Coming out testimonies reveal the source of same sex attraction

[Jack]

Do you think such gross expression is appropriate?

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Truth can be 'gross' to gay defenders.

 

[Arthur81]

Oh brother, another one saying, "It's not a choice".

Listen, if homosexuality were genetic, homosexuals would have disappeared from off the face of the Earth long ago due to their inability to pass on the gay gene to offspring - right or wrong?

And, don't come at me with "dominant/recessive gay gene" bulldookey because the further the phenotype gets away from the recessive genotype information, the chance of expression diminishes to the point of statistical impossibility. Capice?

You would do well to educate yourself on the topic, so you can avoid exposing your ignorance of sexual orientation:

https://pub-fb5027e0bdfb4fc4ab71242ed2116543.r2.dev/uploads/sexualorientation.pdf

 

[St. SteVen]

Do you think such gross expression is appropriate?

Very inappropriate, thanks.

And for some reason my even raising the issue is seen as promoting sin.
That has NEVER been my aim in these discussions.

These are very complex issues that the church needs to address APPROPRIATELY.

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[Behold]

These are very complex issues that the church needs to address APPROPRIATELY.

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'homo-sexuality" is not a complex issue. @St. SteVen

Its sexual perversion, its a moral decay, and its unnatural.

The "issue" is... should its inclusion.... be forced upon the Church or upon School Children or upon every aspect of "culture"... by the courts based on the false presumption that if this is not happening then the "haters" are in control.""

Thats a no.

Christians understand this, who are not politically corrected out of their right mind. @Arthur81

 

[Jack]

Jesus said gays will burn in Hell "forever and ever", so obviously gay defenders will be in Hell with them! Maybe Christians can pull some of them from the FIRE! Maybe.

 

[Arthur81]

You would do well to educate yourself on the topic, so you can avoid exposing your ignorance of sexual orientation:

https://pub-fb5027e0bdfb4fc4ab71242ed2116543.r2.dev/uploads/sexualorientation.pdf

Three paragraphs lifted from that 2021 Psychology Textbook -

GENETIC INFLUENCES Studies indicate that “about a third of variation in sexual ori
entation is attributable to genetic influences” (Bailey et al., 2016). A same-sex orientation
does tend to run in families. And identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal
twins to share a same-sex orientation (Alanko et al., 2010; Långström et al., 2010). But because
sexual orientations differ in many identical twin pairs, especially female twins, we know that
other factors besides genes are also at work—including, it appears, epigenetic marks that
help distinguish gay and straight twins (Balter, 2015; Gavrilets et al., 2018).


The point to remember: Taken together, the brain, genetic, and prenatal findings offer
strong support for a biological explanation of sexual orientation, especially for men
(LeVay, 2011; Rahman & Koerting, 2008). Our increasing understanding of the greater
sexual fluidity of women suggests the need for more research on biopsychosocial influ
ences (Diamond et al., 2017).

Researchers have speculated about possible reasons why “gay genes” might exist in
the human gene pool, given that same-sex couples cannot naturally reproduce. One pos
sible answer is kin selection. Recall from Chapter 4 the evolutionary psychology reminder
that many of our genes also reside in our biological relatives. Perhaps, then, gay people’s
genes live on through their supporting the survival and reproductive success of their
relatives.

 

[Behold]

2021 Psychology Textbook -

Dont try to deny The NT and God's perspective on "gay sex acts" by trying to deny it using "psychology textbooks'.

Even you should be able to comprehend this, @Arthur81 .

 

[Arthur81]

Dont try to deny The NT and God's perspective on "gay sex acts" by trying to deny it using "psychology textbooks'.

Even you should be able to comprehend this, @Arthur81 .

Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt

 

[Jericho]

Didn't Jesus say that for a man to look lustfully at a woman is to be an adulterer? (in your heart) Sin, or not sin?

Yes, sin, but would that negate what I wrote? Certainly, there are sins of the heart. But there is also a distinction between sin and temptation, thoughts vs. actions. It's possible to be tempted and not sin. So, again, thoughts alone don't define us or our identity.

 

[BarneyFife]

Truth can be 'gross' to gay defenders.

It is an abomination for a man to lie with a man, as though he or the other man were a woman. That's what the Bible says, and that's what I believe.

