Chuck Missler Proves The Pre-Trib Rapture

[MA2444]

Do you love and practice lying?
If you do not you have nothing to be afraid of!

Oh no you dont! You cant wiggle out of it. You called me a Liar. This isnt some hypothetical about general people, you tagged three of us pretribbers and then posted that stuff.

Answer the question.

 

[MA2444]

Did you not say to me this: "HE(Jesus) means what HE says and HE says what HE means"

Revelation 22:14-16
Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

HE says what HE means and HE means what HE Says

Explain to me how this applies to pretrib believers? I'm watching for the Lord to return even today. Which commandment did that break?

You wont address the topic but you call us all lawless liars so you at least have to explain that.

What is it that we are guilty of? Watching before you are? Explain yourself since you have attacked the membership.

 

[JPPT1974]

Well God bless the Messler family. As Thoughts and Prayers are with them in the losing of Chuck! Six years later! Will leave it like that.

 

[David in NJ]

Oh no you dont! You cant wiggle out of it. You called me a Liar. This isnt some hypothetical about general people, you tagged three of us pretribbers and then posted that stuff.

Answer the question.

Oh no you don't!

JESUS tells us what lawlessness is

Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

Do you see and hear the words of JESUS? = You know the commandments: ‘Do not bear false witness,’

pre-trib rapture is bearing false witness against the words of CHRIST = SEE the words of CHRIST below

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[David in NJ]

Explain to me how this applies to pretrib believers? I'm watching for the Lord to return even today. Which commandment did that break?

You wont address the topic but you call us all lawless liars so you at least have to explain that.

What is it that we are guilty of? Watching before you are? Explain yourself since you have attacked the membership.

Post 47 and Post 104 Post 30

the subject matter are the words of Christ and the Apostles who NEVER said pre-trib rapture

Do you remember we shared how we love God's words = Matthew 4:4

 

[David in NJ]

Explain to me how this applies to pretrib believers? I'm watching for the Lord to return even today. Which commandment did that break?

You wont address the topic but you call us all lawless liars so you at least have to explain that.

What is it that we are guilty of? Watching before you are? Explain yourself since you have attacked the membership.

Dwell on this tonight and pray and i will do the same

JESUS said SPECIFICALLY, HE is Coming AFTER the Tribulation of those days as described in Matthew chapter 24.

There is not another passage from the LORD Jesus Christ that refutes His words of His Post-Trib Coming.

Of course i do not want you or myself to be judged as a liar which is why i direct you back to JESUS, our Savior, and His words!

Is not this Prayer from Christ for @MA2444 and @David in NJ far SUPERIOR to dead doctrines of men!

Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

Good Night

 

[David in NJ]

Explain to me how this applies to pretrib believers? I'm watching for the Lord to return even today. Which commandment did that break?

You wont address the topic but you call us all lawless liars so you at least have to explain that.

What is it that we are guilty of? Watching before you are? Explain yourself since you have attacked the membership.

Please examine the clear and specific scriptures on Christ's Coming in Post 1,735 on thread:

The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture​

Chuck Messler is not an apostle and never was! He has no say on the scriptures except to agree or have his own view.

We are only to believe the words of Christ and the Apostles and the OT prophets who POINT us to CHRIST.

 

[Biblepaige]

just cause one preaches pre , mid , or post trib does not mean they are mentally ill .
I have a real easy solution my dear friend . lets all just read the bible for ourselves daily .
By the grace of GOD He did put me into JUST the bible for hours daily every day for now over eighteen years .
You would marvel at how often men have messed a few things up and that even many now teach quite dangerous
and deadly stuff . And its getting worse too my dear friend .
I briefly examined the three teachings of trib . the three common ones . and while they all hard partial truths
they also had errrors . But again just because one believes pre , mid or post trib dont mean they are mental .
Sometimes it might take a bit longer to get some things out of us that men taught us .
But do this for YOU my friend . You get into the bible and read it for yourself . dont read it through any lens , mid pre or post .
YOU just read it for you . watch what will occur in time my dear friend .

Someone invents slights like the term, pre-fib, and pre-fibbers, in order to continue their attack against those of us who defend the Biblical pre tribulation scriptures. And then later after many pages of denial posts claim they've always defended the pre tribulation teachings in scripture.
There's a mental glitch there. Or,they're letting someone use their account to deny the pre trib and then come in and insist their pov is otherwise.
Yes,something is very wrong there.

 

[MA2444]

Do you see and hear the words of JESUS? = You know the commandments: ‘Do not bear false witness,’

pre-trib rapture is bearing false witness against the words of CHRIST = SEE the words of CHRIST below

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

WHo am I bearing false witness against?

