Coming out testimonies reveal the source of same sex attraction

[BarneyFife]

Yes, that is also true.
And your movie has Spencer Tracy as "FatherF" and this one (S. Tracy) in real life was a drunken fornicating "perhaps" a Catholic.


The Real Father Flannigan...dealt with Orphans, and that as a "religion" is "pure".

So, i can't really connect your "boy's town" "orphans", enthusiasm with "Homo-Sexuals" "coming out", which is this Thread's Topic.

Why dont you think about that, and post your connection between the two?

Should be interesting...

Can't wait to hear your theory @BarneyFife .

I'll bet you can connect the de Sade machinations of David Selznick to your affinity for "The Song Of Bernadette." :)

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[Behold]

I'll bet you can connect the de Sade machinations of David Selznick to your affinity for "The Song Of Bernadette." :)

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You dodged my question., and you do that a lot.


So, Here it is again.. see if you can deal with it.. So, Share with the members here, wont you, as usual ???.....your astounding spiritual insight..,

@BarneyFife i can't really connect your "boy's town" "orphans", enthusiasm with "Homo-Sexuals" "coming out", which is this Thread's Topic.

Why dont you think about that, and post your connection between the two as you SEE it?

Should be interesting...

Can't wait to hear your next opinon= theory @BarneyFife .


- and in my next post, i'll speak about "Bernadette". np.

 

[BarneyFife]

You dodged my question., and you do that a lot.


So, Here it is again.. see if you can deal with it.. Share, wont you, as usual .....your astounding spiritual insight..,

@BarneyFife i can't really connect your "boy's town" "orphans", enthusiasm with "Homo-Sexuals" "coming out", which is this Thread's Topic.

Why dont you think about that, and post your connection between the two as you SEE it?

Should be interesting...

Can't wait to hear your next opinon= theory @BarneyFife .


- and in my next post, i'll speak about "Bernadette". np.

I've got a better idea: Why don't we talk about what an actor's private life has to do with the story of Boy's Town? You missed the point entirely. Talk about dodging.

You are truly in rare form doubling down on this.

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[Behold]

I'll bet you can connect the de Sade machinations of David Selznick to your affinity for "The Song Of Bernadette." :)

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Thank you for the question @BarneyFife

So.... here is the answer for you..

-enjoy...

M. De Sade, apparently learned his fetish ideology and licentiousness at a Catholic School, when he was quite young.

Its not clear if he was steadily molested by the Jesuits, or if He was just sexually aroused by the beatings, (corporal punishment).'
His life story, reads very similar to Lord Byron's, and John Wilmot. (Earl of Rochester)
All 3 of these were seriously sexually deprave people.. who live a life devoted to extreme hedonism and debauchery .

So, regarding David O' Selznick,...... He had ultimate power over His actresses, and took "liberties" with them, in a world of "flesh and the devil".. where the lust for fame, causes women to "do anything" to "be a star, on the big screen".
This has not changed, in the last 100+ years., its just been updated.

David 0' Selznick, did marry Jennifer Jones,.. and who can tell if that is because He loved her, or wanted to own her, and "farm her" regarding his ambitions.
It could be that because Jennifer Jones was very smart, .. she understood her power on the Screen, and wanted to marry someone who had the ultimate capacity to keep her face "in the Lights".
So, who was "using who"? ?,
I can't know that, but, it can be speculated., as "both side now.."

And regarding the movie... "Song of Bernadette".... (The Soundtrack is one of my Favorites).. (Alfred Newman).

O'Selznick understood "good script", and the "Bernadette" Novel that became the book, is an incredible book. As the writing is not only beautiful but inspirational, regarding "Bernadette Soubirious".. The Author, who is a Jew, had made a promise to God in '1942, that if God saved Him from Hitler, he would write this book.
He was saved by an American Woman soon afterwards..., and wrote an amazing book, that takes liberties with the actual story, but, this artistic license, is acceptable, as it is a "Novel".

I love the Movie, "Song of Bernadette" but its the Saint Herself, in real life, beyond the "visions", that is the true wonder of her Life.
The Catholic Cult made merchandise $$$$$$$$$ out of Her "Legend"... and still do to this very day, and yet, she never became anything later in life and until her tragic death.... but a sweeter soul and more devoted to Jesus, yet, of course had the typical "cult of the virgin" ideas regarding "Mary".

I enjoy the spiritual life of any great Christian that can be studied and Bernadette's short life, is very inspirational.
Ive 5-6 books based on Her Life and Spirituality and Ministry.
I have similar books on many other "Saints".

