14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

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So when Jesus said "Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves",

according to you he was not telling the truth,

You must have arrive at that Accusation by Reading something I Said…

Quote me making such a statement, and I will address my own words.

 

[Phoneman777]

I'm happily undecided on these things. Thanatology raises a bunch of awkward questions, such as...

Why is it necessary to resurrect the unrighteous dead before the Judgment?

They aren't. "But the rest of the dead (the wicked) lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

Why are the evil dead being tortured before they've been Judged?

They aren't. When we die, we cease to exist until the one or the other of the two resurrections.

The idea that the martyrs have some consciousness in death, and accuse their murderers seems to be Biblically founded. That shouldn't imply that everyone else has some consciousness after death and before the resurrection. However, it does raise another question...

"Souls under the altar crying out" and "Abel's blood crieth out" are symbolic expressions. Since the "life" is in the "blood" what these expressions means is that when God sees unjust bloodshed, His justice cries out within him for vengeance.

White and red corpuscles on the ground don't have vocal cords and "disembodied souls" neither have vocal cords or hang around under altars because there's no such thing as a "disembodied soul". Souls cease to exist at death.

Was Jesus implying that Lazarus was a martyr? And if so, blaming the leadership of the day for murder-by-societal-neglect?

Jesus chose the name "Lazarus" in the parable so when the people would soon see Him resurrect the real Lazarus - and the Jews not only refuse to believe, but would go away to plot the destruction of both Jesus and Lazarus - the people would remember what He said about them not wanting to "believe, though one rose from the dead" in the parable.

THE PARABLE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE - MATTHEW 15:22-28 KJV UNLOCKS THE MEANING OF THIS PARABLE AND REVEALS IT'S ACTUALLY A WARNING TO THE JEWS:

>The Rich Man represents the Jews, who called Abraham "father" and Abraham acknowledged with "son".
>Lazarus represents the Gentiles outside the gate with the "dogs" - what Jews to this day call non-Jews.
>The Table from which he ate represents the covenants, promises, commandments, lively oracles.
>The Gate represents the separation between Jew and Gentiles cut off from the Table of Blessing.
>The crumbs falling from the Table represent the Jews' ingratitude for and rejection of God's blessings.

THIS WARNING OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE JEWS DID NOT REPENT WAS NOT HEEDED, AND CAME TO PASS:

>The Jews requested and are now tormented by the "curse" - "wrath has come upon them to the uttermost".
>The Gentile "Israel of God" church is in the "bosom of Abraham" as his "seed" and "heirs" of the promises.
>The Gentile "Israel of God" church is in now "comforted" by the Comforter - the Holy Spirit.
>The Gentile "Israel of God" church is that into which God now calls all who will be saved by faith, not sight.

When we encounter a fence post that appears to be misaligned with the hundreds of others along the highway, does it make sense to dig up the rest or to see what's causing the problem with the one?

 

[Phoneman777]

Point is…
You do not clearly make your own point, nor answer questions to clarify your point.

God Forms A Body, from dust of the Earth.
God calls “THAT” form, A Man.

Is that Form, Alive? No.

Is a Man being Formed in the Womb Living? No.

Is Man being formed in the womb Alive?
Yes.

What is the LIFE of the man in the womb? It’s Blood.

When does that man become Living?
When it is Born.

When that man is Alive AND born Living, what does God DO to that Created, Alive, Living man?
Give that man “a-gift from God, (Called a Soul), (that you say Does Not exist)? No.

Give that man a Gift (That IS Gods), Called a SOUL, delivered FROM God, INTO the mans Body, via God blowing that Gift INTO the mans Formed Nostrils, which Has Gods LIFE IN that Soul? Yes.

What Has God Done?
Created A Form, Called Man, it’s Life, Blood.
Given that Form, Body, Man: a Gift of Gods, Called a Soul, with Gods Life, Called Gods Breath of Life.

The man was MADE to Become A Living Soul.

And WHAT “instantly” happens to THAT body, having Received a Living Soul???

Doubt you know.

Does the Man, Form, Body, Life/Blood, Stop Being A Man, Form, Body, it’s Life Blood? No

The Moment the man is Born, Alive, Living…
Is that Man, Form, Bod, it’s Life / Blood…Already Judged, Sentenced TO Die? Yes.

WAS, the living soul, IN the Man, that it and it’s Life which Belongs to God…Judged and Sentenced to Death…? No.

Why Did God Give “such a Gift WITH” Gods Life, into the Man, Form, Body, which has its Own Life / Blood? You could not answer.

Because you do not understand…the ROLE Gods Gift of a Soul IN a man, form, body is destin to carry out.

No where does Scripture teach, the Soul, the Life in the Soul, (Gods Breath)…is Judged, is Sentenced to Die.

Gods Life, never Dies.
“Things” Gods Life IS “IN”… CAN Die….

A BODY, Shall DIE…when it’s Life / Blood, is removed or otherwise stops flowing and pumping the Heart.

