The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Eternally Grateful]

Could you explain to me why Christ needed to die physically and rise from the dead physically if it was not necessary.

it was not necessary for my salvation

Once again, jesus said IT IS FINSHED.

so you understand what finished means?

Why did He need to assume our human nature in other words to be Incarnated, become man. if it was not necessary. A spiritual death has no effect upon our human nature. We became mortal as a consequence of Adam's sin and we remain mortal in this life until we die.
Christ had a relationship with man after Adam and before His coming. Forgiveness of sin was handled through the sacrifice of animals. It was the blood that was necessary, death only. He could have continued this, but alas, scripture says that it would be all futile unless Christ arose from the dead. I Cor 15:12-19. Paul states it twice, so he felt it was important to understand.

They are all in scripture. I have given you all the texts to many throughout this thread. The problem you have having is no understanding of the Incarnation of Christ and why He needed to assume our human nature. This "stuff" is historical Christianity. It is an understanding held from apostolic times without change to the present time. It might benefit you to read a small book of Athanasius "On the Incarnation".
The Incarnation of Christ is one of the hallmarks of Christianity, along with the Trinity.

lol.. How could he live a life free of sin and offer himself up to his father if he di dnot come to earth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you referring to John 3:16-17 If so, it highlights what I have been saying.
By His Incarnation, Christ came to save the world, Save the world from what?: Death, Heb 2:14-16, Heb 2:9. He saved the world, so that all those who believe might have eternal life with Him.
If He did not save the world, any belief, faith would be worthless. I Cor 15:12-19.

No

he died for the world. That just as Moses lifted the serpent. So to must the son of man be lifted up THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES will NOT PERISH, but have ETERNAL LIFE.

He came to save everyone in the world.. But not everyone will be saved.. You must be born again, Those are jesus words.

again, where do you get this doctrine from?

 

[JBO]

Wrong

I was born dead. I was physically alive

Not true. God formed your spirit in you (Zech 12:1). Do you really think He gave you a dead spirit?

Paul said I was dead, and I was made alive

You were spiritually dead and was made alive.

Jesus said we must be born again (a second time) because we are dead.

Born again spiritually, not born again physically.

again, where have you learned these ideas from?

God's own words to us.

 

[Ritajanice]

I have no understanding of what you are saying. Jesus's death and resurrection had no direct effect upon being born again. That was the purpose of God restoring life to the world.

If Jesus death and resurrection was just the purpose of restoring life to the world....

Tell me how his death and resurrection of Jesus restore life to the world?


What was achieved by him dying on the cross?

Why do we need to be Born Again, if it’s not to become right/ reconciled back to God?

What is the purpose of God bringing our spirit back to life in his Son?

That’s why Jesus died and was resurrected, so that we are set free from eternal damnation?

By reconciling our spirit back to God...it’s our spirit that needs reconciling back to God?

Our spirit then has fellowship with God, you can’t have fellowship with God without being Born Again..impossible....

Jesus death and resurrection was needed in order that we can be right/ reconciled back to God by receiving his Spirit, when God makes us Born Again by his Living Spirit?

The rebirth is a Living rebirth, you understand that right?

That is not what scripture says. All men have the ability to respond to God. All men will be held accountable with what they did with the knowledge they had available.

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1 Corinthians 2:14​

King James Version​

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.​

See that...the new birth is the work of the Holy Spirit ,who places the believer/ Born Again in the right relationship with God, therefore reconciled back to God...via his Spirit.

Being Born of the Spirit Is the New Birth​

Being “born of the Spirit” is also referred to as the “new birth.” The new birth is the work of the Holy Spirit, who places the believer in a right relationship with the God of the Bible. It is a work of God, not of humans. John wrote.

Who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God (John 1:13 ESV).

The New Living Translation Says

They are reborn! This is not a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan—this rebirth comes from God (John 1:13 NLT)

The new birth is spiritual in nature. It is something which the Spirit of God performs in our heart. In other words, we do not give birth to ourselves.

