The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Rightglory]

Jesus DID DIE (spiritually) on the cross..

It may have been you earlier who stated this in one of your responses to me. I asked for a definition or how you are understanding "spiritual"? I have not gotten an answer yet, as far as I know. I may have missed it before.

 

[Behold]

And its been true since Adam. It will be true till He comes again when death will finally end.

2nd Death never ends.

This right here....

= John 3:36.

That will never end... , as God's judgment against Christ rejectors, does not wear off, or wear out.

See, Hell then the Lake of Fire, are not Temporary., and its the spirit of the person, that goes there.. and that never ends.

Christians get a Heavenly body, that is made for their born again spirit.

Hell bound Christ rejectors, never born again, do not get a new body... as theirs will stay in the ground as DUST.
But their spirit that does not end will not go to heaven, and it will exist where "if we willfully SIN", = die never born again.... sends you.

 

[Ritajanice]

Being born again is the renewal of the relationship with God

What type of relationship?

What does the renewal of the relationship with God mean....?

Who leads you through scripture?

 

[CadyandZoe]

He died both ways,. Spiritual first, broke the relationship. Second the world suffered death, physical death because of that sin.. Dust to Dust. Gen 3:19, It is reinforced in Rom 5:12, Rom 8:20-22.

The world did not suffer death because of what Adam did. Paul argues that God subjected the world to death. Secondly, we all die because of our own sins.

If Jesus did not come it would not matter what you did. You would simply die as animals do. Dust to dust permanently, There would be no eternity.

Eternity rests in God. As long as God exists there will be eternity. The question is who or what will survive into the eternal age.

Christ gave life back to this world. That was His primary work, Rom 5:18 states this, I Cor 15:12-19 says ones faith would be worthless, futile, meaningless if Christ did not rise from the dead. Then Paul summarizes the equation between Adam and Christ. I Cor 15:21-22.

Incorrect. The defeat of death takes place in the future. It is not yet a current reality.

That is ONLY because Christ became Incarnated, became man, assumed our human nature to bring that nature and the world back to life, an eternal existence. God promised this would happen in Gen 3:15. If Christ DID NOT COME, you simply are dissolved by death, dust to dust from whence you came permanently.

Incorrect. Christ didn't die in order to restore human nature. Christ died in order to establish the new anthropos, the new man.

His resurrection was for the life of the world.

Again, you are confused about the atonement because you believe that the purpose of the atonement was to restore fallen creation back to the way it was prior to Adam. That is incorrect.

It is why all mankind will be raised in the last day immortal and incorruptible, I Cor 15:53-54.

Incorrect, not all of mankind will be raised incorruptible.

This is true. But Adam sinned anyway. He was beguiled by the Devil.

Adam was not beguiled by the devil. He listened to his wife.

His work of redemption was finished. He would arise the third day, giving life to the world.

Christ did not give life to the world. Look around.

 

[JBO]

If you want to talk to me, talk to me, Listen to me, Understand me, If you want to call me a calvinist (which I am not) then don;t talk to me,k because you are unable to hear anything I say

First I didn't call you a Calvinist. Second, I am hearing everything you have to say. I think you are wrong. What you say is simply not biblically accurate. The very idea that God would impute the sins of one to another is heresy. That is an ugly affront to God. Would you punish one of your children for what another child did? I would certainly hope not. And neither would God (Ezek 18); read it.

 

[Ritajanice]

The world did not suffer death because of what Adam did. Paul argues that God subjected the world to death. Secondly, we all die because of our own sins.

Eternity rests in God. As long as God exists there will be eternity. The question is who or what will survive into the eternal age.

Incorrect. The defeat of death takes place in the future. It is not yet a current reality.

Incorrect. Christ didn't die in order to restore human nature. Christ died in order to establish the new anthropos, the new man.

Again, you are confused about the atonement because you believe that the purpose of the atonement was to restore fallen creation back to the way it was prior to Adam. That is incorrect.

Incorrect, not all of mankind will be raised incorruptible.

Adam was not beguiled by the devil. He listened to his wife.

Christ did not give life to the world. Look around.

Excellent!!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So, you believe that Christ's death and resurrection was not necessary for your salvation? Where is that stated in scripture?

lol. Did Jesus say "it is finished" or did he not? You tell me what he meant (ps, the greek term literally means :"paid in full"

I understand but do you?

Do you? It does nto appear to me you do

And where do you get this from what I stated? You must have been reading something else.

I just asked you a question. you asked why he needed to come to earth as man.

Pay attention please

 

[Rightglory]

This is your opinion.

Not biblical.

It has been historical Truth since the Apostolic times. It was defended several times against false teachings over the centuries.

Once again your opinion.

Not a thing I have stated is my opinion. It is historical factual scriptural understanding of the Church from the beginning.

Not biblical.i didn’t say he did..I said we must be Born bAgain by his Living Spirit..which means what?

I said we need the death and resurrection of Jesus, so that we can receive his Spirit...that is what reconciled us back to God..Jesus Spirit. we need to receive the Living spiritual rebirth...

You have just posted an opinion like everyone on this thread, including me..

You cannot lead yourself through scripture, without being Born Of The Spirit.

