The Gospel of Reconciliation

[Eternally Grateful]

I was brought to believe in Jesus by God before I was Born Again was Born Again like the wind..just like Gods word says..the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children..he spoke to my spirit testifying with it who he was, my spirit knew him straight away.

Thats impossible. You can not call out to the lord to be saved if you do not believe in him. He who believes is not condemned, He who believes is condemned already

You can not be born again while still in unbelief.,

We are Born Again then have been regenerated, I received faith at the same time as becoming Born Again.

How could you believe at the same time if you did not even know who Jesus was

Already explained that.

I was Born Again which is being regenerated I received my gift of Faith at the same time..which is a manifestation of the Spirit.

Which is in error. You had faith. and looked to the cross. THEN you were born again..

Justification precedes regenerataion. That is where the fatalistic view gets is wrong. It has God overulring his just for a few select people so they can be saved by grace through faith.. Will rejecting to even give anyone else a chance

 

[Ritajanice]

Thats impossible. You can not call out to the lord to be saved if you do not believe in him. He who believes is not condemned, He who believes is condemned already

You’re at it again who said I didn’t call out to God?

You can not be born again while still in unbelief.,

How could you believe at the same time if you did not even know who Jesus was

Which is in error. You had faith. and looked to the cross. THEN you were born again..

God brought me to believe in Jesus...you are the one in error...because you have no idea what it means to be Born Again like the wind..you keep saying you looked to the cross....what are you talking about?

You are very confused..

Justification precedes regenerataion. That is where the fatalistic view gets is wrong. It has God overulring his just for a few select people so they can be saved by grace through faith.. Will rejecting to even give anyone else a chance

God got it right you have got it wrong I’m afraid..you imo have absolutely no understanding of what it means to be Born Again of the Spirit like the wind.

Your Born Again...makes absolutely no sense to me..with respect..it’s full of confusion from my understanding...

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You’re at it again who said I didn’t call out to God?

How can you call out to a God you did not believe?

God brought me to believe in Jesus...you are the one in error...because you have no idea what it means to be Born Again like the wind..you keep saying you looked to the cross.

So all this happened in a split second?

God got it right you have got it wrong I’m afraid..you imo have absolutely no understanding of what it means to be Born Again of the Spirit like the wind.

No. God is a just God. he must go according to his justice.

if he could just over rule his justice to save people. then Christ came for nothing.

 

[Tulipbee]

I was brought to believe in Jesus by God before I was Born Again was Born Again like the wind..just like Gods word says..the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children..he spoke to my spirit testifying with it who he was, my spirit knew him straight away. Born Again of imperishable seed...do you actually understand that?

We are Born Again then have been regenerated, I received faith at the same time as becoming Born Again.

Already explained that.

I was Born Again which is being regenerated I received my gift of Faith at the same time..which is a manifestation of the Spirit.

By the way, you weren’t there when I had my mind blowing Born Again experience of becoming Born Again by the seed of God.

Did you receive the imperishable seed! @Eternally Grateful ?

Ah, the divine comedy of regeneration and faith – in the Calvinist chuckle circle, we're ready for a theological stand-up special! Picture this: the stage is set with Calvinistic wit, and John Calvin steps up to the theological mic.

John Calvin: Ah, my dear Ritajanice, the divine comedy of being Born Again and receiving the imperishable seed! Let's unpack this theological sketch with a touch of Calvinistic humor and scriptural wisdom.

Quoting Calvin with a chuckle: John Calvin: "Now, concerning regeneration, it's not like picking candies from a jar; it's a divine act that precedes faith. As I wrote in Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 3, Section 9, '...regeneration is not the result of our own efforts or decisions, but the sole work of God.'"

Calvin on the divine comedy of faith and regeneration: John Calvin: "And Ritajanice, the interplay between faith and regeneration is like a divine dance – two partners moving in perfect harmony. As I noted in Institutes, Book 3, Chapter 3, Section 2, '...faith is a singular gift of God, both in that the mind of man is purged so as to be able to taste the truth of God and in that his heart is established therein.'"

Calvin chuckles at the misunderstandings: John Calvin: "Now, my dear friend, misunderstandings abound like comedic twists, but let's remember Romans 10:17, 'So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.' Regeneration is the divine overture; faith is the response to the heavenly melody."

Cue the Calvinistic comedy duo: John Calvin: "Ah, Eternally Grateful, debating the divine comedy of regeneration and faith – like a theological Laurel and Hardy! But in the Calvinist comedy script, we're not just exchanging words; we're pointing to the unchanging Word."

