We’re the two witnesses from the past?

[face2face]

I haven't restricted you from your explanation on Revelation 11:2

I have stated several times Luke 21:24 & Revelation 11:2 below will be the same future event

Luke 21:24KJV
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Correct it started in AD70 the treading down of Jerusalem and they continue to be persecuted in the earth to this day (the time of the Gentiles is still now!) but they wont always be treated this way.

In your ignorance you have disregarded 2000 years of them being trodden upon... all so you can have is your false end times doctrine (sad!).

It disgusting that's what it is.

Also, Rev 11 has nothing to do with Israel being trod under foot but you wont open the Word or learn from it because you think everything is future.

Boy, that word UNTIL is rather loud!

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[face2face]

At the second coming.

Yes, first he raises the dead...then gathers the living!

 

[face2face]

I haven't restricted you from your explanation on Revelation 11:2

I'm waiting for you to answer why the outer court isn't measured?
It's okay to say you dont know!

 

[face2face]

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Perfect fulfillment of the Olivet Prophecy.

 

[Truth7t7]

Correct it started in AD70 the treading down of Jerusalem and they continue to be persecuted in the earth to this day (the time of the Gentiles is still now!) but they wont always be treated this way.

In your ignorance you have disregarded 2000 years of them being trodden upon... all so you can have is your false end times doctrine (sad!).

It disgusting that's what it is.

Also, Rev 11 has nothing to do with Israel being trod under foot but you wont open the Word or learn from it because you think everything is future.

Boy, that word UNTIL is rather loud!

F2F

Luke 21:24 didn't take place in 70AD as you claim, it's a future event unfulfilled as scripture clearly teaches below

The verses below are speaking to those who will be present on earth to be eyewitnesses of the "Future" Fulfilling of the Gentiles, The Great Tribulation, and Second Coming of Jesus in the Heavens

Luke 21:22-28KJV
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[face2face]

@Marty fox

And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down

Did you know Titus ordered the temple to be preserved, however it was set on fire and the gold melted and ran into the crevices of the stones?

What's also interesting is the fulfillment of this prophecy while it started in AD70 it is yet to be fully fulfilled.

Look at Daniel 9:27

And he shall confirm the covenant (Heb 13:20 everlasting covenant in Christ confirmed) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (Gentile enters the Holiest of Hollies) he shall make it desolate, (AD70 treading underfoot begins) even UNTIL the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The complete end of the Temple in Jerusalem has not yet been achieved, for Jesus said that "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (Matt. 24:2).

As yet part of the Temple wall remains standing, but Daniel gives further details in ch. 11 concerning the advent of the king of the north in the latter times, when the Gogian power will establish 'the tabernacle of his palace' in 'the glorious holy mountain' (v. 45). At this time of extreme trouble for Jewry as per Jer 30:6-7; Ezek. 37.

The Gogian power, as if they were Roman, will appear to have success, the "overspreading of abomination" has continued. Jerusalem will be completely desecrated, and in the turmoil that will follow, every stone will be overturned.

At the time of this final consummation, however, the punishment of the desolator shall be due, and will come swiftly: "he shall come to his end, and none shall help him" (Dan. 11:45).

The Continuous Historical interpretation is the only way these prophecies can be understood.

Careful reading of the Word.

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[Truth7t7]

@Marty fox

And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down

Did you know Titus ordered the temple to be preserved, however it was set on fire and the gold melted and ran into the crevices of the stones?

What's also interesting is the fulfillment of this prophecy while it started in AD70 it is yet to be fully fulfilled.

Look at Daniel 9:27

And he shall confirm the covenant (Heb 13:20 everlasting covenant in Christ confirmed) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (Gentile enters the Holiest of Hollies) he shall make it desolate, (AD70 treading underfoot begins) even UNTIL the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The complete end of the Temple in Jerusalem has not yet been achieved, for Jesus said that "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (Matt. 24:2).

As yet part of the Temple wall remains standing, but Daniel gives further details in ch. 11 concerning the advent of the king of the north in the latter times, when the Gogian power will establish 'the tabernacle of his palace' in 'the glorious holy mountain' (v. 45). At this time of extreme trouble for Jewry as per Jer 30:6-7; Ezek. 37.

The Gogian power, as if they were Roman, will appear to have success, the "overspreading of abomination" has continued. Jerusalem will be completely desecrated, and in the turmoil that will follow, every stone will be overturned.

At the time of this final consummation, however, the punishment of the desolator shall be due, and will come swiftly: "he shall come to his end, and none shall help him" (Dan. 11:45).

The Continuous Historical interpretation is the only way these prophecies can be understood.

Careful reading of the Word.

F2F

Jesus Christ spoke of a symbolic destruction of the Temple seen, and the Temple destroyed was his literal body as scripture clearly teaches below

"Destroy This Temple" as Jesus and the Pharisees viewed the temple that took 46 years to build

Interpretation: But he spake of the temple of his body

"Yes" Reformed Preterist Eschatology in 66-70AD fulfillment, would be found in the court of the Pharisees literal interpretation

Once Again, 66-70AD Jerusalems destruction had absolutely "Nothing" to do with fulfillment of Matthew Chapter 24, Mark Chapter 13, or Luke Chapter 21

John 2:18-22KJV
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

 

[Truth7t7]

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Perfect fulfillment of the Olivet Prophecy.

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, these are future events unfulfilled

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[face2face]

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, these are future events unfulfilled

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Your standard copy and paste posts offer nothing. Piece it together for yourself!

