POSTRIB RAPTURE. A BIBLE ONLY VIEW

[David in NJ]

He told them to wait until the tribulation of those days is over. That will occur at the 6th seal. ............immediately after the tribulation of those days.

After that, the 7th seal is opened, and trumpets and vials of wrath occur. So where is the Church during the trumpets and vials of wrath?

He told them to wait until the tribulation of those days is over. That will occur at the 6th seal. ............immediately after the tribulation of those days.

100% TRUTH my Brother

IMPORTANT = "God told them they MUST WAIT until the number of their BRETHREN are killed/Martyred was COMPLETED"

AFTER that is COMPLETE, which is the Great Tribulation has run it's FULL Course, then the Second Coming of Christ =6th Seal

 

[David in NJ]

Allow me.

The time that Job speaks of is AFTER the wrath of God.............until thy wrath be past.

Job 14
13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!

However we can see that many of the people of Daniel are raised at the end of the great tribulation. The great tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins after the 7th seal is opened.

The time in the book of Daniel when many are raised, occurs at the end of the tribulation. Tribulation is not the wrath of God.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

13 O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!

@jeffweeder @The Light

the wrath that Job is speaking of is NOT God's wrath

You are BOTH 100% CORRECT on Daniel 12:1-3 as it is CLEAR as DAY = after GT the Resurrection = Second Coming of Christ

 

[WPM]

The ones in heaven that Jesus rides with in Rev 19.
Billions of them blackening the sky to destroy the AC and his army.

Oh! So, they rise up in their billions as the sand of the sea to overthrow Jesus at the end of your millennium?

 

[WPM]

You do a tiny bit better than SI.
Some of your stuff is thoughtful.
I think SI is working through some issues.
That is possibly why he brings all the chatter to the table.

No. He presents detailed biblical posts that you continually avoid.

 

[David in NJ]

@jeffweeder @The Light @rebuilder 454 @WPM @Spiritual Israelite

Daniel 12:1-3 as it is CLEAR as DAY = after GT the Resurrection = Second Coming of Christ

TRUE or FALSE and please explain either way you choose - ty

 

[The Light]

100% TRUTH my Brother

IMPORTANT = "God told them they MUST WAIT until the number of their BRETHREN are killed/Martyred was COMPLETED"

AFTER that is COMPLETE, which is the Great Tribulation has run it's FULL Course, then the Second Coming of Christ =6th Seal

Exactly. You got it.

Now let's talk about the seventh seal, Day the Lord, wrath of God.

Where is the Church during the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, trumpets and vials of wrath?

 

[David in NJ]

Exactly. You got it.

Now let's talk about the seventh seal, Day the Lord, wrath of God.

Where is the Church during the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, trumpets and vials of wrath?

i am working and only took a quick brake
i will look at the 7th Seal later

Return to post #125 and let me know your position/thoughts - ty

 

[The Light]

@jeffweeder @The Light @rebuilder 454 @WPM @Spiritual Israelite



TRUE or FALSE and please explain either way you choose - ty

You have a problem.

You understand that the second coming of Jesus occurs at the 6th seal. This is when MANY of the people of Daniel are raised at the end of the great tribulaiton.

For some reason you want to skip the seventh seal, which is the Day of the Lord, the day of His wrath and pretend there is not a resurrection at the end of wrath............seen here.

Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

[David in NJ]

You have a problem.

You understand that the second coming of Jesus occurs at the 6th seal. This is when MANY of the people of Daniel are raised at the end of the great tribulaiton.

For some reason you want to skip the seventh seal, which is the Day of the Lord, the day of His wrath and pretend there is not a resurrection at the end of wrath............seen here.

Revelation 11
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

No one is skipping anything.

If you cannot follow the Order that God has established - how will you ever understand Revelation which is Way over your head right now.

 

[WPM]

Exactly. You got it.

Now let's talk about the seventh seal, Day the Lord, wrath of God.

Where is the Church during the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, trumpets and vials of wrath?

The seventh seal is silence in heaven. Read it. Stop adding on to the Bible. The seventh seal is silence in response to the destruction of the world in the sixth seal. Rev 8:1 “And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.”

 

[David in NJ]

The seventh seal is silence in heaven. Read it. Stop adding on to the Bible. The seventh seal is silence in response to the destruction of the world in the sixth seal. Rev 8:1 “And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.”

i do not think Rev 8:1 applies to the Church, but rather to the fact that men get into Heaven 30 minutes prior to women...............

 

[The Light]

The seventh seal is silence in heaven. Read it. Stop adding on to the Bible. The seventh seal is silence in response to the destruction of the world in the sixth seal. Rev 8:1 “And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.”

Ok. You first part of the 7th seal, here's some more.

Revelation 8
And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

And then you need to go to Revelation 9,10,11 and 16 to get the rest of the events of the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, day of His wrath. And you think His wrath is 30 minutes of silence in heaven. BuuWhaHaaHaaHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Your logic is so weak. Do you think that the 1st seal is........a white horse? Or do you think we need the rest of the information that follows such as the rider that is upon the white horse and what he does?

Revelation 6
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

 

[The Light]

No one is skipping anything.