So, Ritajanice, whether you're in the audience or part of the divine comedy cast, let's keep the theological banter going. The Calvinist Comedy Club welcomes all, where the Gospel remains the central punchline! #CalvinistComedyClub #DivineRegenerationLaughs

 

[Ritajanice]

How can you call out to a God you did not believe?

Did you actually read my post..?..God brought me to believe first, it was God who brought me to believe in Jesus..he was the initiator not me.

So all this happened in a split second?

No. God is a just God. he must go according to his justice.

if he could just over rule his justice to save people. then Christ came for nothing.

Not your concern how long it took.

My question to you is..how did you become Born Again..how on earth did you say to God I accept you into my heart?
How did you receive him into your spirit?..that not biblical..nowhere does God say a Born Again accepts him into their heart..we are Born Again exactly as God says we are in his word....

It was his will that I became Born Again therefore it all happened as God had planned it to happen..everything just fits together perfectly...very, very naturally..
A Born Again doesn’t say to God I accept you into my heart.that’s nonsense ..as a Born Again is by the will of God not man..as his word says.

Do you understand this scripture @Eternally Grateful ?

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Because that was not how I was Born Again...I was Born Again like the wind having never read a Bible..

Did you actually read my post..?..God brought me to believe first, it was God who brought me to believe in Jesus..he was the initiator not me.

see above.

If you did not read the bible. how did you know about your death, Your situation. Gods answer to your situation. or the death of Christ which paid for your situation to be resolved in his blood.

Not your concern how long it took.

My question to you is..how did you become Born Again..how on earth did you say to God I accept you into my heart?
How did you receive him into your spirit?

How?

I told you how. Through the word. and my sunday school teachers. May parents and my pastor (all sent from God to draw me to him) And the holy spirit who showed me these things in a way I can understand.

After praying almost nightly for weeks for God to save me, I took a stand and a deacon took me to a back room and walked me through the bible (including the passages in John I have been trying to show you) At which time. I understood.

I got on my knees, and called out to God like the tax collector.

At that minute, the spirit, like the wind, saved my from my sin debt, Regenerated my dead spirit. Justified me from the penalty of sin. and came into me as a pledge of my salvation.

As I have said, I was drawn to God. It did not happen in one second or even in one month, God worked on me for awhile.

I then recieved his gift of salvation in faith and was born again. Just like Jesus said in the book of John.

It was his will that I became Born Again therefore it all happened as God had planned it to happen..everything just fits together perfectly...very, very naturally..
A Born Again doesn’t do that...as a Born Again is by the will of God not man..as his word says.

He predestined you based on his foreknowledge.. that whoever heard and believed would never perishy (suffere the second death) but have eternal life (born again)

its not that difficult.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ah, the divine comedy of regeneration and faith – in the Calvinist chuckle circle, we're ready for a theological stand-up special! Picture this: the stage is set with Calvinistic wit, and John Calvin steps up to the theological mic.

John Calvin: Ah, my dear Ritajanice, the divine comedy of being Born Again and receiving the imperishable seed! Let's unpack this theological sketch with a touch of Calvinistic humor and scriptural wisdom.

Quoting Calvin with a chuckle: John Calvin: "Now, concerning regeneration, it's not like picking candies from a jar; it's a divine act that precedes faith. As I wrote in Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 3, Section 9, '...regeneration is not the result of our own efforts or decisions, but the sole work of God.'"

Calvin on the divine comedy of faith and regeneration: John Calvin: "And Ritajanice, the interplay between faith and regeneration is like a divine dance – two partners moving in perfect harmony. As I noted in Institutes, Book 3, Chapter 3, Section 2, '...faith is a singular gift of God, both in that the mind of man is purged so as to be able to taste the truth of God and in that his heart is established therein.'"

Calvin chuckles at the misunderstandings: John Calvin: "Now, my dear friend, misunderstandings abound like comedic twists, but let's remember Romans 10:17, 'So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.' Regeneration is the divine overture; faith is the response to the heavenly melody."

Cue the Calvinistic comedy duo: John Calvin: "Ah, Eternally Grateful, debating the divine comedy of regeneration and faith – like a theological Laurel and Hardy! But in the Calvinist comedy script, we're not just exchanging words; we're pointing to the unchanging Word."

So, Ritajanice, whether you're in the audience or part of the divine comedy cast, let's keep the theological banter going. The Calvinist Comedy Club welcomes all, where the Gospel remains the central punchline! #CalvinistComedyClub #DivineRegenerationLaughs

what are you trying to say? Are just mocking everyone or do you have something to add?