The New Birth Is Necessary for Salvation​

The new birth is necessary because all of us have been separated from God because of our sin. Paul wrote to the Romans.

We live in the last dispensation where the scriptures have been given to us. We believe have faith by hearing or reading.

Gods word says that we were predestined and chosen to be conformed into the image of his Son....?

What reason were we chosen and predestined to be made into the image of Jesus?
We believe initially because God brings us to that place....then he regenerates our spirit, we then have the witness of the Holy Spirit who witnesses with our spirit Gods truth....without the Spirit you are none of His?
It’s imperative that we are Born Of The Spirit to have fellowship and get to know God through his word.

And what about those who have no Bible?

With what knowledge? if they have never seen or read a Bible?

God is not contained to his written word....Gods Spirit is Alive and Active?

That would make scripture backwords. We do mission work to the unsaved. They are not born again. They believe what you are preaching, teaching, reading and if they accept the call of the Holy Spirit to repent, they will. Then they should desire to be baptised as Peter told the crowd on Pentecost. When one repents, confesses their sins, they can be baptized and will be given the Holy Spirit,

That is not how God says we are Born Again.....God brings us to repentance , and his word does not say if they desire they will become Born Again?

We are not in the day and age of Pentecost...we are in this day and age...God is the Spirit who gives spiritual birth to our spirit..in this day and age.....Pentecost was after the death and resurrection of Jesus?......so, I ask again why do you say that we don’t need the Spirit of God, to be reconciled back to him?..Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Plus we aren’t Born Again like they were in the Pentecostal day...we are Born Again as God word says..?

Which has nothing to do with the topic. You are addressing why Christ reconciled the world. He did it to save His creation from destruction and to have the possibility again to have an eternal relationship with creatures made in His Image,
You are bypassing the whole topic. You use the words, death and resurrection but have no understanding of what they mean in scripture.

The death and resurrection were needed so that we can be made right/ reconciled back to God by his Spirit that Jesus gave up?
Which has everything to do with the topic.....We are reconciled back to God by the death and resurrection of Jesus...then we must receive his Spirit, to be reconciled back to God..which only God can do as his word says..

We are reconciled/ right before God when our Spirit is Born Again.

Do you understand that Gods word is a Living Spirit?

Anyone can preach the word of God, only God can draw unbelievers to Jesus, he just uses us as his vessel...it’s his Living Spirit that births us into Christ, that is why as I have explained many times, without the death and resurrection of Jesus.
And the Spirit bringing our spirit Alive in Christ.

You , me would never be reconciled back to God...as we are reconciled by his Spirit our spirit is reconciled back to God.

How can you understand God’s word in your own human understanding?

You can’t..you must be Born Of God by his will..then we are reconciled back to God and have wonderful spiritual fellowship with him, via his Spirit?

 

[brightfame52]

The Mystery of Reconciliation !3

Another Mystery of Reconciliation, even while the reconciled are being enemies Rom 5:10, and not having their sins charged to them 2 Cor 5:19, is the fact that they are counted righteous ! Yes, God hath imputed righteousness to them without works !

This is seen by scripture comparison. The reconciled dont have their sins imputed to them 2 Cor 5:19 and as such they are forgiven Ps 32:1-2

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.


2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Pay attention to holy writ here. Transgression are forgiven, their sins are covered, when the Lord imputeth not iniquity Ps 32:2;2 Cor 5:19

Now pay close attention when Paul quotes David here in Rom 4, here goes Rom 4:6-8


6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,


7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.



8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

,See that ? Even though Rom 4:6 isnt in the Ps 32 quote, nevertheless the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write it here in Romans, when Paul goes back to David to quote Ps 32:1-2, showing therefore, that them blessed ones who dont have sin imputed to them, are forgiven as well as have Righteousness imputed them without works, without them doing anything, without any action from them whatsoever !

So the reconciled are righteous !

So, technically speaking, the world of 2 Cor 5:19 is a Righteous world !