 

[Behold]

I've got a better idea: Why don't we talk about what an actor's private life has to do with the story of Boy's Town? You missed the point entirely. Talk about dodging.

You are truly in rare form doubling down on this.

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You are in typical form regarding deleting your posts, and trying to deflect ..

All i stated was that you posted a comparison, between the ministry of a Christian, regarding helping orphaned boys, as the same idea as "gays coming out".

Can you explain this, or will you just ::::::= "deny that i did that" ...

I read your post, and im just trying to connect it to the Thread's topic, and am giving you another chance

You dont have to do it.
But as you can see, i answer your question.
I dont hide, as i dont have to @BarneyFife

-think on that.

 

[Behold]

I've got a better idea: Why don't we talk about what an actor's private life has to do with the story of Boy's Town?

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Because its ironic that a Alcoholic Fornicating Lifestyle semi-Catholic, is portraying a possibly very excellent Christian.

I find that typical of Hollywood.... as they like to put that kind of "twist" on reality, using a MOVIE.

 

[BarneyFife]

You are in typical form regarding deleting your posts, and trying to deflect ..

All i stated was that you posted a comparison, between the ministry of a Christian, regarding helping orphaned boys, as the same idea as "gays coming out".

Can you explain this, or will you just ::::::= "deny that i did that" ...

I read your post, and im just trying to connect it to the Thread's topic, and am giving you another chance

You dont have to do it.
But as you can see, i answer your question.
I dont hide, as i dont have to @BarneyFife

-think on that.

I only deleted it so it wouldn't be up while I was modifying it.

But I'm always looking forward to more of your evil surmising.

Thank you for the question @BarneyFife

So....

M. De Sade, apparently learned his fetish ideology and licentiousness at a Catholic School, when he was quite young.

Its not clear if he was steadily molested by the Jesuits, or if He was just sexually aroused by the beatings, (corporal punishment).'
His life story, reads very similar to Lord Byron's, and John Wilmot. (Earl of Rochester)
All 3 of these were seriously sexually deprave people.. who live a life devoted to extreme hedonism and debauchery .

So, regarding David O' Selznick,...... He had ultimate power over His actresses, and took "liberties" with them, in a world of "flesh and the devil".. where the lust for fame, causes women to "do anything" to "be a star, on the big screen".
This has not changed, in the last 100+ years., its just been updated.

David 0' Selznick, did marry Jennifer Jones,.. and who can tell if that is because He loved her, or wanted to own her, and "farm her" regarding his ambitions.
It could be that because Jennifer Jones was very smart, .. she understood her power on the Screen, and wanted to marry someone who had the ultimate capacity to keep her face "in the Lights".
So, who was "using who"? ?,
I can't know that, but, it can be speculated., as "both side now.."

And regarding the movie... "Song of Bernadette".... (The Soundtrack is one of my Favorites).. (Alfred Newman).

O'Selznick understood "good script", and the "Bernadette" Novel that became the book, is an incredible book. As the writing is not only beautiful but inspirational, regarding "Bernadette Soubirious".. The Author, who is a Jew, had made a promise to God in '1942, that if God saved Him from Hitler, he would write this book.
He was saved by an American Woman soon afterwards..., and wrote an amazing book, that takes liberties with the actual story, but, this artistic license, is acceptable, as it is a "Novel".

I love the Movie, "Song of Bernadette" but its the Saint Herself, in real life, beyond the "visions", that is the true wonder of her Life.
The Catholic Cult made merchandise $$$$$$$$$ out of Her "Legend"... and still do to this very day, and yet, she never became anything later in life and until her tragic death.... but a sweeter soul and more devoted to Jesus, yet, of course had the typical "cult of the virgin" ideas regarding "Mary".

I enjoy the spiritual life of any great Christian that can be studied and Bernadette's short life, is very inspirational.
Ive 5-6 books based on Her Life and Spirituality and Ministry.
I have similar books on many other "Saints".

And all of this justifies muddying up the story of Boys Town with the leisure time of Spencer Tracy how, exactly?

Because its ironic that a Alcoholic Fornicating semi-Catholic, is portraying a possibly very excellent Christian.

Congratulations, you have successfully detected irony. What do you know about Father Flanagan? Aren't the real characters normally all you concern yourself with?

i can't really connect your "boy's town" "orphans", enthusiasm with "Homo-Sexuals" "coming out", which is this Thread's Topic.

