The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Ritajanice]

So, God has done his part, now man must do his part before he is reconcile unto God?

No, because man does not know how to reconcile himself back to God.

God does it all....if one is elect, then God does it all.....The whole process of drawing us to Jesus and all the rest that goes with that.....is by Gods will and not mans will....we are reconciled back to God, by his will not our will....those are the elect/ saints.

 

[JBO]

Sir, you are doing what many do in religion, talking out of both sides of your mouth~you are contradicting yourself and you seem to not even know you are doing so, this is called deceiving self.

You said in one breath:

Then in your next breath said:

So, God has done his part, now man must do his part before he is reconcile unto God?

Sir, any way you slice and dice your words, they still loudly proclaim a work gospel, and said that God has NOT reconcile the world ( Jews and Gentiles ) unto him. That's another gospel.

So, has Jesus or has he not reconcile God's elect unto God by his life, death and resurrection? I say that he has indeed and not one of them will be lost.

There is a lot there to agree with, but also a lot there to disagree with. And that because so much of what you said or implied there is all twisted up and screwed up by your adherence to the false doctrines of Unconditional Election and Limited Atonement.

 

[Red Baker]

Salvation is and always will be by faith through grace apart from the works of the law, Ephesians 2:8.

Sir, whose faith is spoken of his Ephesians 2:8,9? I pretty sure you do not know based upon some of your post I'm reading.

Care to discuss this section with me?

People do not go to hell because they are sinners. People will go to hell because like you they reject Jesus Christ as their savior. You need to call on Christ to save you, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13

You are judging a person's salvation which I'm pretty sure is against the rules of this forum. On all forums, folks can go hard after others doctrines/teachings, but they are not to attack their person especially so in judging their salvation. One's salvation from sin and condemnation is not depending on their understanding but their love for God and faith in his word.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sir, you are doing what many do in religion, talking out of both sides of your mouth~you are contradicting yourself and you seem to not even know you are doing so, this is called deceiving self.

You said in one breath:

Then in your next breath said:

So, God has done his part, now man must do his part before he is reconcile unto God?

Sir, any way you slice and dice your words, they still loudly proclaim a work gospel, and said that God has NOT reconcile the world ( Jews and Gentiles ) unto him. That's another gospel.

This is the problem with fatalism

Its acts like Us receiving Gods gift is us doing our part. I for the life of me can not comprehend how a person who was at deaths door, Totally unable to save themselves. Who instead of continuing in pride to do what he can not do. Receives the gift of the one sent to save them, and is rescued by the work of his savior, has saved themselves or participated in their salvation. What work did they do?

is this person going to go around boasting of how they saved themselves? " I let this person saved me, i did nothing but stopped trying to save myself and say yes, do what you need to do. Look how great I am"

The apostle John said but as many as have received him, to THEM he gave the right or power to become sons of God.. John 1: 12

Jesus said as Moses lifted the serpent in the wilderness (did those who looked at the serpent save themselves. or did God save them? Who gets the credit?) so to must the son of man be lifted up. that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. (John 3) do the people who believe save themselves and give themself eternal life? What did they do that was different that what the Jews did in the wilderness? Does not God get the credit for saving them??

Jesus said he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. Did the one who hears and believes save themselves and pass themselves from death to life (new birth) or did God save them, and pass them from death to life? Who gets the credit? What work did the person do to save himself?

Paul said for we have been saved by Grace, (eph 2: 8) and this salvation is through faith. Are we saved By Grace or by faith? Is it not the grace that saved us, But that we recieved that grace through faith just like John said all the way back in john 1? Who gets the credit? us or God.. did we save ourselves by faith? what work did we do?

So, has Jesus or has he not reconcile God's elect unto God by his life, death and resurrection? I say that he has indeed and not one of them will be lost.

I agree,

But he died for the world.. Not just his elect.. He is not a respecter of persons.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

All that is nice, even though I disagree with some of it, but you failed to identify who the "we" are in Romans 5:10. You did lay out who they once were, namely, sinners. However, those he is writing to are no longer sinners. In fact, Paul begins chapter 5 with, "Therefore, since we have been justified by faith...." They are no longer sinners, they are saints.

As was explained earlier. Paul tells us who the we are in John 1

5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

We are those who have been justified by faith

And for what it is worth, I really do with you would stop with the Old English designation of the Holy Spirit as a ghost. It is a serious misnomer in modern English, in which the word ghost specifically means "the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons." That is not a description of the Holy Spirit.

really?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sir, whose faith is spoken of his Ephesians 2:8,9? I pretty sure you do not know based upon some of your post I'm reading.

Care to discuss this section with me?