A SOUL Dies, when God removes His Breath of Life from the Soul.

Men bury Dead Body’s,.

God departs Every Living Soul (out from) Dead Body’s …( less you forget all souls ARE Gods and God is a God “OF” the Living)!!

What Does God DO with Living Departed souls (out of dead Body’s of men)?

The Same, “as the men DID, While their Body was Alive…”
* Meaning…
* Some Alive men,( even with Gods soul with Gods Life….Rejected God, while alive, Rejected God.)…
* Thus God ALLOWS their Departed Living Soul, to Continue Rejecting God…IN Hell…continuing to be Separated from God…. Waiting for the Day of Judgement of Their Body and Gods Soul given into their Body at their Birth.

* Other men, having Trusted to Believe IN God, AND become forgiven (By God) of their bodily sins (against God), and their causing sin of the Soul (against God)…
Also have their dead body buried…
And THEIR FORGIVEN departed Living soul, risen up to Heaven, to wait WITH God in comfort, peace, rest…For The Day of Judgement of their body and soul and spirit.

The dead lifeless body, and departed living “unforgiven soul”… at Judgement, shall Have Gods Life departed from their Living soul…and Both, their lifeless body and lifeless soul Shall be Destroyed….and forgotten.

So your false broad claims of “the immortal soul” crowd… are Void of the Truth and Order and Way and Facts.

All body’s Shall Die, God requires the Life (Blood) of mans body.
Some souls Shall Live Forever.
Some souls Shall have Gods Life departed their soul and their Body and Soul Destroyed, become ash, and forgotten.

And no, I will not quote you verses, already have, which you ignore addressing and deny they were quoted to you.

Glory to God,
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Genesis 2:7 absolutely teaches and always will teach that the Living Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and Breath of Life, and consequently, must go out of existence at the dissolution of the same:

Body + Breath of Life = Living Soul comes into existence
Body - Breath of Life = Living Soul ceases to exist

"Soul" ("nephesh" or "psyche") always refers to either an "individual" person or creature (such as Paul's "276 souls") or the "quality" of being alive (such as when Rachel's "soul was departing" aka "Rachel was dying" - never to a "disembodied human spirit".

 

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Genesis 2:7 absolutely teaches and always will teach that the Living Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and Breath of Life, and consequently, must go out of existence at the dissolution of the same:

Body + Breath of Life = Living Soul comes into existence
Body - Breath of Life = Living Soul ceases to exist

All souls belong to God.
The Life in the soul belongs to God.

A living (Gods Breath IN a Soul) blown (by God )into the nostrils of a formed / born individual manKIND of being…brings INTO Life / Function; the mans communication skills.
The eyes see.
The mouth utters sound.
The nose smells.
The tongue tastes.
The ears hear.

That soul is identified by the Name given the Body…( whose Life is it’s Blood).

The Body (called Mortal), meaning it HAS a physical Death Sentence, shall / must Physically Die.

The living Soul, shall depart out of the Dead Body.

The Body, the Soul, the Spirit are Three Separate things.
The Body is visible to Living mens eyes.
The soul is invisible to Living mens eyes.
The spirit is invisible to Living mens eyes.

Body, soul, spirit of a man, all have the same Name.

Scripture Reveals God Created His Creations in 6 Days.

Gods Creation WAS the timeframe of being all things INTO Existence…so no…

@Phoneman777 ”Body + Breath of Life = Living Soul comes into existence”

I disagree.
Nothing new under the Sun.

Gods Creations, is Not dependent upon our discoveries of Gods Creations.

 

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"Soul" ("nephesh" or "psyche") always refers to either an "individual" person or creature (such as Paul's "276 souls") or the "quality" of being alive (such as when Rachel's "soul was departing" aka "Rachel was dying" - never to a "disembodied human spirit".

God IS Spirit.

Gods Life is Spirit.

Life in a soul IS Spirit.

Life in a mans “born again (natural) spirit”, is Spirit, born of Gods Seed.

When Rachel’s (bodily) Died, Rachel’s Living Soul (that belongs to God) departed her Dead Body….
And was “escorted by holy angels” to a place of comfort….
OR
Was Sent to hell to experience discomfort….

Just the same as for all other Humans.
And the Human remains disposed of…by living men….buried or burned.

 

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So when Jesus said "Most certainly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you don’t have life in yourselves", according to you he was not telling the truth, for this figure of speech, just like the parable in Luke 16, was not literally true.


Yes, because it is very evident that he did make up stories, e.g. Matthew 13:24-25 (WEB):

(24) He set another parable before them, saying, “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field,​

(25) but while people slept, his enemy came and sowed darnel weeds also among the wheat, and went away.​

etc.​

Then, of course, there is the parable of the rich man and the poor man in Luke 16, which is clearly made up, and makes use of the false ideas that the Pharisees borrowed and believed from Greek mythology and their false belief that Abraham was alive and in paradise, despite the Scriptures saying that nobody will live again until the still future resurrection. Jesus included in the parable things which the Pharisees believed, but they were not true. He conveyed the message using things the people he was talking to believed and understood, even though they were not true.