 

[Ritajanice]

see above.

If you did not read the bible. how did you know about your death, Your situation. Gods answer to your situation. or the death of Christ which paid for your situation to be resolved in his blood.

Who said I didn’t / don’t read my Bible?
You aren’t making sense to me in your sentence above.
All I knew as a new babe I was Born Again...the rest I have learnt is by reading God’s word.

How?

How what..your sentence above makes no sense..you complicate Gods word by your own human understanding of what you believe God to be saying..sorry ,you too are full of confusion.

I told you how. Through the word. and my sunday school teachers. May parents and my pastor (all sent from God to draw me to him) And the holy spirit who showed me these things in a way I can understand.

That is not being Born Again of imperishable seed..sorry..Jesus explains to Nicodemus how we are Born Again which you aren’t understanding....being Born Again of Gods seed is a Living spiritual birth a Born Again experiences, do you know what that means?

Do you know that Gods word is a Living seed?

After praying almost nightly for weeks for God to save me, I took a stand and a deacon took me to a back room and walked me through the bible (including the passages in John I have been trying to show you) At which time. I understood.

I got on my knees, and called out to God like the tax collector.

At that minute, the spirit, like the wind, saved my from my sin debt, Regenerated my dead spirit. Justified me from the penalty of sin. and came into me as a pledge of my salvation.

Really..that’s not how Gods word says we are “ Born Again “ sorry.

As I have said, I was drawn to God. It did not happen in one second or even in one month, God worked on me for awhile.

Born Again happens in an instance ,when we are baptised in the Spirit it’s not a process..salvation is the process,..

I then recieved his gift of salvation in faith and was born again. Just like Jesus said in the book of John.

We are Born Again like the wind..Spirit gives birth to spirit.

He predestined you based on his foreknowledge.. that whoever heard and believed would never perishy (suffere the second death) but have eternal life (born again)

its not that difficult.

I was predestined to become Born Again..that was according to his purpose and plan.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Who said I didn’t / don’t read my Bible?
You aren’t making sense to me in your sentence above.
All I knew as a new babe I was Born Again...the rest I have learnt is by reading God’s word.

SMH, You said you were born again having never read the bible..

How what..your sentence above makes no sense..you complicate Gods word by your own human understanding of what you believe God to be saying..sorry ,you too are full of confusion.

If anyone is confused here

That is not being Born Again of imperishable seed..sorry..Jesus explains to Nicodemus how we are Born Again which you aren’t understanding....being Born Again of Gods seed is a Living spiritual birth a Born Again experiences, do you know what that means?

Yes he did

Like moses lifted the serpent. so to must the son of man be lifted up

Do you know that Gods word is a Living seed?

Yes.

Really..that’s not how Gods word says we are “ Born Again “ sorry.

Thats your opinion

Born Again happens in an instance ,when we are baptised in the Spirit it’s not a process..salvation is the process,..

Yes.

And we are baptized in the spirit when we call out to him to be saved.

it is a process to be brought to that repentance and faith.

We are Born Again like the wind..Spirit gives birth to spirit.

I was predestined to become Born Again..that was according to his purpose and plan.

lol..

You do not even understand predestination. Nor Gods plan..

I have come to see that people who believe this way are afraid to save themselves by faith.

I ask. How can someone who placed their faith in someone to do ALL the work to save them, save themselves.

This is nonsensical.

 

[Ritajanice]

SMH, You said you were born again having never read the bible..

If anyone is confused here

Yes he did

Like moses lifted the serpent. so to must the son of man be lifted up

Yes.

Thats your opinion

Yes.

Just=absolute confusion here.

And we are baptized in the spirit when we call out to him to be saved.

Call out to be saved..what on earth are you talking about?

it is a process to be brought to that repentance and faith.

That I agree with.

lol..

You do not even understand predestination. Nor Gods plan..

Your opinion ...

I have come to see that people who believe this way are afraid to save themselves by faith.

Again utter confusion.

I ask. How can someone who placed their faith in someone to do ALL the work to save them, save themselves.

This is nonsensical.

Again confusion to me...as I said there was a process to becoming Born Again absolutely..

Actual being Born Of imperishable seed, baptism in the Spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit..happens very, very naturally as I was predestined to become a child of God.
God initiated all of it.

I think we need to stay on topic @Eternally Grateful don’t you?

We’ve actually been questioning each other’s faith..this is not the place for it ,is it?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just=absolute confusion here.

