The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Eternally Grateful]

Well aren't you the lucky one? That must really make you proud that God did that for you.

lol. God tries to do it for everyone. its called being drawn to him.. Not everyone will respond though.. Some will reject outright. And some will say thank you God. But I will do it my way.

If God did that for you, one has to wonder why He hasn't done that for everyone.

He has tried.. he died for the world. he sent the HS to the world.

He has tried with you. Has he succeeded?

Perhaps you could explain that to me. Why did He do all that work for you and not for the untold numbers of others?

I will let jesus explain it

John 3:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

I believe paul said the same thing in romans 1..

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Well aren't you the lucky one? That must really make you proud that God did that for you. If God did that for you, one has to wonder why He hasn't done that for everyone. Perhaps you could explain that to me. Why did He do all that work for you and not for the untold numbers of others?

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Romans 8:29 (don't get scared now.....) “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”

Got Questions:
Faith is the avenue or the instrument God uses to bring salvation to His people. God gives faith because of His grace and mercy, because He loves us (Ephesians 4—5). Faith comes from God in the form of a gift (Ephesians 2:8).
A gift is not earned by some good deed or kind word, and it is not given because the giver expects a gift in return—under any of those conditions, a gift would not be a gift. The Bible emphasizes that faith is a gift because God deserves all of the glory for our salvation. If the receiver of faith could do anything whatsoever to deserve or earn the gift, that person would have every right to boast (Ephesians 2:9). But all such boasting is excluded (Romans 3:27). God wants Christians to understand they have done nothing to earn faith, it’s only because of what Christ did on the cross that God gives anyone faith (Ephesians 2:5, 16). Receiving faith is a non-work (see Romans 4—Abraham’s salvation was dependent on faith in God, as opposed to any work he performed)

You never had that happen to you. A true shame as it is a wonderfully exhilarating feeling to receive this gift.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Romans 8:29 (don't get scared now.....) “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”

Got Questions:
Faith is the avenue or the instrument God uses to bring salvation to His people. God gives faith because of His grace and mercy, because He loves us (Ephesians 4—5). Faith comes from God in the form of a gift (Ephesians 2:8).
A gift is not earned by some good deed or kind word, and it is not given because the giver expects a gift in return—under any of those conditions, a gift would not be a gift. The Bible emphasizes that faith is a gift because God deserves all of the glory for our salvation. If the receiver of faith could do anything whatsoever to deserve or earn the gift, that person would have every right to boast (Ephesians 2:9). But all such boasting is excluded (Romans 3:27). God wants Christians to understand they have done nothing to earn faith, it’s only because of what Christ did on the cross that God gives anyone faith (Ephesians 2:5, 16). Receiving faith is a non-work (see Romans 4—Abraham’s salvation was dependent on faith in God, as opposed to any work he performed)

You never had that happen to you. A true shame as it is a wonderfully exhilarating feeling to receive this gift.

I don;t get it.

Paul makes it clear

For it is by grace We have been saved ( a completed action) period end of discussion.. anyone who will ever be saved is saved By grace,,

But god will not force anyone to be saved and recieve his grace. So paul continues BY FAITH.

Faith is not what saves us, it is how grace is applied to us.

Faith is not a work. Because it does nto earn salvation, it recieves it..

unless you don;t have faith, or you want to do it your own way

 

[JBO]

lol. God tries to do it for everyone. its called being drawn to him.. Not everyone will respond though.. Some will reject outright. And some will say thank you God. But I will do it my way.

So then is your responding something that you did or did God do that for you too? If it is something you did, is that work you did?

 

[JBO]

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:45 It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me--

Romans 8:29 (don't get scared now.....) “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.”

But the key there is whom God did foreknow. The verse just previous to that one tells us that.

Rom 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

And that verse tells us that it is those who love God that are called. How are they called? The next couple of verses explains it.

Got Questions:
Faith is the avenue or the instrument God uses to bring salvation to His people. God gives faith because of His grace and mercy, because He loves us (Ephesians 4—5). Faith comes from God in the form of a gift (Ephesians 2:8).

That is not what Ephesians 2:8 says. Greek grammar does not allow for that interpretation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

The "that" that is not your own doing is from the Greek word τοῦτο [touto}. It is a neuter pronoun. It cannot refer to either the word "grace" or the word "faith ", both of which are feminine nouns. Therefore the only proper interpretation is that it refers to the entire phrase "by grace you have been saved through faith". The gift therefore is salvation by grace through faith.

FAITH IS NOT A GIFT. For some it can come only through a great deal of study of God's word. For some of us who were raised in good Christian homes, it was much easier.