You've obviously mistaken me for someone who cares about what you can or cannot "connect."

There is no connection. I simply quoted a line from the movie that was drawn from Matthew 25.

You falsely and presumptuously accused me of waxing nostalgic and exchanging Bible holiness for a Hollies tune and I called you on it.

My original point was that if all we can offer folks who are caught in the bonds of sexual perversion is to say "Hey, God is gonna burn you forever and ever if you don't buy this Calvary story," God is going to say to us: "I never knew you."

Take it or leave it, but I'm just not in the mood to humor much of your duplicity and staggering pomposity today. In fact, I think I'm definitely done for today so get in a good shot for yourself. It will stand unopposed for at least overnight. :)

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[BarneyFife]

Actually I wouldn't care to derail my friend's thread any further along these idiotic lines.

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[Jericho]

Over and over again we hear the claim that "Same-sex attraction is a choice. No one is born that way."

Coming out testimonies tell a different story. These stories do NOT indicate a jump from hetero to homo.
They tell a story of finally coming to grips with who they are.

Same-sex attraction is just a feeling, and feelings do not define us; our choices do. Being gay is not who they are; it's what they do. I'll use this analogy. Say a person thinks about robbing a bank. Does merely thinking or desiring to rob a bank make them a thief? No. Only if they actually rob a bank do they become a thief. In the same way, a person is gay when they choose to act on their feelings. The choice is in the act.

There may be a multitude of reasons why someone has a same-sex attraction: environmental, hormonal, or spiritual. Who knows? But feelings should never be the basis for determining if something is right or wrong. If it were, then anything could be justified. Some may not necessarily choose to have a same-sex attraction, but that doesn't mean they have to be slaves to it either.

The way I see it, we all have a sin nature, and we all gravitate toward a particular sin more than others. For some, their weakness may be promescuity or poronography. For others, it might be substance abuse or a gambling addiction. The point is, we all have specific sins we struggle with. It just happens that for some, for whatever reason, their weakness is same-sex attraction. It just means that's their sin to overcome, not embrace. I'm not saying it's easy, but there are people who have left the gay lifestyle, so it's not impossible.

 

[Behold]

But I'm always looking forward to more of your evil surmising.

= False innuendo.,,

And all of this justifies muddying up the story of Boys Town with the leisure time of Spencer Tracy how, exactly?

I stated that its ironic that a alcoholic fornicating "catholic" was chosen to play the lead role in this movie that is regarding a real person, who might be a truly exceptional Christian.

Welcome to "Hollywood", as even in the B&W "era" it was still pretty much sodom and gomorrah behind the scenes and often on the screen, but in those days it was more casual and veiled.

Congratulations, you have successfully detected irony. What do you know about Father Flanagan? Aren't the real characters normally all you concern yourself with?

I know a small amount regarding this Catholic's life History.

And i dont normally talk much about more contemporary Christians, tho, i can name a few of the Ministers who trained me., as they are pretty amazing Saints.

James Kennedy
Adrian Rogers
Lloyd John Ogilvie

and a few others, but you probably know these 3 names..

They really loved God, and that is the main beauty they all share ..

You've obviously mistaken me for someone who cares about what you can or cannot "connect."

I didnt mistake you for posting "Boy's town", as some bizarre connection regarding "same sex attraction" "coming out",.. that is the Thread where you posted it.

I just asked you about it.

There is no connection.

So, had you stated "Fruit salad" or "Honey Bees".. or "Toyota"...... and someone said..>"why did you post that on this site about Gays coming out./?

And you would say.....>>"i just post stuff, not connected"

Ok, well, thank you for that insight into your behavior here on the Thread.
I appreciate the honesty.

So...Thats your answer. (finally).
And you could have told us that a few posts back.. ., but i dont mind as i was able to discuss a remarkable "Saint"., again.

You falsely and presumptuously accused me of waxing nostalgic and exchanging Bible holiness for a Hollies tune and I called you on it.

Well, you never stated which you were speaking about.

Your original "he's not heavy" "quote" was not connected to "Boys town" the movie.... until my "Hollies" Quote caused you to explain it.

You realize this?

So, i didnt know it was not "Hollies related", when i first read your quote.

You could go and edit it, and then, it becomes : CLEAR.

My original point was that if all we can offer folks who are caught in the bonds of sexual perversion is to say "Hey, God is gonna burn you forever and ever if you don't buy this Calvary story," God is going to say to us: "I never knew you."