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[Eternally Grateful]

Not true. God formed your spirit in you (Zech 12:1). Do you really think He gave you a dead spirit?

I do not think so I know it

I was seperated from God (spiritually dead) at birth through Adam

You were spiritually dead and was made alive.

Thats what I said

Born again spiritually, not born again physically.

Again, this is what I said

God's own words to us.

What that person is saying is not Gods word to us.

Have you been following the conversation at all?

 

[JBO]

it was not necessary for my salvation

Yes, it was absolutely necessary that Jesus die. It was the supreme sacrifice that allowed God to be true to Himself. In His Holiness He cannot overlook sin of any sort. He must punish sin. In His Mercy and Graciousness He desires to forgive the sinner. The perfect sacrifice of His one and only begotten Son makes both possible for the sinner who believes. Jesus suffered the punishment for the sin of the whole world. It is only up to each individual to take advantage of what Jesus has done. God, through the sacrifice of Jesus, has the means whereby He can be true to His own character to both be Merciful to the sinner and to be Holy in dealing with sin. Jesus being put to death is that sacrifice. His being raised again to life is God's proof that the sacrifice was true.

2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died;
2Co 5:15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

Once again, jesus said IT IS FINSHED.

so you understand what finished means?

Do you? Jesus statement," It is finished" is His pronouncement that the sacrifice for the sins of the world has been accomplished. The sins of the world have been punished. The ransom has been paid. The supreme sacrifice has been made. We have been reconciled to God by the propitiation for our sins.

Col 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
Col 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,
Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard,

1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Heb_2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

That, dear friends, is The Gospel of Reconciliation.

 

[JBO]

I do not think so I know it

That is the heresy propagated by Augustine and picked up by Calvin. It is gross.

Have you been following the conversation at all?

Yes I have and it saddens me terribly that there are those who claim to love God and to believe in His Son, Jesus, who could ever think God would do such an evil and malicious thing as instill a dead spirit into anyone; and that because of what someone else had done.

 

[Rightglory]

it was not necessary for my salvation

So, you believe that Christ's death and resurrection was not necessary for your salvation? Where is that stated in scripture?

Once again, jesus said IT IS FINSHED.

so you understand what finished means?

I understand but do you?

lol.. How could he live a life free of sin and offer himself up to his father if he di dnot come to earth.

And where do you get this from what I stated? You must have been reading something else.

 

[Rightglory]

No

he died for the world. That just as Moses lifted the serpent. So to must the son of man be lifted up THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES will NOT PERISH, but have ETERNAL LIFE.

So, it was just a matter of being lifted up that matters? He did not need to die and rise again on the third day? How can you miss so much scripture?

He came to save everyone in the world.. But not everyone will be saved.. You must be born again, Those are jesus words.

again, where do you get this doctrine from?

Again, read I Cor 15:12-19. If the dead are not raised then your faith is in vain. Why? because you are still in your sins and you will not be raised in the last day. In other words you will simply die and cease to exist, as animals.
The Incarnation is apostolic doctrine. It has been understood from the beginning and has not changed. It is historic Christianity, a hallmark of Christianity. If you do not understand it, I would suggest you do a direct study of the Incarnation.

 

[Behold]

The Resurrection of the Lord Jesus The Christ, is PROOF that our Salvation has been "finished", as Jesus said, from The Cross.

Jesus has been "lifted up" so that we might also be lifted up, out of our sin, and out of out damnation and INTO the fullness of Christ's abundant life that is our Eternal Life.

Jesus told us...>"ALL that believe in me... I GIVE UNTO YOU>... Eternal Life, and you shall never go to Hell (perish)".

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, it was absolutely necessary that Jesus die. It was the supreme sacrifice that allowed God to be true to Himself. In His Holiness He cannot overlook sin of any sort. He must punish sin.

ok. do you read anything I say.. This is getting old.

Jesus DID DIE (spiritually) on the cross..