I am unclear on why you are Confused.

You stated you never saw a bible before you were born again correct? (Do I need to get the quote again?

Call out to be saved..what on earth are you talking about?

Really? Are you joking?

That I agree with.


Your opinion ...

Again utter confusion.

Again confusion to me...as I said there was a process to becoming Born Again absolutely..

Actual being Born Of imperishable seed, baptism in the Spirit, Spirit gives birth to spirit..happens very, very naturally as I was predestined to become a child of God.
God initiated all of it.

I think we need to stay on topic @Eternally Grateful don’t you?

We’ve actually been questioning each other’s faith..this is not the place for it ,is it?

Non of what you said happened, Until you received Gods gift. By receiving it in faith.

I am not questioning your faith. I am questioning your process.

 

[Ritajanice]

I am unclear on why you are Confused.

You stated you never saw a bible before you were born again correct? (Do I need to get the quote again?

Really? Are you joking?

Non of what you said happened, Until you received Gods gift. By receiving it in faith.

I am not questioning your faith. I am questioning your process.

I’m questioning your process as well...

Correct I had never read a Bible..then when I became Born Again I went out and bought one and have been reading ever since..

I was Born Again like Jesus explains to Nicodemus...and why should my process of becoming Born Again be like your process?...God was drawing me to Jesus throughout my life..I could see that as soon as I was Born Again...he allowed everything to happen to me for a reason....to bring me to him for his purpose and his plan.

Really am I joking about what?

Why am I confused, your posts don’t make any sense to me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m questioning your process as well...

Correct I had never read a Bible..then when I became Born Again I went out and bought one and have been reading ever since..

then as I said in my question. How did you know god. Know of your need of a savior and know of Christ.

I was Born Again like Jesus explains to Nicodemus...and why should my process of becoming Born Again like your process...God was drawing me to Jesus throughout my life..I could see that as soon as I was Born Again...he allowed everything to happen to me for a reason....to bring me to him for his purpose and his plan.

So you did what Jesus told nicodemus to do and looked to the cross?

Really am I joking about what?

about what it means to call out to God to be saved

Why am I confused, your posts don’t make any sense to me.

Nor do your posts make any sense.

 

[Ritajanice]

then as I said in my question. How did you know god. Know of your need of a savior and know of Christ.

So you did what Jesus told nicodemus to do and looked to the cross?

about what it means to call out to God to be saved

Nor do your posts make any sense.

What on earth are you talking about?

Look to the cross?

Do you actually understand this scripture!
I don’t think you understand that scripture below..I do and that’s how I was Born Again and as he enters like the wind the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children...do you understand that his word is a Living word?

Where does it say to call out to God to be saved are you kidding....we are Born Again and saved from eternal damnation? the two go together, do you understand that.

God initiated everything ..do you understand that?

Your process doesn’t make an ounce of sense to me because it’s not biblical...how I was Born Again is exactly how Jesus explains it to Nicodemus. @Eternally Grateful

How many times have I told you about how God drew me to Jesus,etc,etc....

I was baptised in the Spirit a one time event that I will never forget..Born Again of imperishable seed.
The Holy Spirit entered my heart/spirit just as he said..like the wind....Spirit gives birth to spirit...understand?

John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What on earth are you talking about?

Look to the cross?

Do you actually understand this scripture!
I don’t think you understand that scripture below..I do and that’s how I was Born Again and as he enters like the wind the Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children...do you understand that his word is a Living word?

Where does it say to call out to God to be saved are you kidding....we are Born Again and saved from eternal damnation? the two go together, do you understand that.

God initiated everything ..do you understand that?

Your process doesn’t make an ounce of sense to me because it’s not biblical...how I was Born Again is exactly how Jesus explains it to Nicodemus. @Eternally Grateful

How many times have I told you about how God drew me to Jesus,etc,etc....

I was baptised in the Spirit a one time event that I will never forget..Born Again of imperishable seed.
The Holy Spirit entered my heart/spirit just as he said..like the wind....Spirit gives birth to spirit...understand?

John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

John 3:8​

“The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

Yes I understand

But I DO NOT STOP THERE. Because JESUS DID NOT STOP THERE.

Nicodemus asked. HOW CAN THESE THINGS BE..

Then Jesus gave the answer of how those things (the things you just posted) come to be.

But you wont read it..


The fact you can not answer me how you called out to God in faith when you never read about him in the word is all I need to know..

You said God brought you to faith. in what??