Personal opinion has always led to errors of understanding. History is full of individuals who thought they knew and understood and could interpret scripture on their own. Not a single individual ever changed the Gospel as it has been understood from the beginning.
If you want I can list at least 20 to 30 false teachings that have been declared heresies over the last 2000 years.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So, it was just a matter of being lifted up that matters? He did not need to die and rise again on the third day? How can you miss so much scripture?

I am just stating what Jesus said

As moses lifted the serpent. do you know this story? Jesus said this represented what he would do so that man could be born again

Again, read I Cor 15:12-19. If the dead are not raised then your faith is in vain. Why? because you are still in your sins and you will not be raised in the last day. In other words you will simply die and cease to exist, as animals.

No it does not say this

All non believers will go the the great judgement, if we are not saved, we will just go with them

The Incarnation is apostolic doctrine. It has been understood from the beginning and has not changed. It is historic Christianity, a hallmark of Christianity. If you do not understand it, I would suggest you do a direct study of the Incarnation.

Do you understand all mankind are eternal being? No one will CEASE to exist as you are claiming?

I ask again where you are being taught this strange doctrine

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The Resurrection of the Lord Jesus The Christ, is PROOF that our Salvation has been "finished", as Jesus said, from The Cross.

Jesus has been "lifted up" so that we might also be lifted up, out of our sin, and out of out damnation and INTO the fullness of Christ's abundant life that is our Eternal Life.

Jesus told us...>"ALL that believe in me... I GIVE UNTO YOU>... Eternal Life, and you shall never go to Hell (perish)".

Amen,

The basis of the gospel. one must be born again.

How. By looking to the cross..

 

[Ritajanice]

It has been historical Truth since the Apostolic times. It was defended several times against false teachings over the centuries.

Not a thing I have stated is my opinion. It is historical factual scriptural understanding of the Church from the beginning.

Personal opinion has always led to errors of understanding. History is full of individuals who thought they knew and understood and could interpret scripture on their own. Not a single individual ever changed the Gospel as it has been understood from the beginning.
If you want I can list at least 20 to 30 false teachings that have been declared heresies over the last 2000 years.

Everything you have posted just like me is an opinion and personal interpretation..

None of it can be classed as true.

Only Gods word is truth!....ours is not...we just believe that our understanding of scripture is the truth, which doesn’t make it so.

Ones own knowledge of scripture or history won’t get us into the Kingdom Of God...we must be Born Again...we become Born Again by the Living Spirit Of God...which is the Living spiritual rebirth..there is no other way.

 

[Ritajanice]

So glad to see you back posting @CadyandZoe ...I have learnt a lot from you as well as Behold.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It may have been you earlier who stated this in one of your responses to me. I asked for a definition or how you are understanding "spiritual"? I have not gotten an answer yet, as far as I know. I may have missed it before.

Physical death is seperation of your soul from your physical body

Spiritual death is seperation of your spirit from God.

There is a barrier between God and man, God told adam, in the moment you eat of this tree you will die

he died at that moment (not physically) and all mankind were given this death (in adam all die)

Christ suffered that death on the cross.. When he suffered that death and took the penalty of sin, He said "it is finished (paid in full)

again, do you understand what that means?

 

[Behold]

How. By looking to the cross..

= John 14:6

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Everything you have posted just like me is an opinion and personal interpretation..

None of it can be classed as true.

Only Gods word is truth!....ours is not...we just believe that our understanding of scripture is the truth, which doesn’t make it so.

Ones own knowledge of scripture won’t get us into the Kingdom Of God...we must be Born Again...

This does not help in any conversation.. It is also judgmental..

 

[Ritajanice]

= John 14:6

Amen!!

◄ John 14:6 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. New Living Translation Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. English Standard Version Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Berean Standard Bible Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Berean Literal Bible Jesus says to him, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father, if not by Me. King James Bible Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

 

[Eternally Grateful]

= John 14:6

6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Amen!!

Moses being that type. when he held the serpent up. Whoever looked, although dead, lived.. whoever did not. suffered the death they already were judged with.

 

[Rightglory]

lol. Did Jesus say "it is finished" or did he not? You tell me what he meant (ps, the greek term literally means :"paid in full"

I believe I stated so. He defeated death and propitiated sin. The two things He needed to do. Heb 2:14-16 by becoming man and defeated Satan as well who held the power of death. Or you could cite Heb 2:9 and I John 2:2. which sums it up quite nicely.

 

[Ritajanice]

I believe I stated so. He defeated death and propitiated sin. The two things He needed to do. Heb 2:14-16 by becoming man and defeated Satan as well who held the power of death. Or you could cite Heb 2:9 and I John 2:2. which sums it up quite nicely.

He also gave up His Spirit so that we can become Born Again by the Living word of God, that is what reunites / reconcile/ made right before God...as he is Spirit and his word is understood in Spirit and truth.

What do I mean when I say the “ Living “ word of God?

 

[Rightglory]

Not biblical an opinion.

I cited the scriptural texts that supports what I stated. It is also historical fact of scriptural understanding.

We need life in our spirit, by being regenerated that’s where the Spirit of Jesus lives...

Agreed, that is what being born again accomplished. By baptism we recieve the Holy Spirit. It regenerates a spiritual relationship with God.