Jesus in the burnt offering

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The Old Mosaic Covenant verses the new Abrahamic Covenant.

Gal 4:24
—This is allegorically speaking: for these women are two covenants, one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar.

This Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to the present Jerusalem (natural), for she is in slavery with her children.

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"Born in Zion" signifies that sonship in Christ is a result of divine intervention, not human will.

Galatians 4:26 says, "But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother." As it is written: "Rejoice, O barren one, who does not bear! Break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor! For the desolate woman has more children than she who has a husband" (Isaiah 54:1).

We, are children of promise, just as Isaac was. Isaac’s birth was a direct act of God's intervention; there are no naturally born sons of the Abrahamic covenant. All are born again from above, through the Word, by Faith.

Born according to the flesh, or born according to the spirit!

Galatians 4:29 states, "Just as Isaac was born according to the Spirit, so also was the one born according to the flesh persecuting the one born according to the Spirit. So it is now." The Scripture says, "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman" (Genesis 21:10).

We are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Ishmael was born according to the flesh to a slave woman and persecuted the true heir. By persecuting the true believers, the Judaizers proved they were of the flesh, not of the Spirit.

But their story is far from over!
Sure, he says,

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture?

Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Paul also says of these here,

Gal 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?


(note: those like Johann who reject Christ raised up out of sin's flesh fail to understand how God righteously condemned sin in the flesh and made all the promise YES in Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:20

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What you just said is completely lost on me here so I will let Johann answer for what you two might have had some sort of previous back and forth on. That would be between you two.
 
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Being MADE perfect!

How can Deity be MADE perfect?
How can Deity be Redeemed?
How can Deity learn Obedience?
How can Deity become a High Priest (from among men) between God and Man?

How can @Johann have any way of explaining Hebrews 5:7-10 while holding to the Creeds!

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There's so much explosive ammunition in scripture to say that Jesus cannot and was not any deity ever and that he was one of us although made not of man, but of God. He was created like the 1st Adam without sin. As the 2nd Adam, pure and sinless from creation/conception to birth till death and rebirth. A deity does not NEED to learn or to become anything, period. He is what he is, or will be what he will be, period. No change is required of a deity nor can it change over time, as Jesus changed over time as a human being.
 
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