You can't say I am wrong. when you make statements that contradict themself.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes I understand

What are you understanding then,explain it to me?

But I DO NOT STOP THERE. Because JESUS DID NOT STOP THERE.

Nicodemus asked. HOW CAN THESE THINGS BE..

Then Jesus gave the answer of how those things come to be.

How those things come to be..???...and you won’t acknowledge what Jesus is explaining to Nicodemus how we are Born Again like the wind.

But you wont read it..

No, Jesus explains to Nicodemus how we become Born Again..like the wind..his words are there for all to see...first and foremost..

The fact you can not answer me how you called out to God in faith when you never read about him in the word is all I need to know..

What..never read about him ,I was taught about him at school.Jesus I knew all about Jesus.
The fact I don’t have to answer you.thats a fact..I’ve already posted how God drew me to Jesus.etc,etc.

You can't say I am wrong. when you make statements that contradict themself.

Show me where I contradict myself...that’s just your opinion.

I’m only interested in Gods right word...not your words my dear.

Do you honestly believe you must read your Bible to become Born Again...that’s tunnel vision I’m afraid.

I ask again do you understand this scripture?

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What are you understanding then,explain it to me?

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

I understand this is how you think you were born again.

its not. it is what being born again is..

How those things come to be..???...and you won’t acknowledge what Jesus is explaining to Nicodemus how we are Born Again like the wind.

No, Jesus explains to Nicodemus how we become Born Again..like the wind..his words are there for all to see...first and foremost..

Your stuck on one verse.. One verse does nto make a doctrine

What..never read about him ,I was taught about him at school.Jesus I knew all about Jesus.
The fact I don’t have to answer you.thats a fact..I’ve already posted how God drew me to Jesus.etc,etc.

So you knew about him, and were drawn to him to repennt and trust him,

Thank you. When you trusted him and had faith. You were born again. You do not know where the spirit came or where it went. But you were born again. Because you did What God told nicodemus and us to do if we want to be born again

Show me where I contradict myself...that’s just your opinion.

If you never heard about Christ yet immediately believed in christ, you contradicted yourself..

I’m only interested in Gods right word...not your words my dear.

Do you honestly believe you must read your Bible to become Born Again...that’s tunnel vision I’m afraid.

John 1, John 3, John 4 John 5 and John 6 as well as many other passages are not my words dear.

they are the words of God.

and everyone of them tell us how we are saved..(born again)

I ask again do you understand this scripture?

Yes, I understand all of it. Not one pet verse.. But if you want to base your eternity on one verse. feel free

 

[Ritajanice]

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

I understand this is how you think you were born again.

its not. it is what being born again is..

No it’s not, that’s exactly how I was Born Again 100% and there is no way your opinion of it not saying what it’s saying it’s saying exactly what Jesus is saying...it’s saying...I was Born Again like that exactly as it is written by God....and how would we know we are Born Again..without the Holy Spirit testifying with our spirit that we are Gods children?
Do you understand what that means?

Your stuck on one verse.. One verse does nto make a doctrine

I’m stuck on scripture..you’re stuck on the taxman and the serpent..which makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

So you knew about him, and were drawn to him to repennt and trust him,

I’ve already been down this road..how could I know Jesus without God drawing me to Jesus and initiating the whole process?

Thank you. When you trusted him and had faith. You were born again. You do not know where the spirit came or where it went. But you were born again. Because you did What God told nicodemus and us to do if we want to be born again

No. I knew exactly where the Holy Spirit went..as he indwells us he testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children....do you actually understand what that means?
Do you not have the Holy Spirit Living in your heart?
Testifying with your spirit all day every day that we are Gods children....how are we made into the image of Jesus without the Spirit?
Do you actually know what being Born Again of imperishable seed means @Eternally Grateful ?

I did no such thing, I was Born Again like the wind....whatever you think Jesus told Nicodemus about the serpent etc.is not being Born Again..he already explained to Nicodemus how we are Born Again at the beginning of that scripture.

If you never heard about Christ yet immediately believed in christ, you contradicted yourself..

Who said I have never heard of Christ and show me where I said, I had never heard about Christ?
Immediately believed in Christ?...I was brought by God to believe in Jesus...what on earth are you talking about?

John 1, John 3, John 4 John 5 and John 6 as well as many other passages are not my words dear.

they are the words of God.

and everyone of them tell us how we are saved..(born again)

No, that is not how we are Born Again of imperishable seed.