In His Mercy and Graciousness He desires to forgive the sinner. The perfect sacrifice of His one and only begotten Son makes both possible for the sinner who believes. Jesus suffered the punishment for the sin of the whole world. It is only up to each individual to take advantage of what Jesus has done. God, through the sacrifice of Jesus, has the means whereby He can be true to His own character to both be Merciful to the sinner and to be Holy in dealing with sin. Jesus being put to death is that sacrifice. His being raised again to life is God's proof that the sacrifice was true.

2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died;
2Co 5:15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

Do you? Jesus statement," It is finished" is His pronouncement that the sacrifice for the sins of the world has been accomplished. The sins of the world have been punished. The ransom has been paid. The supreme sacrifice has been made. We have been reconciled to God by the propitiation for our sins.

Col 1:21 And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
Col 1:22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,
Col 1:23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard,

1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

Heb_2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

That, dear friends, is The Gospel of Reconciliation.

yawn

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is the heresy propagated by Augustine and picked up by Calvin. It is gross.

Heresy supported by scripture

In adam ALL DIE

I must be born again BECAUSE I AM DEAD IN TRESSPASSES AND SIN

If you want to talk to me, talk to me, Listen to me, Understand me, If you want to call me a calvinist (which I am not) then don;t talk to me,k because you are unable to hear anything I say

Yes I have and it saddens me terribly that there are those who claim to love God and to believe in His Son, Jesus, who could ever think God would do such an evil and malicious thing as instill a dead spirit into anyone; and that because of what someone else had done.

If you have been following the conversation. then why have you misrepresented almost everything I have said?

Why have you not understood why I said what I said to a certain poster?

 

[Rightglory]

If Jesus death and resurrection was just the purpose of restoring life to the world....

Tell me how his death and resurrection of Jesus restore life to the world?

When Adam sinned he not only broke the eternal relationship he had with God, but he suffered death, physical death, became mortal, dust to dust, Gen 3:19. This was an act of merch on God's sovereign will, that since death came through our nature, so the solutin to death would also come through that same nature. When Christ was Incarnated by the Holy Spirit through the Virgin Mary, Christ took on that same human nature, Heb 2:14-16 so that He could defeat death.
As long as man did not have an eternal existence it would be futile for God to have a relationship with man on this earth when it would simply end in death, permanent, dust to dust.
Thus when Christ arose from the dead He gave life to our mortal nature. Man now has an eternal existence. God can now have a personal relationship with His creatures on this earth in this life, because of His sacrifice for sin, providing forgiveness of sin, but also have and eternal existence.
Because man was created from the earth, man and creation are consubstantial. What effects one effects all. Thus Christ by His Incarnation became consubstantial with man and the earth. The earth was also given life because it had suffered death the same as Adam.
This is all explained in scripture with Rom 5:12, Rom 5:18, I Cor 15:12-22, I Cor 15:53-54, Col 1:20, John 6:39, II Tim 1:10, and others which I have cited many times on this thread.

What was achieved by him dying on the cross?

Sacrifice for sin. His resurrection gave life to the world.

Why do we need to be Born Again, if it’s not to become right/ reconciled back to God?

Christ did not accomplish this by His death and resurrection. His death and resurrection made it possible for man again to have union with God on this earth as well as for an eternity.
Being born again is the renewal of the relationship with God.

What is the purpose of God bringing our spirit back to life in his Son?

So we have life an eternal existence again. So we don't just die and cease to exist.

That’s why Jesus died and was resurrected, so that we are set free from eternal damnation?

Actually just the opposite. He provided life for His creation so that there would be an eternal existence. NJow that we have an e ternal existence again we all will stand in judgement and give an acount for what we did in this life. His resurrection made heaven and helll a possibility, as well as a new heaven and a new earth.

By reconciling our spirit back to God...it’s our spirit that needs reconciling back to God?

Yes, if you desire to have a relationship with God. One needs to believe which comes from hearing or reading. When we repent, confess our sins and are baptized, we will recieve the Holy Spirit as an aid. That is called regeneration. or what you are calling born again.

