thru all that must happen before Jesus Returns.

 

[ChristinaL]

'stubborn morons', are people who believe theories which do not comply with scriptural truths.

After having posted on forums for about 12 years and have never, as far as I know; got anyone to change their beliefs on the issue of a 'rapture to heaven', I still refuse to give up presenting the Biblical truths of Prophecy and our role as earthly humans in Gods Plan.

Just the fact that God has angels to serve Him in heaven, is enough to refute any notions of fallible humans being wanted in heaven.
It is said that our rewards are kept in heaven, but we do not go there to collect them, Jesus brings the rewards with Him at the glorious Return. Matthew 16:27

However, even the Lords servants are blinded, Isaiah 42:18-20, and as is very apparent, it is not the Lords wish that any list of events, or truth of what will happen, will be given to us now.
But we do have brains and common sense. Is; 'beam me up Scotty', a sensible and feasible thing to happen? I reject such sci-fi nonsense and I continue to do what I can to warn people how we must stand firm in our faith. thru all that must happen before Jesus Returns.

so then you are calling Jesus a liar when He says that He will gather us to Himself in His Father's house in heaven? Come on man you would have to be a complete idiot not to understand this. Matthew 16:27 doesnt in any way deny that we go to heaven.