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Praise the Lord, you angels of his,

God has His angels, here the meaning is clear.
Angels of God are also called ELECT angels.

1 Timothy 5:21
I charge you before God and the Lord Jesus Christ and the elect angels that you observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing with partiality.

All Angels are Elect! That's whats make them Angels

Devil also has his angels, the fallen angels. And they are cursed by God. Nothing good will happen to or for them.

Now for the fallacy to enter!

Matthew 25:41
“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

So Who was the Adversary and his messengers?

Show me the possibilities within the Bible Story?

Devil and his angels are evicted from heaven. They no longer have the right to access heaven, while still celestial beings, they were cast out from where God is to the earth. Heaven also has levels, fallen angels have access to the lower heavens as they are also called powers of the air.

Where did you get this from?

Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Even though All things were created for God and by God and through God, their allegience was shown to be of Satan as they fell from heaven to earth at the word of God, they were cast down. They wanted to rule Heaven and Earth, and in the end inherit only the fire and destruction.

Here allow me to help you.

I'll list the symbolic imagery of Rev 12 and you provide your interpretation? Please be sure to note, if its literal, or symbolic!

1. woman clothed with the sun Rev 12:1.
2. with the moon under her feet Rev 12:1.
3. and on her head was a crown of twelve stars Rev 12:1.
4 She was pregnant and was screaming in labor pains, struggling to give birth Re 12:2.
5. a huge red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns Re 12:3.
6. Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth. Re 12:4.
7. Who does Michael represent in the prophecy?
8. Who are the angels and what do they represent?
9. Who is the Adversary (satan) representing in this prophecy?
10. What does Earth and Heaven represent?

This is an exercise which if taken seriously will lead you to a fundamental truth about Rev 12 and your notions of a Fallen Angel.

I'm not so concerned if you are unable to identify the symbol, I'm more interested if you are able to state whether its Literal or Symbolic.

No fear!

Thanks
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3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Satan Thrown Out of Heaven​

7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for [b]them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

You are posting text you do not understand.
Identifying the Adversary should be your highest priority but if in your ignorance you already think its a fallen angel then you are left in darkness.
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Satan's Creator reconciles him in eternity.

Think about that for a moment...let it dwell on you.

God rewards this angel with eternal life (Divine Nature) meaning God's very Spirit has been turned into Evil. This is as Blasphemous as you can get.

Bringing him back to Himself.

The Angel already has God's Nature - are you a fool? Do you delight in being a fool? There is only one Spirit being and angels behold the Face of God - end of story!

In fact his God elevates Satan, placing him on a throne to His left. This has been one of the greatest revelations I have received from God's Spirit.

This is idiotic.

What a God we serve. His loving kindness blows me away. I can say that it is a massive blessing to be able to love my enemies, especially the devil.

What blows me away is your gullibility - its insane!

 

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Just like earthly kingdoms of men, kings have armies and are referred to as the king's men.
Devil has his angels.

Whose side are you on?

Ironically again due to ignorance the sides have been clearly marked out for you!

44 And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever,

There is only two Kingdoms Scott! ...of men or of God!

It's incomprehensible how far you have moved away from truth!

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Think about that for a moment...let it dwell on you.

God rewards this angel with eternal life (Divine Nature) meaning God's very Spirit has been turned into Evil. This is as Blasphemous as you can get.

The Angel already has God's Nature - are you a fool? Do you delight in being a fool? There is only one Spirit being and angels behold the Face of God - end of story!

This is idiotic.

What blows me away is your gullibility - its insane!

This revelation I shared, I'm guessing, comes by revelation by our Creators.

There was no way I would've believed it either unless it came to me by direct revelation by the Spirit.

I'm just putting it out there to see if it falls on minds prepared for it. I don't expect many to receive it so I am prepared for and expect your kind of response.

I am so thankful to our Father in heaven that He enables us to love eachother regardless of whether people accept or reject us or what we say.

 

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This revelation I shared, I'm guessing, comes by revelation by our Creators.

There was no way I would've believed it either unless it came to me by direct revelation by the Spirit.

I'm just putting it out there to see if it falls on minds prepared for it. I don't expect many to receive it so I am prepared for and expect your kind of response.

I am so thankful to our Father in heaven that He enables us to love eachother regardless of whether people accept or reject us or what we say.

This self deception was avoided by early believers as they searched the Scripture daily to see if these things were truth. Your response actually informs you of a harmful truth.