Our spirit then has fellowship with God, you can’t have fellowship with God without being Born Again..impossible....

Agreed

Jesus death and resurrection was needed in order that we can be right/ reconciled back to God by receiving his Spirit, when God makes us Born Again by his Living Spirit?

Now, Christ gave life to the world, so that man and God could again enjoy a relationship on this earth and for an e ternity. Christ did not make you born again by His death and resurrection. It make it possible to you to be reconciled by faith back to God.

The rebirth is a Living rebirth, you understand that right?

You have been using different terminology and I'm not sure just how you mean this. it probably means different for me.

​

1 Corinthians 2:14​

King James Version​

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.​

See that...the new birth is the work of the Holy Spirit ,who places the believer/ Born Again in the right relationship with God, therefore reconciled back to God...via his Spirit.

Being Born of the Spirit Is the New Birth​

Being “born of the Spirit” is also referred to as the “new birth.” The new birth is the work of the Holy Spirit, who places the believer in a right relationship with the God of the Bible. It is a work of God, not of humans. John wrote.


The New Living Translation Says


The new birth is spiritual in nature. It is something which the Spirit of God performs in our heart. In other words, we do not give birth to ourselves.

The New Birth Is Necessary for Salvation​

The new birth is necessary because all of us have been separated from God because of our sin. Paul wrote to the Romans.

Gods word says that we were predestined and chosen to be conformed into the image of his Son....?

What reason were we chosen and predestined to be made into the image of Jesus?
We believe initially because God brings us to that place....then he regenerates our spirit, we then have the witness of the Holy Spirit who witnesses with our spirit Gods truth....without the Spirit you are none of His?
It’s imperative that we are Born Of The Spirit to have fellowship and get to know God through his word.

And what about those who have no Bible?

With what knowledge? if they have never seen or read a Bible?

God is not contained to his written word....Gods Spirit is Alive and Active?

That is not how God says we are Born Again.....God brings us to repentance , and his word does not say if they desire they will become Born Again?

We are not in the day and age of Pentecost...we are in this day and age...God is the Spirit who gives spiritual birth to our spirit..in this day and age.....Pentecost was after the death and resurrection of Jesus?......so, I ask again why do you say that we don’t need the Spirit of God, to be reconciled back to him?..Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Plus we aren’t Born Again like they were in the Pentecostal day...we are Born Again as God word says..?

The death and resurrection were needed so that we can be made right/ reconciled back to God by his Spirit that Jesus gave up?
Which has everything to do with the topic.....We are reconciled back to God by the death and resurrection of Jesus...then we must receive his Spirit, to be reconciled back to God..which only God can do as his word says..

We are reconciled/ right before God when our Spirit is Born Again.

Do you understand that Gods word is a Living Spirit?

Anyone can preach the word of God, only God can draw unbelievers to Jesus, he just uses us as his vessel...it’s his Living Spirit that births us into Christ, that is why as I have explained many times, without the death and resurrection of Jesus.
And the Spirit bringing our spirit Alive in Christ.

You , me would never be reconciled back to God...as we are reconciled by his Spirit our spirit is reconciled back to God.

How can you understand God’s word in your own human understanding?

You can’t..you must be Born Of God by his will..then we are reconciled back to God and have wonderful spiritual fellowship with him, via his Spirit?

All the above is out of context with the topic of Reconciliation of Christ by His death and resurrection. In actually answering all your questions here would make this a dissertation.

 

[Behold]

So we have life an eternal existence again. So we don't just die and cease to exist.

Everyone who went to Hell yesterday, and in the next 23 mins, will find out that "the grave is not the end" as the Cult's teach.

 

[Rightglory]

Yes I have and it saddens me terribly that there are those who claim to love God and to believe in His Son, Jesus, who could ever think God would do such an evil and malicious thing as instill a dead spirit into anyone; and that because of what someone else had done.