 

[face2face]

Jesus Christ spoke of a symbolic destruction of the Temple seen, and the Temple destroyed was his literal body as scripture clearly teaches below

"Destroy This Temple" as Jesus and the Pharisees viewed the temple that took 46 years to build

Interpretation: But he spake of the temple of his body

"Yes" Reformed Preterist Eschatology in 66-70AD fulfillment, would be found in the court of the Pharisees literal interpretation

Once Again, 66-70AD Jerusalems destruction had absolutely "Nothing" to do with fulfillment of Matthew Chapter 24, Mark Chapter 13, or Luke Chapter 21

John 2:18-22KJV
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

It's just weak isn't it - I can see you are starting to see the evidence...in time the word UNTIL will ring so loud you will be forced to look deeper into these passages.
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[face2face]

@everyone

When you read the word UNTIL in prophecy it has continuous historical import. Failure to know this result's in you holding wrong teaching like 7.

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[Truth7t7]

Your standard copy and paste posts offer nothing. Piece it together for yourself!

(Even Until The Consummation) words you can't remove from scripture (The Ultimate End) Words That Destroy Reformed Preterist Historicism's Teachings On Daniel's AOD Being Fulfilled In 70AD

 

[face2face]

Look at Daniel 9:27

And he shall confirm the covenant (Heb 13:20 everlasting covenant in Christ confirmed) with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (Gentile enters the Holiest of Hollies) he shall make it desolate, (AD70 treading underfoot begins) even UNTIL the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

F2F

As an exercise - look at the continuous historical nature of this prophecy.

1. And he shall confirm the covenant (Heb 13:20 everlasting covenant in Christ confirmed)
2 with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (Gentile enters the Holiest of Hollies)
3. he shall make it desolate, (AD70 treading underfoot begins) even UNTIL
4. the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Each stage in the prophecy is a time period which is continuous and once fully fulfilled will be historic in nature.

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[face2face]

(Even Until The Consummation) words you can't remove from scripture (The Ultimate End) Words That Destroy Reformed Preterist Historicism's Teachings On Daniel's AOD Being Fulfilled In 70AD

Start --->until----->Complete

You are only interested in the end game - you just dont have the details in between! (and I very much doubt you undertand end time prophecy either)

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[Truth7t7]

Each stage in the prophecy is a time period which is continuous and once fully fulfilled will be historic in nature.

F2F

Sure it is, continously from the future abomination of desolation, to the ultimate end in the future consummation

Your claim it started in 70AD and has been running continously for the past 2,000 years is in the book of Aesops fables

 

[Truth7t7]

Start --->until----->Complete

Sounds like a 2,000 year long fairy tale to me

The man that causes the abomination will be present on earth to witness the "Consummation" in the final judgment

This man is a very old human at 2,000+ years old in your claims of continous historical

 

[Timtofly]

You fail to acknowledge AD70 has prophetic fulfillment in the Word of God and in fact deny it achieved anything at all.

You fail to acknowledge Christ has become Prince of Armies and led a day of slaughter against Israel in AD70 as prophesied by himself and the Apostles.

70AD had little to do with the Olivet Discourse. There is no verse stating Jerusalem would be destroyed. There is one verse that points out armies would come, which was fulfulled in 66AD.

Jesus pointed out Jerusalem would be left desolate and trodden under foot by the Gentiles until the Second Coming. We already see that Jerusalem is back thriving, and for the most part in the hands of Israelites.

Jesus' own people were the ones who destroyed their own city. Jesus is the King coming to earth at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal to gather Israel and separate them as sheep from goats. A remnant will be redeemed.

Then at the 7th Trumpet when the Atonement Covenant is confirmed, Satan may be given 42 months of AoD. That is what Matthew 24 is about. The Second Coming, the time of Jacob's trouble, and then Satan's AoD. Yes, when Jesus hands the kingdom to Satan, redemption will stop and only abomination of desolation, until those 42 months are over and Armageddon happens.

All of Daniel 2 has been fulfilled, and the fulness of the Gentiles is a mountain that fills the whole earth.

We are in the 6th head kingdom which is mortally wounded until the Second Coming. Jesus is the 7th Kingdom declared at the 7th Trumpet. For at least 3.5 days, if Satan is given the kingdom as the 8th king. If Satan is not given the kingdom, then Jesus will continue to reign on earth for the next 1,000 years while Satan is bound.

 

[face2face]

70AD had little to do with the Olivet Discourse. There is no verse stating Jerusalem would be destroyed. There is one verse that points out armies would come, which was fulfulled in 66AD.

You answered your own post...that doesn't happen very often

 

[face2face]

Sure it is, continously from the future abomination of desolation, to the ultimate end in the future consummation

Your claim it started in 70AD and has been running continously for the past 2,000 years is in the book of Aesops fables

This is just you grappling with the word UNTIL.
Until you address the timeline you have nothing

 

[face2face]

70AD had little to do with the Olivet Discourse. There is no verse stating Jerusalem would be destroyed. There is one verse that points out armies would come, which was fulfulled in 66AD.

I'll deal with what is true in your post.

Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

So here we have “Parousia” His “presence” was seen in the Roman armies. "People of the prince” Dan 9:26. King to send armies Matt 22:7

Matthew 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL he times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

AND

“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, THEN know that its desolation has come near." Luke 21:24

Do you know how many times the armies surrounded Jerusalem?
Do you know why He gave them this many opportunities to flee?

@Truth7t7 I know you dont answer questions but here is another 2.

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