You are judging a person's salvation which I'm pretty sure is against the rules of this forum. On all forums, folks can go hard after others doctrines/teachings, but they are not to attack their person especially so in judging their salvation. One's salvation from sin and condemnation is not depending on their understanding but their love for God and faith in his word.

so you were saved based on your love for God and faith in his word?

What if they do not understand the gospel. and depend on a false gospel. like the galatian church?

 

[Red Baker]

All that is nice, even though I disagree with some of it, but you failed to identify who the "we" are in Romans 5:10. You did lay out who they once were, namely, sinners. However, those he is writing to are no longer sinners. In fact, Paul begins chapter 5 with, "Therefore, since we have been justified by faith...." They are no longer sinners, they are saints.

Jim, I did clearly stated who we were and who we are now, and how we got to be called Christians. Read #315 above again! Romans 1:7

 

[Red Baker]

And for what it is worth, I really do with you would stop with the Old English designation of the Holy Spirit as a ghost. It is a serious misnomer in modern English, in which the word ghost specifically means "the soul of a dead person, a disembodied spirit imagined, usually as a vague, shadowy or evanescent form, as wandering among or haunting living persons." That is not a description of the Holy Spirit.

Jim, it is not worth very much. The Holy Spirit referred to himself as the Holy Ghost.

2nd Peter 1:20,21~"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

 

[JBO]

really?

Yes, really ! ! !

There is even the TV program "Ghosts" which is a spoof on the concept of ghosts. The Holy Spirit is not a ghost. He is a divine being. God is Spirit. That is the same word in Greek. Would you ever say "God is a ghost"? Even the KJV didn't say that.

 

[JBO]

Jim, it is not worth very much. The Holy Spirit referred to himself as the Holy Ghost.

Only in the Old English version of the KJV. Come on. Get with the program. At least if you are insistent upon the KJV, go to the NKJV where the Old English speech is corrected to modern day English. Why wilt thou now not upgradeth to current English?

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Sir, whose faith is spoken of his Ephesians 2:8,9? I pretty sure you do not know based upon some of your post I'm reading.

Care to discuss this section with me?

You are judging a person's salvation which I'm pretty sure is against the rules of this forum. On all forums, folks can go hard after others doctrines/teachings, but they are not to attack their person especially so in judging their salvation. One's salvation from sin and condemnation is not depending on their understanding but their love for God and faith in his word.

Small side note.

I have participated actively in 3 "religious" forums over the past 12 years. Somewhere along the way my salvation has been judged. It happens.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, really ! ! !

There is even the TV program "Ghosts" which is a spoof on the concept of ghosts. The Holy Spirit is not a ghost. He is a divine being. God is Spirit. That is the same word in Greek. Would you ever say "God is a ghost"? Even the KJV didn't say that.

I would worry more about the word that silly things like this.

Ghost is a spirit.

 

[JBO]

I would worry more about the word that silly things like this.

Ghost is a spirit.

Ghost is not even a real thing.

 

[Ritajanice]

The Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit.....

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

He’s not a human ghost that people say they have seen, as in their relatives, family members who have passed away.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Just a little very old history on this ghost/spirit thing.

Looks like , once again, the KJV is not a parallel translation.

@Red Baker and @JBO

Greek English interlinear states

Matt 28: 19 Having gone therefore disciple all the nations baptizing them in the name ofthe Father and ofthe Son and ofthe Holy Spirit.

the Holy Aramaic Scriptures states

ܙܠܘ ܗܟܝܠ ܬܠܡܕܘ ܟܠܗܘܢ ܥܡܡܐ ܘܐܥܡܕܘ ܐܢܘܢ ܒܫܡ ܐܒܐ ܘܒܪܐ ܘܪܘܚܐ ܕܩܘܕܫܐ
19 Go therefore, teach all the Amme {the Peoples/the Gentiles/the Nations}, and Immerse {Baptize} them in The Name of The Father, and of The Son, and of The Rukha d’Qudsha {The Spirit of Holiness/The Holy Spirit}.

The Peshitta says

19“Therefore go disciple all the nations and baptize them in the name of The Father and The Son and The Spirit of Holiness.”

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Ghost is not even a real thing.

Let's not get into that one here....

 

[Red Baker]

Ghost is not even a real thing.

Jim, please do not tell me that you are listening to Christadelphians folks.

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[JBO]

Let's not get into that one here....

Why not?

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Why not?

It has nothing to do with reconciliation

And... if you have not been through it you would not understand or believe.

But feel free to start a thread titled something like Are Ghosts real and if not why not

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ghost is not even a real thing.

Oh I believe they are. I believe demons can make themselves seen, we call them ghosts..

again, your stuck on a word. There are more important things to consider than to be stuck on a word