Actually, it was an act of mercy that God permitted it. God did not make anyone dead, mortal. Death and sin are powers of the devil, not God. Heb 2:14-16. God already had a plan which was Christ coming as the incarnated ONE, so that by His own death He could restore life to our mortal natures.

 

[Ritajanice]

When Adam sinned he not only broke the eternal relationship he had with God, but he suffered death, physical death, became mortal, dust to dust, Gen 3:19. This was an act of merch on God's sovereign will, that since death came through our nature, so the solutin to death would also come through that same nature. When Christ was Incarnated by the Holy Spirit through the Virgin Mary, Christ took on that same human nature, Heb 2:14-16 so that He could defeat death.
As long as man did not have an eternal existence it would be futile for God to have a relationship with man on this earth when it would simply end in death, permanent, dust to dust.
Thus when Christ arose from the dead He gave life to our mortal nature. Man now has an eternal existence. God can now have a personal relationship with His creatures on this earth in this life, because of His sacrifice for sin, providing forgiveness of sin, but also have and eternal existence.
Because man was created from the earth, man and creation are consubstantial. What effects one effects all. Thus Christ by His Incarnation became consubstantial with man and the earth. The earth was also given life because it had suffered death the same as Adam.
This is all explained in scripture with Rom 5:12, Rom 5:18, I Cor 15:12-22, I Cor 15:53-54, Col 1:20, John 6:39, II Tim 1:10, and others which I have cited many times on this thread.

This is your opinion.

Sacrifice for sin. His resurrection gave life to the world.

Christ did not accomplish this by His death and resurrection. His death and resurrection made it possible for man again to have union with God on this earth as well as for an eternity.
Being born again is the renewal of the relationship with God.

Not biblical.

So we have life an eternal existence again. So we don't just die and cease to exist.

Actually just the opposite. He provided life for His creation so that there would be an eternal existence. NJow that we have an e ternal existence again we all will stand in judgement and give an acount for what we did in this life. His resurrection made heaven and helll a possibility, as well as a new heaven and a new earth.

Yes, if you desire to have a relationship with God. One needs to believe which comes from hearing or reading. When we repent, confess our sins and are baptized, we will recieve the Holy Spirit as an aid. That is called regeneration. or what you are calling born again.

Once again your opinion.

Agreed

Now, Christ gave life to the world, so that man and God could again enjoy a relationship on this earth and for an e ternity. Christ did not make you born again by His death and resurrection. It make it possible to you to be reconciled by faith back to God.

Not biblical.i didn’t say he did..I said we must be Born bAgain by his Living Spirit..which means what?

I said we need the death and resurrection of Jesus, so that we can receive his Spirit...that is what reconciled us back to God..Jesus Spirit. we need to receive the Living spiritual rebirth...

You have been using different terminology and I'm not sure just how you mean this. it probably means different for me.

All the above is out of context with the topic of Reconciliation of Christ by His death and resurrection. In actually answering all your questions here would make this a dissertation.

You have just posted an opinion like everyone on this thread, including me..

You cannot lead yourself through scripture, without being Born Of The Spirit.

 

[Rightglory]

Everyone who went to Hell yesterday, and in the next 23 mins, will find out that "the grave is not the end" as the Cult's teach.

And its been true since Adam. It will be true till He comes again when death will finally end.

 

[Ritajanice]

Actually, it was an act of mercy that God permitted it. God did not make anyone dead, mortal. Death and sin are powers of the devil, not God. Heb 2:14-16. God already had a plan which was Christ coming as the incarnated ONE, so that by His own death He could restore life to our mortal natures.

Not biblical an opinion.

We need life in our spirit, by being regenerated that’s where the Spirit of Jesus lives...

 

[Ritajanice]

And its been true since Adam. It will be true till He comes again when death will finally end.

Spiritual death has already ended for those who are Born Again...I’m still waiting for you to answer my other questions.

We have been made right/ reconciled back to God..by his Spirit....

A Born Again is a child of God ,Biblical.