Yes, I understand all of it. Not one pet verse.. But if you want to base your eternity on one verse. feel free

I don’t think you do...you just seem stuck on the serpent and taxman...that is not how we are Born Again of imperishable seed.

Where is Born Again of imperishable seed planted in a Born Again @Eternally Grateful ?

Only the seed of God can grow in a Born Again heart/ Spirit that’s the new nature we received when we were Born Again of imperishable seed.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No it’s not, that’s exactly how I was Born Again 100% and there is no way your opinion of it not saying what it’s saying it’s saying exactly what Jesus is saying...it’s saying...I was Born Again like that exactly as it is written by God....and how would we know we are Born Again..without the Holy Spirit testifying with our spirit that we are Gods children?
Do you understand what that means?

Well Nicodemus asked how that could be. And Jesus answered him.

I know Nicodemus believed. Will you?

I’m stuck on scripture..you’re stuck on the taxman and the serpent..which makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

Actually I am stuck on the example Christ gave, and the fulfillment of that example he gave. And the example of the taxman vs the pharisee.

That is scripture.. You keep saying its not scripture.. That should worry you

I’ve already been down this road..how could I know Jesus without God drawing me to Jesus and initiating the whole process?

I am just going off what you said.

No. I knew exactly where the Holy Spirit went..as he indwells us he testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children....
Do you not have the Holy Spirit Living in your heart?

But Jesus said we do not know where he came or he went and that is what it is like when we are born again.

Again, that was not telling us how to be born again,l He is telling us what it means.

I will trust Jesus

Do you actually know what being Born Again of imperishable seed means @Eternally Grateful ?

Why do you keep asking the same nonsensical question over and over..

I did no such thing, I was Born Again like the wind....whatever you think Jesus told Nicodemus about the serpent etc.is not being Born Again..he already explained to Nicodemus how we are Born Again at the beginning of that scripture.

Who said I have never heard of Christ and show me where I said, I had never heard about Christ?
Immediately believed in Christ?...I was brought by God to believe in Jesus...what on earth are you talking about?

No, that is not how we are Born Again of imperishable seed.

I don’t think you do...you just seem stuck on the serpent and taxman...that is not how we are Born Again of imperishable seed.

ok I am done.

I will leave you with this.

As I said a few days ago. I do believe you are my sister. However. Your calvinisitic view is in my view an insult to God and his essence.

It says God will send people to hell. and never even give them the chance

It says he chose (for supposedly no reason) and they will be saved, whether they want to or not

it Has God denying his perfect justice and saving people will still under penalty of sin so they can have faith.

And denying Gods perfect love by saying he did not die for the whole world. Only for a few he chose.

 

[Ritajanice]

Well Nicodemus asked how that could be. And Jesus answered him.

Nicodemus asked what he meant when Jesus spoke the first part of scripture.....he didn’t understand it because he wasn’t Born Again...I understand that first part of scripture because that’s how I became Born Again.

I know Nicodemus believed. Will you?

I’m already Born Again are you?..believing is not being Born Again, we must be Born Again of imperishable seed...which means what?

Actually I am stuck on the example Christ gave, and the fulfillment of that example he gave. And the example of the taxman vs the pharisee.

That is scripture.. You keep saying its not scripture.. That should worry you

So is what I posted scripture and it’s saying how we are Born Again.

I am just going off what you said.

But Jesus said we do not know where he came or he went and that is what it is like when we are born again.

Again, that was not telling us how to be born again,l He is telling us what it means.

I will trust Jesus

Jesus said we must be Born Again Spirit gives birth to spirit...that is the Spiritual birth..we are Born Again like the wind Gods seed enters us like the wind..so I too will stick with the word of God.

What on earth do you think being Born Again of imperishable seed means?..Gods seed enters us like the wind, you can’t see it, but when he enters our spirit..The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children as he’s in dwelling us..he speaks to our spirit, do you understand that?

Why do you keep asking the same nonsensical question over and over..

ok I am done.

I will leave you with this.

As I said a few days ago. I do believe you are my sister. However. Your calvinisitic view is in my view an insult to God and his essence.

It says God will send people to hell. and never even give them the chance

It says he chose (for supposedly no reason) and they will be saved, whether they want to or not

it Has God denying his perfect justice and saving people will still under penalty of sin so they can have faith.

And denying Gods perfect love by saying he did not die for the whole world. Only for a few he chose.

Haven’t a clue what you are saying here my friend....and I have never ever heard or read a book about Calvin...only through being accused of being a Calvinist on every forum I have been on.....so you best take that up with God because I only listen to him through his Living word the Bible.