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This self deception was avoided by early believers as they searched the Scripture daily to see if these things were truth. Your response actually informs you of a harmful truth.

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By all means, stay within the confines of the scriptures. It may be safer for you to continue within them.

I appreciate the tension between Paul and Peter regarding the God of the Jews extending His love to non Jews. That God's love in the form of His mercy and grace extending not only to Jewish sinners, the tax collectors, demon possessed, prostitutes like Matthew and Mary but that God's favour would extend to those outside of the Jews, the children of Israel.

What a heretic, idiot, self deceived, fool this Paul was.

Until Peter received a vision from our God which transformed his thinking, beliefs and practices he would've stayed ill-informed of the new way God was dealing with the barbarians, heathens, sinners, Gentiles. Now redemption was available to Gentiles by faith in God's grace alone.

Personally I'm excited to know more of God and His ways. Much more than is revealed in the extremely small book of the bible.

Again, I like Paul, receive truth from above, from the same Source. As we mature we don't need people to teach us. Rather we receive truth from God via His Spirit within us. The immature may need to consult a medium, a go between, until they learn to recognise their Creators communication with them.

I don't seek any teacher from within the bible or outside it and haven't for years now. It's great to have learnt to hear from our Creators directly.

 

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By all means, stay within the confines of the scriptures. It may be safer for you to continue within them.

I appreciate the tension between Paul and Peter regarding the God of the Jews extending His love to non Jews. That God's love in the form of His mercy and grace extending not only to Jewish sinners, the tax collectors, demon possessed, prostitutes like Matthew and Mary but that God's favour would extend to those outside of the Jews, the children of Israel.

What a heretic, idiot, self deceived, fool this Paul was.

Until Peter received a vision from our God which transformed his thinking, beliefs and practices he would've stayed ill-informed of the new way God was dealing with the barbarians, heathens, sinners, Gentiles. Now redemption was available to Gentiles by faith in God's grace alone.

Personally I'm excited to know more of God and His ways. Much more than is revealed in the extremely small book of the bible.

Again, I like Paul, receive truth from above, from the same Source. As we mature we don't need people to teach us. Rather we receive truth from God via His Spirit within us. The immature may need to consult a medium, a go between, until they learn to recognise their Creators communication with them.

I don't seek any teacher from within the bible or outside it and haven't for years now. It's great to have learnt to hear from our Creators directly.
By all means, stay within the confines of the scriptures. It may be safer for you to continue within them.

I appreciate the tension between Paul and Peter regarding the God of the Jews extending His love to non Jews. That God's love in the form of His mercy and grace extending not only to Jewish sinners, the tax collectors, demon possessed, prostitutes like Matthew and Mary but that God's favour would extend to those outside of the Jews, the children of Israel.

What a heretic, idiot, self deceived, fool this Paul was.

Until Peter received a vision from our God which transformed his thinking, beliefs and practices he would've stayed ill-informed of the new way God was dealing with the barbarians, heathens, sinners, Gentiles. Now redemption was available to Gentiles by faith in God's grace alone.

Personally I'm excited to know more of God and His ways. Much more than is revealed in the extremely small book of the bible.

There are two books - do you know them?

Again, I like Paul, receive truth from above, from the same Source. As we mature we don't need people to teach us. Rather we receive truth from God via His Spirit within us. The immature may need to consult a medium, a go between, until they learn to recognise their Creators communication with them.

I don't seek any teacher from within the bible or outside it and haven't for years now. It's great to have learnt to hear from our Creators directly.

Saul was taken away into Arabia to be taught of those things recorded in the Word of God.

You are sadly deluded - its rife in this forum.

How can those who are led by the Spirit not understand what the Spirit has written?

I knnow right!

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There are two books - do you know them?

Sure. I think there is 81 books in the most extensive bible, the Ethiopian bible (canon). Have you studied that one?

Saul was taken away into Arabia to be taught of those things recorded in the Word of God.

I'm not sure what you are saying here.

Do we need to go to Arabia to hear our Shepherd communicate with us?

Do we need to go to Patmos to get a revelation just because that was John's experience?

How can those who are led by the Spirit not understand what the Spirit has written?

Yes and how can those who are led by the Spirit not understand what He is saying to them directly at any given time. That is, beyond the very little that was written down 2000 years ago?

 

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Sure. I think there is 81 books in the most extensive bible, the Ethiopian bible (canon). Have you studied that one?