Why dont you ever write book and chapter & verse? That's sorta suspicious if you ask me.

That what you posted there is Matthew 24:29

I posted it before but I guess you were in the throes of a hissy and missed it?

Matthew's account of the olivet discourse is chronological for the most part but when we compare it to Luke's account of the same teaching we get more information out of it. The Luke account is more complete than Matthews.

Veres 29 & 30 is the signs of His coming. If you dont use Luke's account of the olivet discourse to supplement Matthews account then you wont get the Matthew account in chronological order and complete. Go read both the Matthew account in Matthew 24 and the luke account side by side and compare them. In luke 21:12 he picks up something that Matthew did not record! But before those things...

See here we go. Now I'm retyping all this stuff for you and you wont even address it. Are you going to talk about it or just post it and say, I won....?I gave what amounted to an exegis on most of Matthew 24 (your verses included lol) and you ignored it. And here you are posting it as if it proves the enitire post trib view.
That's lame man.

 

[Marvelloustime]

@amigo de christo and @David in NJ
What a great scripture. Thank you for sharing that.

 

[Marvelloustime]

The problem is a serious lack of discernment has occured .
Many have been taught that the working of anti christ itself is the same thing as the wrath of GOD .
When it was written i will keep thee from the hour of temptation , that means THE WRATH OF GOD
however it seems many want to make it imply to the wrath of the beast .
But easily this can be disproved .
Look at who it says the very beast comes against . IT SAYS SAINTS baby . that is us .
You see the problem is that many also do not realize that JESUS dont come back twice . ITS A ONE TIME EVENT .
TO gather the saints and TO LAY DOWN wrath against The ungodly , including all who worshipped the beast and etc
In other words many have been sitting and listening to men for far too long . WE need to read the bible for ourselves .
We are MUCH father along than most realize .
And that which is of anti christ , the mystery of inquity , ITS BEEN LONG TIME at work by he who works it .
And he do so and has done so through men . too many are looking for a holly wood style anti christ
and a escape from any kind of tribulation , when the truth is
WE ARE APPOINTED Unto tribulation .
Too many are too in love with the things of this world and of this life and have chosen to sit
under men who preach ideas about how we never gonna have to face any kind of tribulation
and just preach our best life now stuff . My advice
My advice remains . WE had better be ready to suffer and die for CHRIST , cause the persecutions
and tribulations that the early church and later that all generations in part have had to endure
WE ABOUT TO SEE IT EXPLODE in ONE HECK OF A Massive great tribulation hour
which under the power of the beast IS GONNA HIT A PEAK AGAINST the true lambs .
IN other words , PREPARE to lose all , prepare to suffer for CHRIST , cause its about to hit a peak my friend .

 

[MA2444]

Please examine the clear and specific scriptures on Christ's Coming in Post 1,735 on thread:

The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture​

Chuck Messler is not an apostle and never was! He has no say on the scriptures except to agree or have his own view.

We are only to believe the words of Christ and the Apostles and the OT prophets who POINT us to CHRIST.

You are not understanding the things I was saying about how Matthew was written and how Luke was written and that you should use Luke 21 to supplement Matthew 24

And I'm not going to rewrite it for you again and waste my time today. So what I did was to find the teaching video which contains most of the material we have been discussing and even why reading Matthew alone isnt enough because you will walk away con fused

There less than an hour long too.

 

[David in NJ]

WHo am I bearing false witness against?

Why dont you ever write book and chapter & verse? That's sorta suspicious if you ask me.

That what you posted there is Matthew 24:29

I posted it before but I guess you were in the throes of a hissy and missed it?

Matthew's account of the olivet discourse is chronological for the most part but when we compare it to Luke's account of the same teaching we get more information out of it. The Luke account is more complete than Matthews.

Veres 29 & 30 is the signs of His coming. If you dont use Luke's account of the olivet discourse to supplement Matthews account then you wont get the Matthew account in chronological order and complete. Go read both the Matthew account in Matthew 24 and the luke account side by side and compare them. In luke 21:12 he picks up something that Matthew did not record! But before those things...

See here we go. Now I'm retyping all this stuff for you and you wont even address it. Are you going to talk about it or just post it and say, I won....?I gave what amounted to an exegis on most of Matthew 24 (your verses included lol) and you ignored it. And here you are posting it as if it proves the enitire post trib view.
That's lame man.

Nothing is changed in the ORDER of His Second Coming, nothing is changed from Matt ch24

So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

8And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time has drawn near.’ [d]Therefore do not [e]go after them. 9But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately.”

10Then He said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 12But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake. 13But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 14Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will [f]answer; 15for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or [g]resist. 16You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. 18But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 19By your patience possess your souls.