A gift is not earned by some good deed or kind word, and it is not given because the giver expects a gift in return—under any of those conditions, a gift would not be a gift. The Bible emphasizes that faith is a gift because God deserves all of the glory for our salvation. If the receiver of faith could do anything whatsoever to deserve or earn the gift, that person would have every right to boast (Ephesians 2:9). But all such boasting is excluded (Romans 3:27). God wants Christians to understand they have done nothing to earn faith, it’s only because of what Christ did on the cross that God gives anyone faith (Ephesians 2:5, 16). Receiving faith is a non-work (see Romans 4—Abraham’s salvation was dependent on faith in God, as opposed to any work he performed)

I keep showing you that Jesus said that believing is a work even though it is not a work of the law.

Moreover, it is not faith that is not earned. It is salvation that is not earned. That doesn't mean you don't have to do anything to receive that gift. The point is that there is no way that you could ever possibly do enough to earn it. It is worth more than the entire earth if you owned that.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So then is your responding something that you did or did God do that for you too? If it is something you did, is that work you did?

what work?

I was saved by grace.

Your saying your saved by works.

don;t apply something to me that is not true.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I don;t get it.

Paul makes it clear

For it is by grace We have been saved ( a completed action) period end of discussion.. anyone who will ever be saved is saved By grace,,

But god will not force anyone to be saved and recieve his grace. So paul continues BY FAITH.

Faith is not what saves us, it is how grace is applied to us.

Faith is not a work. Because it does nto earn salvation, it recieves it..

unless you don;t have faith, or you want to do it your own way

I think the problem is if it were simplified by definition to simply say belief.

For faith is belief, people could understand better.

But belief is too simple, therefore a lot of people really don't know what faith is.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

So then is your responding something that you did or did God do that for you too? If it is something you did, is that work you did?

Was it work for you to love your wife? If she did something for you was it work for you to respond to her?

Well, what you are asking is just as silly.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believe on him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

God made the first move. He made the offer. You either want the offering or you reject it.

It IS as simple as that.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Joh 6:45 It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me--

But the key there is whom God did foreknow. The verse just previous to that one tells us that.

Rom 8:28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

And that verse tells us that it is those who love God that are called. How are they called? The next couple of verses explains it.

That is not what Ephesians 2:8 says. Greek grammar does not allow for that interpretation.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

The "that" that is not your own doing is from the Greek word τοῦτο [touto}. It is a neuter pronoun. It cannot refer to either the word "grace" or the word "faith ", both of which are feminine nouns. Therefore the only proper interpretation is that it refers to the entire phrase "by grace you have been saved through faith". The gift therefore is salvation by grace through faith.

FAITH IS NOT A GIFT. For some it can come only through a great deal of study of God's word. For some of us who were raised in good Christian homes, it was much easier.

I keep showing you that Jesus said that believing is a work even though it is not a work of the law.

Moreover, it is not faith that is not earned. It is salvation that is not earned. That doesn't mean you don't have to do anything to receive that gift. The point is that there is no way that you could ever possibly do enough to earn it. It is worth more than the entire earth if you owned that.

God still makes the first move.

 

[Red Baker]

Heresy is..."Christ didnt die for ALL sinners."

Yet.."Jesus came to save sinners".

Jesus Christ lay down his life for the sheep, not goats!

John 10:15~"As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep."

Yet.."Jesus came to save sinners".

= Not just some., as J Calvin's Satanic Doctrine Teaches.

Jesus Christ came to save his people~not the generation of serpents!

Matthew 1:21~"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."

See, you just limited the Cross of Christ to .. ,"Jesus only died on the cross for Calvin's "predestined elect".

And thats a lie from the Devil.

No sir, it you, that is denying the Lord who the scriptures said brought us~that's, Believers in Jesus Christ. False prophets denying this truth and teach universal salvation made available for all men.

2nd Peter 2:1~"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

See, when you teach, as Calvin's deceived ALL teach.. = that the Cross is not for : John 3:16.. then you are lying about the Cross, as you are denying the New Covenant.

Again, you show your ignorance of the scriptures' the more you talk.

The word world in John 3:16 means all without distinction, not all without exceptions! This is so easy understood by comparing scriptures with scriptures and being a noble Berea Christian. Jesus is speaking to a Jew, and revealing to him that God's love is not confined to the Jewish nation only as it was in the OT for the most part. God has an election of grace among the Gentiles as well as among the Jews. Read: Romans 3:29; 9:24; 10:12: etc.

Thats a very serious blasphemy against the Grace of God.
You should not keep doing that....

You should stop and consider your doctrine, and take heed to your own words.