I think we've spent more than enough time arguing about the meaning of English words - let's stop now. 2 Timothy 2:14 (WEB):

(14) Remind them of these things, charging them in the sight of the Lord, that they don’t argue about words, to no profit, to the subverting of those who hear.​

Did you figure out the understanding of Jesus’ Word in you Own Mind, or did Someone Tell you?

 

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Yes, because it is very evident that he did make up stories, e.g. Matthew 13:24-25 (WEB):

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(24) He set another parable before them, saying, “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a man who sowed good seedin his field,

(25) but while people slept, his enemy came and sowed darnel weeds also among the wheat, and went away.​

etc.​

You ignored is Like. Which is a comparison.
How is that Not True?

Then, of course, there is the parable of U]the rich man and the poor man in Luke 16, which is clearly made up, [/U]and makes use of the false ideas that the Pharisees borrowed and believed from Greek mythology and their false belief that Abraham was alive and in paradise, despite the Scriptures saying that nobody will live again until the still future resurrection. Jesus included in the parable things which the Pharisees believed, but they were not true. He conveyed the message using things the people he was talking to believed and understood, even though they were not true.

Soul IN the body….Soul is Living, body is living.

Soul departed out of Body … Soul is Living, Body is Dead.

Taught in 1 Kings 17:
[17] And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.
[18] And she said unto Elijah, What have I to do with thee, O thou man of God? art thou come unto me to call my sin to remembrance, and to slay my son?
[19] And he said unto her, Give me thy son. And he took him out of her bosom, and carried him up into a loft, where he abode, and laid him upon his own bed.
[20] And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?
[21] And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
[22] And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
[23] And Elijah took the child, and brought him down out of the chamber into the house, and delivered him unto his mother: and Elijah said, See, thy son liveth.
[24] And the woman said to Elijah, Now by this I know that thou art a man of God, and that the word of the LORD in thy mouth is truth.

Ya think that False?
Ya think…the LORD RETURNED a “Dead Soul” into the Dead Body, and that Revived the boys Dead Body?

I think we've spent more than enough time arguing about the meaning of English words -

Words are not the Problem…
It is a difference between…
What one Trusts to Believe…
And
The difference between Carnal or Spiritual Understanding of Gods Approved Teaching.

 

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Why are the evil dead being tortured before they've been Judged?

Judgements are routinely made throughout a mans natural Lifetime.

Man who exercises his FREEWILL to not be “with” God… God makes His Judgement call to not be “with” that man.
(which happened, on and off for centuries regarding The ISRAELITES.)

With the inclusion of the Gentiles, the same thing occurs, individuals “with” then not “with” God, and God responds the same.

The last days Tribulations sent from Heaven…
7 seals, 7 trumps, 7 bowls, are All Judgements.

The Ongoing Judgements…determines the individuals “status”. ( so to speak)… whenever the mans BODY dies…
** IF that man was…With or Without God at the moment his Body Dies.
With?… His Living soul departs his dead body and Continues Being “With”, waiting for Final Judgement Day.

Without?
** IF that man bodily died on a day he was “Not With God”, then his Living soul departs his body and IS SENT to a place Gods prepared for Departed Living Souls Against Him, AnD Separated from God, to wait for Final Judgement Day.
*** Their Torment IS existing “without” the plesantries, they had, they enjoyed while alive in their Flesh Body’s’ WHILE Rejecting to Believe or acknowledge those WERE comforts From God….
Such AS…
* Pleasant to the Eyes, scenery of the Earth, landscapes, oceans, Sunshine, Colors, Flowers. etc.
* Pleasant to the Ears, sounds, birds chirping, thunder, music, pleasant conversation, singing, etc.
* Pleasant to the Nose, smells, flowers, roasting meat, delightful aromas, etc.
* Pleasant to the Tongue, tastes of food, drink, spices, sauces, ice, etc.
* Pleasant to the Feel, a cool breeze, a swim in water, caress, cuddling with a child, a pet, etc.

These Pleasantries do NOT Exist “For” departed Living souls Against God
(Thus, that IS a mans, departed living souls’ Torture…agony…utter and continual Displeasure….Until Judgement Day.

A Living man / a departed living soul, Not “With” God…by default IS AGAINST God….and shall suffer the consequences for his own Choices.

(@Wick Slick
“Was Jesus implying that Lazarus was a martyr? And if so, blaming the leadership of the day for murder-by-societal-neglect?”)

Jesus was stating Lazarus was poor. Wanted the leftovers of a wealthy mans food, that he would otherwise throw away.
And the rich man rather saw Lazarus as a Nuisance to not be bothered with.

God taught His ways to deal with the poor and travelers in temporary need of food, water, shelter.

God also warned of how the wealthy, not in the position of the poor, may likely find, the wealthy insensitive to aiding the poor , (according to Gods Way).

Glory to God,
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