Do you think I defend the practice of homosexuality, Jack? Really?

It's me, old friend.

I also believe that allowing our thoughts to stray too far into the desire to break any of God's commandments is also a sin, as per the Sermon In The Mount (e.g., harboring anger toward our brother without due cause, etc.).

But our culture, which descends from puritanism, is (quite understandably)quick to place certain sins on a level approaching that of being unpardonable. As a result of that attitude, sexual deviants are discouraged from getting help from the very people who should be foremost in rendering that help.

Can there be any doubt that the government has botched such efforts in every bit the same manner in which they've handled practically every social ill?

Have you ever known an alcoholic? Have you ever known one that, after many efforts and years of struggling, finally came to Christ and was healed?

Why do you think so many in the church practice a zero-tolerance policy on sins that only constitute a small part of 7th commandment violations, while winking at the others and sitting in front of their "smart" TVs binge-watchng it?

Maybe you and I don't do this, but many who rail against the sins that aren't on their "favorites" list do so—right here.

And it is only making the job of reaching these poor souls incredibly more difficult for those who are willing to meet the task.

Just ask anyone who is actively working to revive and reform them.

I have.

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[Behold]

Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt

Your posts-Threads have removed all doubt about you, @Arthur81

Have No doubt.

 

[BarneyFife]

Three paragraphs lifted from that 2021 Psychology Textbook -

GENETIC INFLUENCES Studies indicate that “about a third of variation in sexual ori
entation is attributable to genetic influences” (Bailey et al., 2016). A same-sex orientation
does tend to run in families. And identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal
twins to share a same-sex orientation (Alanko et al., 2010; Långström et al., 2010). But because
sexual orientations differ in many identical twin pairs, especially female twins, we know that
other factors besides genes are also at work—including, it appears, epigenetic marks that
help distinguish gay and straight twins (Balter, 2015; Gavrilets et al., 2018).


The point to remember: Taken together, the brain, genetic, and prenatal findings offer
strong support for a biological explanation of sexual orientation, especially for men
(LeVay, 2011; Rahman & Koerting, 2008). Our increasing understanding of the greater
sexual fluidity of women suggests the need for more research on biopsychosocial influ
ences (Diamond et al., 2017).

Researchers have speculated about possible reasons why “gay genes” might exist in
the human gene pool, given that same-sex couples cannot naturally reproduce. One pos
sible answer is kin selection. Recall from Chapter 4 the evolutionary psychology reminder
that many of our genes also reside in our biological relatives. Perhaps, then, gay people’s
genes live on through their supporting the survival and reproductive success of their
relatives.

The human genome has been mapped, Arthur.

And there is no gay gene. The best that favoring researchers have been able to come up with is that certain combinations of genes may tend toward certain behaviors. If you tried to use "science" like this to justify other troublesome behaviors it would never be accepted.

Folks who want to use this kind of reasoning to defend sexually deviant behavior are likely to meet with considerable embarrassment once more quality research on this materializes.

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[BarneyFife]

These are very complex issues that the church needs to address APPROPRIATELY.

I'm afraid we're not in agreement on this, Chum.

At least, I don't see fornication/adultery as having any more capacity for complexity than, say, idolatry, or dishonor to parents, etc.—no matter how much complexity we may try to superimpose upon it as a rebellious society. :)

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[Jack]

It is an abomination for a man to lie with a man, as though he or the other man were a woman. That's what the Bible says, and that's what I believe.

Do you think I defend the practice of homosexuality, Jack? Really?

It's me, old friend.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Phoneman777]

Do you think such gross expression is appropriate?

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Absolutely - the most effective way to condition society to embrace sin is to sanitize the definition of it...

...which is right out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals playbook, right or wrong?

 

[Phoneman777]

Very inappropriate, thanks.

And for some reason my even raising the issue is seen as promoting sin.
That has NEVER been my aim in these discussions.

These are very complex issues that the church needs to address APPROPRIATELY.

]

You ARE promoting the defense of sin, friend, by trying to explain it. We don't need to know why some males are attracted to the sex and digestion physiological aspects of other males - we need to warn them that they, like all sinners, must go directly and immediately to Jesus and have Him change our vile habits to upright ones, lest we perish.