 

[Red Baker]

Who is the "we" in Romans 5:10?

Greetings old friend! Someone asked me to come here and address your post, so, I will~I'll need a few days in doing this.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus Christ lay down his life for the sheep, not goats!


Jesus Christ came to save his people~not the generation of serpents!


No sir, it you, that is denying the Lord who the scriptures said brought us~that's, Believers in Jesus Christ. False prophets denying this truth and teach universal salvation made available for all men.


Again, you show your ignorance of the scriptures' the more you talk.

The word world in John 3:16 means all without distinction, not all without exceptions! This is so easy understood by comparing scriptures with scriptures and being a noble Berea Christian. Jesus is speaking to a Jew, and revealing to him that God's love is not confined to the Jewish nation only as it was in the OT for the most part. God has an election of grace among the Gentiles as well as among the Jews. Read: Romans 3:29; 9:24; 10:12: etc.

You should stop and consider your doctrine, and take heed to your own words.

So God is a respector of persons?

You are prety gutsy to come in and attack other people.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

So God is a respector of persons?

You are prety gutsy to come in and attack other people.

Naw, he is OK. Just takes a bit of getting used to.

We have mixed it up elsewhere.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Naw, he is OK. Just takes a bit of getting used to.

We have mixed it up elsewhere.

Thank you

 

[Red Baker]

So God is a respector of persons?

You are prety gutsy to come in and attack other people.

God does not respect the rich over poor; or the wise over the unwise, etc. Yet God does indeed have an elect people according to the election of grace.

Question for you: Did God respect Israel over the Egyptians? Did he have a right to do so? Did he respect Jacob over Esau? Moses over Aaron, and on and on we could go.

 

[Red Baker]

Thank you

Eternally Grateful~Give me time and you even may come to like me. I've been doing this for fifty years, and very seldom come down hard on anyone, and generally give folks the benefit of doubt, yet the poster above was very arrogant in his post against Calvinism, and John Calvin. I do not preach Calvin or Calvinism ( I am a high Calvinist and not ashamed of it ) as a couple of poster here would agree, yet he was a faithful man of God. I disagree with him on infant baptism and a few other points, yet using his name in the manner in which the poster did deserves a reuke.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God does not respect the rich over poor; or the wise over the unwise, etc. Yet God does indeed have an elect people according to the election of grace.

Question for you: Did God respect Israel over the Egyptians? Did he have a right to do so? Did he respect Jacob over Esau? Moses over Aaron, and on and on we could go.

Did god You offer Egyptians salvation?

you can’t say god is a just god when he picks and choses some to save and many to destroy based on his will alone.

you can’t call him a God of perfect love when he does not offer his love and choice to everyone

god tells us to love our enemies, you can’t say you love your enemies when I will not t love all of my enemies

i can go one and on

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Eternally Grateful~Give me time and you even may come to like me. I've been doing this for fifty years, and very seldom come down hard on anyone, and generally give folks the benefit of doubt, yet the poster above was very arrogant in his post against Calvinism, and John Calvin. I do not preach Calvin or Calvinism ( I am a high Calvinist and not ashamed of it ) as a couple of poster here would agree, yet he was a faithful man of God. I disagree with him on infant baptism and a few other points, yet using his name in the manner in which the poster did deserves a reuke.

Much of your rebuke was in error though, it followed a fatalistic approach.

I think far to many people misunderstand what Jesus did on the cross,

as John said, he took the sin of the world. The lost will not go to hell because of sin, Jesus paid for those sins

they are condemned because they did not believe

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already..

to say god did not die for the whole world is just in error. And deserves a rebuke itself

 

[Robert Pate]

Much of your rebuke was in error though, it followed a fatalistic approach.

I think far to many people misunderstand what Jesus did on the cross,

as John said, he took the sin of the world. The lost will not go to hell because of sin, Jesus paid for those sins

they are condemned because they did not believe

he who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already..

to say god did not die for the whole world is just in error. And deserves a rebuke itself

Right on.

God has done all that he can do for the salvation of fallen man, The law has been fulfilled. All sin has been atoned for. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. There is one thing that he will not do. He will not force anyone to believe in him and his Son Jesus Christ. If you want to be saved you will have to call on him to save you, Romans 10:13. If you are too proud to do that, then you are lost.

 

[JBO]

Was it work for you to love your wife? If she did something for you was it work for you to respond to her?

Well, what you are asking is just as silly.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believe on him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

God made the first move. He made the offer. You either want the offering or you reject it.

It IS as simple as that.

So then it is something that you do, even if that is as simple and straightforward as accepting the offer.