If you cannot follow the Order that God has established - how will you ever understand Revelation which is Way over your head right now.

David...........you can't even figure out that He is coming in an hour that you think not, just like He says, and you think I'm the one that doesn't understand Revelation? Who do you think the foolish virgins are that think He delays His coming and smites his fellow servants?

So why are you so afraid of the 7th seal? It's there and is the wrath of God that comes after the tribulation.

 

[David in NJ]

David...........you can't even figure out that He is coming in an hour that you think not, just like He says, and you think I'm the one that doesn't understand Revelation? Who do you think the foolish virgins are that think He delays His coming and smites his fellow servants?

So why are you so afraid of the 7th seal? It's there and is the wrath of God that comes after the tribulation.

WE KNOW HE is Coming at an Hour we think not.

Now, how does GOD compensate for this FOR His Saints???


Foolish virgins never said that = go back and read it again.

The ones who say "the Master delays His Coming" is a different group NOT in the Ten Virgin Parable = SAME Outcome though.

So why are you so afraid of the 7th seal?

LOL Brother = told you i am working = kind of hard with a chainsaw in my hand = responding during breaks

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I usually skip your trolling.
I peeked in to see if by some slight chance you brought a Bible to the table.

LOL. This is rich coming from you when you never exegete any scripture and never present a coherent argument showing exactly how you interpret the Bible. All you have is opinions. You think that's enough. It's not. How many times have we asked you to actually quote sciripture and show exactly how you interpret it? I've lost count. And you still refuse to do it even though many of the rest of us take the time to do so. So, you have no room to criticize someone else about supposedly not bringing a Bible to the table when you never do that yourself. Not even once. Quote the Bible and show me exactly how it supports your doctrine. Can you do that? So far, you have never done it even one time. How about starting now?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

WE KNOW HE is Coming at an Hour we think not.

Now, how does GOD compensate for this FOR His Saints???


Foolish virgins never said that = go back and read it again.

The ones who say "the Master delays His Coming" is a different group NOT in the Ten Virgin Parable = SAME Outcome though.


LOL Brother = told you i am working = kind of hard with a chainsaw in my hand = responding during breaks

Maybe God owes Job and the baby Jesus an apology?
He was supposed to leave them there and instead chose the evil way out?
God was unaware of the correct doctrine that prohibits ANY removal of his people pretrib?

You talk about me not bringing my bible to the table while you say ridiculous things like this to people. How is this a case of bringing your Bible to the table? No one is saying that any believer has to endure the wrath that will occur when Jesus comes and we are caught up to Him. Your definition of "pretrib" is different from everyone else's, so that's why you don't even understand what anyone else believes and you end up making ridiculous strawman arguments like this one.

You have the Jewish gathering happening BEFORE the resurrection.

But it gets worse.
Remember, your doctrine has a foundation and cornerstone of "one coming "
So no matter what, you will NEVER be able to reconcile the 3 comings.
You will skip it, shy away from It, and if necessary change the bible.

Another thing you can not address is the FACT that all on the planet take the mark (this YOU CAN NOT ANSWER, and is where ALL OF you rely on pure conjecture).

You will face the AC just like your faith dictates. You will chose life or death. Many of your colleagues will take the mark.

This is pathetic. You are basing whether or not someone will be caught up to meet Christ when He comes on whether or not they have the correct understanding of end times doctrine. Where is that taught in scripture? What a joke. As if Jesus is going to refuse to have someone who believes in Him and serves Him gathered to Him when He comes just because they are mistaken about some end times doctrine. Unbelievable. You can't be taken seriously.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly. You got it.

Now let's talk about the seventh seal, Day the Lord, wrath of God.

Where is the Church during the 7th seal, Day of the Lord, trumpets and vials of wrath?

During the 7th seal, the church is not there in heaven, but instead with Christ in the air while He takes vengeance on His enemies. That's why there is silence in heaven during the 7th seal. No one is there at that point. Your inability to see the parallels between the seals, trumpets and vials is the reason that you don't understand this.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

i do not think Rev 8:1 applies to the Church, but rather to the fact that men get into Heaven 30 minutes prior to women...............

LOL. I might have to rethink how I interpret that verse as I have not considered this before.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You do a tiny bit better than SI.
Some of your stuff is thoughtful.
I think SI is working through some issues.
That is possibly why he brings all the chatter to the table.

You're right. I have issues with the way you never do anything to back up your claims with scripture. You're all opinion and no scripture. Meanwhile, WPM and I back up our claims with scripture often, as everyone here who has read our posts knows.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Lol
Now you are talking.
Those are pretrib talking points.
Again, you UNWITTINGLY point us to the pretrib rapture.

Amen!
He keeps us FROM.

Keeping us from "the hour of temptation" involves taking us off of the earth? Not according to Jesus.

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

Your interpretation of Revelation 3:10 blatantly contradicts what Jesus said in John 17:15 as Jesus prayed that we would NOT be taken off of the earth while being protected from evil (the hour of temptation) while still on the earth. But, I'm talking about scripture here and using scripture to back up my claim instead of just making baseless claims without using scripture to back them up like you do, so I know this must be confusing to you.