 

[Biblepaige]

@amigo de christo and @David in NJ
What a great scripture. Thank you for sharing that.
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That's true. However, I wouldn't be quick to applaud when certain ones in this discussion juggle God's words as if they are playthings in order to introduce an inconsistent perspective on this one topic. When it appears their motive is to call names when members notice their agenda is not righteousness. Or,civility.

 

[David in NJ]

You are not understanding the things I was saying about how Matthew was written and how Luke was written and that you should use Luke 21 to supplement Matthew 24

And I'm not going to rewrite it for you again and waste my time today. So what I did was to find the teaching video which contains most of the material we have been discussing and even why reading Matthew alone isnt enough because you will walk away con fused

There less than an hour long too.

You can post 1,000 'teaching videos' on the lie of pre-trib rapture.

It ALWAYS remains a LIE from men who seek honor from one another, BECAUSE the LORD God said it is a LIE

Pre-trib rapture is idolatry and is the SAME pit as Maryolatry, Wafer god, praying to/for the deceased saints.

And in many aspects it is are far more serious sin because it is from the spirit of antichrist, deceiving spirits amongst the Flock.

Pastors have become fat from it's falsehood and have abandoned the 'fear of God' for a sweet but poisonous treat.

Idols cause BLINDNESS to the TRUTH.
The TRUTH are the CLEAR words of Christ in Matt 24:29-31 and the Apostles who spoke the SAME.

 

[David in NJ]

That's true. However, I wouldn't be quick to applaud when certain ones in this discussion juggle God's words as if they are playthings in order to introduce an inconsistent perspective on this one topic. When it appears their motive is to call names when members notice their agenda is not righteousness. Or,civility.

That is what your pastor does everytime he/she says pre-trib rapture = reversing scripture is a practice of lawlessness

Where is he/she anyway?

Tell your little army of pastors to come on here we will see who loves and speaks the TRUTH of God's words!

 

[David in NJ]

@amigo de christo and @David in NJ
What a great scripture. Thank you for sharing that.
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@Marvelloustime @MA2444 @Biblepaige @jeffweeder

Everytime i read this passage it gives STRENGTH and CONFIDENCE and removes any doubt as to God's Will for His People/Flock.

What a terrible shame that many pastor's do not understand this, nor do they place a value on it.

 

[amigo de christo]

@Marvelloustime @MA2444 @Biblepaige @jeffweeder

Everytime i read this passage it gives STRENGTH and CONFIDENCE and removes any doubt as to God's Will for His People/Flock.

What a terrible shame that many pastor's do not understand this, nor do they place a value on it.

Yep . Love and embrace every Word of the glorious LORD .
Charity . if one has not charity then it profits them nothing .
What does charity rejoice in . TRUTH . not inquity , not lies , BUT TRUTH .
By the grace of GOD i have long been fully persauded that not some , not most , BUT EVERY WORD OF GOD
is pure , lovey , true and GOOD meat for our soul . EVERY WORD david . EVERY .

 

[David in NJ]

That's true. However, I wouldn't be quick to applaud when certain ones in this discussion juggle God's words as if they are playthings in order to introduce an inconsistent perspective on this one topic. When it appears their motive is to call names when members notice their agenda is not righteousness. Or,civility.

Once again you start your day with hypocrisy.

pre-trib rapture is not in a single bible verse = if it were you and your pastors would post the scripture that has JESUS saying:

a.)"I will not allow my elect to suffer from the Abomination of Desolation/the Antichrist."

b.) "Before the Antichrist and Before Tribulation I will rapture my Church"

c.) "Paul an Apostle of Jesus Christ, Greetings Brethren, now you know that we will not be here suffering unto death as the rapture will wisk us away, no tribulation or persecution is coming to us."

Can any of you PROVE from the Holy Scriptures any such thing as pre-trib rapture = NOPE

 

[rebuilder 454]

Interestingly, John wrote that "the servants of God" were sealed on their foreheads, and that there were 144,000 of them, all Israelites.

So where are all the Christians? Apparently not on earth any longer.

Much love!

Yes
This is the thing.
In romans 9,10,11, wexsee God will bring back the covenant Jew to Himself.
She is the rebellious wife.
God is after her.
The GT has a purpose.
The end of the Gentile church, and the plow to prepare tge hearts of the Jews for Rev 14:14.
Which is the harvest of the Jews spoken of in Romans.
Ever wonder why postribbers skip this?
Because their rapture theory DEPENDS AND HINGES on one fact...that is "ONE COMING".
So they are totally defeated in their starting place!
Their very starting place is from a position of defeat!