Well, anyone who would try to abuse a sex pervert with the love of Jesus as the Cross of Christ..... by only telling them that "hell is your only answer".. "turn or burn"..
This person has not dealt with many "souls", and has no idea that Jesus's Blood "purges all sin", included the sin of "homo-sexual" behavior.
This person probably has a inner hatred of the persons, who are gay, vs the correct hatred of just their practice of sexual perversion.

I would only condemn their "Homo- Sexuality, and only confront them with it, if they tried to SELL IT, on a Forum or from a Pulpit, or on Youtube or on TV.
Once they kicked in with the '"Born this way".. Lady GaGa "Gay Anthem".... then i have to say....."no, you're not".

Christians have to hate what God hates, and God hates sexual perversion, but we can't become haters of the people, as Jesus died for us all.

We agree on that, im sure.

Take it or leave it, but I'm just not in the mood to humor much of your duplicity and staggering pomposity today.

So, i'lll see you next time...

 

[BarneyFife]

So, i'lll see you next time...

'Fraid not, because, while I agree with a small part of what you've said today (especially the shockingly graceful reply to my main point), I find most of what you post to be deliberately oppositional and spiteful and, although I like to treat my ignore list to a jubilee-like purge every so often, it just re-occurred to me why you always manage to make your way back onto it:

Eliminating your aberrations by site-facilitated automation has virtually no effect on normal discussion. :)

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[St. SteVen]

I used to think this was just Roman Catholic propaganda. But....

Was the patron of the King James Bible a homosexual? - Let's ask his lovers.

James VI/James I’s Love Life: The British King whose Lovers were Men — History is Now Magazine, Podcasts, Blog and Books | Modern International and American history James VI of Scotland (later also crowned James I of England) is a king of some ambiguity: he was both intellectually wise...

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[St. SteVen]

Same-sex attraction is just a feeling, and feelings do not define us; our choices do. Being gay is not who they are; it's what they do. I'll use this analogy. Say a person thinks about robbing a bank. Does merely thinking or desiring to rob a bank make them a thief? No. Only if they actually rob a bank do they become a thief. In the same way, a person is gay when they choose to act on their feelings. The choice is in the act.

Didn't Jesus say that for a man to look lustfully at a woman is to be an adulterer? (in your heart) Sin, or not sin?

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[Phoneman777]

The quote from your favorite pastor.

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Can you be more specific? Which part?

 

[Phoneman777]

Your phrase "the appeal of homo life" reveals your ignorance of homosexual orientation, to refer to it as something "appealing" is to say it is a choice, which is utter nonsense.

Merriam-Webster

"homo, noun - slang, offensive
: a gay person —used as a term of abuse and disparagement"

"homo, adjective -
disparaging + offensive : of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to people of one's same sex : GAY"

I do not recall Jesus using offensive or abusive language about anyone, other than the hypocritical religious types of his day.

Oh brother, another one saying, "It's not a choice".

Listen, if homosexuality were genetic, homosexuals would have disappeared from off the face of the Earth long ago due to their inability to pass on the gay gene to offspring - right or wrong?

And, don't come at me with "dominant/recessive gay gene" bulldookey because the further the phenotype gets away from the recessive genotype information, the chance of expression diminishes to the point of statistical impossibility. Capice?

 

[St. SteVen]

Can you be more specific? Which part?

Post #31.

My favorite pastor always said "to try and explain sin is to defend it".

By explaining you defended it.

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[Phoneman777]

I couldn't agree more, Brother.



Well, as long as we're being honest, I think that if all we did to labor for souls caught up in sexual sin was to point out these two facts I'm afraid we might hear something like this from Heaven:

Matthew 25:41-46 — Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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I agree - straight porn addicted folks are attracted to the correct gender, but will split hell as wide open as will rainbow reprobates.

Sin is always a choice and we must choose to deny ourselves and take up our Cross daily if because "if you would be a saint in heaven, you must first be a saint on Earth".

 

[St. SteVen]

So tired of the Christian hatred spewed on this forum. "They'll know we are Christians by our _________" (fill in the blank)

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[Jack]

You, like all leftist children, are resorting to gaslighting.

I define sin based on the Ten Commandments.

YOU defend sin by encouraging others to understand why a hairy, smelly, unsanitary male anus is appealing.

Well said!!!

 

[BarneyFife]

You, like all leftist children, are resorting to gaslighting.

I define sin based on the Ten Commandments.

YOU defend sin by encouraging others to understand why a hairy, smelly, unsanitary male anus is appealing.

Do you think such gross expression is appropriate?

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