 

[Phoneman777]

You would do well to educate yourself on the topic, so you can avoid exposing your ignorance of sexual orientation:

https://pub-fb5027e0bdfb4fc4ab71242ed2116543.r2.dev/uploads/sexualorientation.pdf

You would do well to stop allowing homosexual sympathies to cloud your understanding of elementary scientific principles - like the fact that if the "gay gene" ever existed, it would have long since disappeared from the homosapien gene pool due to anal sex being 100% ineffective at producing offspring.

 

[PS95]

Three paragraphs lifted from that 2021 Psychology Textbook -

GENETIC INFLUENCES Studies indicate that “about a third of variation in sexual ori
entation is attributable to genetic influences” (Bailey et al., 2016). A same-sex orientation
does tend to run in families. And identical twins are somewhat more likely than fraternal
twins to share a same-sex orientation (Alanko et al., 2010; Långström et al., 2010). But because
sexual orientations differ in many identical twin pairs, especially female twins, we know that
other factors besides genes are also at work—including, it appears, epigenetic marks that
help distinguish gay and straight twins (Balter, 2015; Gavrilets et al., 2018).


The point to remember: Taken together, the brain, genetic, and prenatal findings offer
strong support for a biological explanation of sexual orientation, especially for men
(LeVay, 2011; Rahman & Koerting, 2008). Our increasing understanding of the greater
sexual fluidity of women suggests the need for more research on biopsychosocial influ
ences (Diamond et al., 2017).

Researchers have speculated about possible reasons why “gay genes” might exist in
the human gene pool, given that same-sex couples cannot naturally reproduce. One pos
sible answer is kin selection. Recall from Chapter 4 the evolutionary psychology reminder
that many of our genes also reside in our biological relatives. Perhaps, then, gay people’s
genes live on through their supporting the survival and reproductive success of their
relatives.

Arthur, Be careful there. look at the wording more cautiously. No facts or evidence.
"Some studies indictate".....
"speculated"
"might"
"possible"
"perhaps"

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
These are very complex issues that the church needs to address APPROPRIATELY.

I'm afraid we're not in agreement on this, Chum.

At least, I don't see fornication/adultery as having any more capacity for complexity than, say, idolatry, or dishonor to parents, etc.—no matter how much complexity we may try to superimpose upon it as a rebellious society. :)

LGBTQ is not the singular thing that Christians want to make it.
That was the reason for the topic linked below.

Unethical treatment of LGBTQ humans / Understanding LGBTQ - 101

I'm still trying to help Christians understand this COMPLEX issue that they have reduced to a knee-jerk reaction. Notice the term "LGBTQ humans" in the topic title. I need to remind Christians that these people are human. - Sigh. :( Because they are typically treated by Christians as subhuman...

www.christianityboard.com

Excerpt from the OP.

I'm still trying to help Christians understand this COMPLEX issue that they have reduced to a knee-jerk reaction.
Notice the term "LGBTQ humans" in the topic title. I need to remind Christians that these people are human. - Sigh.
Because they are typically treated by Christians as subhuman.

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[Spyder]

Over and over again we hear the claim that "Same-sex attraction is a choice. No one is born that way."

Coming out testimonies tell a different story. These stories do NOT indicate a jump from hetero to homo.
They tell a story of finally coming to grips with who they are.

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I'd like to offer a view on this. I spent years with "issues" from my childhood that I did not understand. Very bad temper, feelings of worthlessness, insecurity that drove many of my character flaws, etc.

I had no idea of why. In fact, I felt "normal" and wondered why everyone else was different.

I finally felt the call to Christ Jesus and responded - not necessarily knowing all that this walk entailed - and spent time learning how to repeat all the things that other men taught. I was accepted well as a preacher/teacher because I repeated what the crowd wanted to hear.

I got my Bachelor's in Scriptural Studies, and gratefully, started ignoring what man taught and sought out what scripture taught (not just English translations). After that, I went on to a degree in Christian Counselling.

That is when I had cause to wonder what made me different from so many others. It also made me aware of my own sinful tendencies.

The bottom line is that, without studying how certain character traits develop, I just felt that "I was born this way." I discovered that there were reasons for my feelings and behavior which were induced by my family and school life.

There is no "gay gene." It is induced the same way our other flaws develop. If we never understand how, we will blame God for them.