Psalm 19 reveals there are 2 books - do you know them?

I'm not sure what you are saying here.

Do we need to go to Arabia to hear our Shepherd communicate with us?

We need to be taught the things of God - where do you go to learn?

Do we need to go to Patmos to get a revelation just because that was John's experience?

Are you suggesting God has given you such a revelation?

Yes and how can those who are led by the Spirit not understand what He is saying to them directly at any given time. That is, beyond the very little that was written down 2000 years ago?

You ask how one is led by the Spirit?

John 6:63? Where do you go to get such Words? Are those Words enough or do you itch for visions God has not given?

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24 pages into this subject of Angels and not once has a member provided anything even remotely convincing on divine angels sinning. Surely, with so much inferred knowledge you must have something to base you beliefs upon? An Origin story? A chapter which outlines this fall, why, how and what precisely is the source of the emnity?

I'm convinced this falls into such catagories of 2 Timothy 2:18 where believers took it upon themselves to "hear things" to perceive a voice and run away with its notions.

A correction is coming.

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You ask how one is led by the Spirit?

John 6:63? Where do you go to get such Words? Are those Words enough or do you itch for visions God has not given?

Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

This is my daily experience. I keep going to my Shepherd. Why? Because Father has given me to Him and He has never locked me out of His pen, His presence.

As Jesus first followers said, so do I. Where else can I go? My Saviour and Redeemer has the words of eternal life. He was their Source and He is Mine too.

The Spirit Who came after Jesus left earth has been enabling people to prophesy....dream dreams....see visions.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

Isn't this great news! We get to participate with the Spirit to deliver divine knowledge to this world. I Iove seeing visions and sharing what I get to see with others.

 

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We need to be taught the things of God - where do you go to learn?

I don't have to go to any particular place on earth as the Spirit is within me and we are never apart. So He communicates with me whenever He wants.

Sometimes we (Spirit and I) get away together in the bush/woods where we can get alone together with no human distractions.

Once we went away for 40 days which was life changing. He communicated heaps with me over that period.

Does this answer your question?

 

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Are you suggesting God has given you such a revelation?

What do you mean by, such a revelation?

 

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The Spirit Who came after Jesus left earth has been enabling people to prophesy....dream dreams....see visions.

There it is!

 

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And the LORD said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds. Jeremiah 14:14

Christianity is rife with this today.

Do you know how I know this without any doubt whatsoever?

 

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There it is!

Yes. There He is, at work in the sons and daughters of their Living Divine Father. It is so good to be possessed with the Spirit of the Sovereign God who enables us to see vision, dream dreams and prophesy.

The peace I have is knowing that whether I believe that the Spirit is building and using the body of Christ or not, He just carries on regardless.

 

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And the LORD said to me: “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I did not send them, nor did I command them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a lying vision, worthless divination, and the deceit of their own minds. Jeremiah 14:14

Christianity is rife with this today.

Do you know how I know this without any doubt whatsoever?

Personally I'm only looking out for the work of Christ in His body and listening out for Jesus's voice.

What happens outside of Him has very little interests to me. So what false prophets and other mouthpieces are saying falls on my deaf ears.

 

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Yes. There He is, at work in the sons and daughters of their Living Divine Father. It is so good to be possessed with the Spirit of the Sovereign God who enables us to see vision, dream dreams and prophesy.

The peace I have is knowing that whether I believe that the Spirit is building and using the body of Christ or not, He just carries on regardless.

Possession is going on that is certain.
Some may find comfort in a faith they cannot support from the Word of God....others will not settle for this.

 

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Possession is going on that is certain.
Some may find comfort in a faith they cannot support from the Word of God....others will not settle for this.

And it is comforting to know the One who possessed us with Their blood and redeemed us to His Father. Then to know that The Father sent His compatible Spirit to move in to the entity They purchased.

It's awesome knowing that having moved in and taking possession of that person He goes to work from the inside out transforming them into the Owners' likeness.

How exciting this is hey. After being in the possession of our previous corrupt owner, our new Owner has paid the price to buy us outright.

Why? So They can get to work IN us so that we will choose to delight in bringing pleasure to our new Owners. And to know that The Spirit Who has possessed us is including us to activly participate with Him in His work of sanctification. Woohoo!

This is very cool! What a privilege and pleasure it is that we can bring pleasure to our new Owners.