Timtofly
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And we pointed out that the verses in Revelation 11 have nothing to do with 70AD.
"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."
This is John measuring a future temple where Jesus as King sits on His Glorious Throne. Matthew 25:31.
Jesus and the angels have already been on the earth since the 6th Seal.
"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."
Stars coming to earth throughout the whole book is symbolic of literal angels coming to earth. The word all is not in Revelation 6, but is in Matthew 25:31:
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:"
Both verses together point out Jesus and the angels come to earth at the 6th Seal. That is the Second Coming. That is the end of the church on the earth. That is the end of the fulness of the Gentiles. That is Jesus on earth as King, going to work in removing all the trash and choosing the firstfruits of His millennial reign.
So this temple is future.
Since Revelation 10 is describing the 7th Trumpet, so is Revelation 11. The two witnesses come after the 7th Trumpet starts, along with the point the court is trodden under foot, during the same time period as the 2 witnesses and Satan's 42 months in Revelation 13, the 3rd woe, the 8th kingdom.
"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."
"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations."
The 8th kingdom is in the midst of the week of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet.
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
This is Jesus handing over the kingdom to Satan, because there were still humans on earth in the Lamb's book of life, who will choose to be beheaded in those 42 months. This time is not for Satan, not for those with the mark. It is for the many that the Atonement Covenant is still confirmed and has covered their sins. But these beheaded will stand in judgment in Revelation 20:4, and then given the first resurrection, to reign with Christ on the earth.
Many here teach a post AoD, post trib Second Coming. That is not how John wrote the book of Revelation. Revelation 19 is not called the Second Coming in Scripture. That is a false assumption by many on these forums. The rapture and Second Coming are the same event, and not split apart. And certainly Amil don't think anything happens after the Second Coming. Yet the 7th Seal is opened after the Second Coming. And all the judgments listed come after the first Trumpet, after the 7th Seal. No, the Second Coming is not named in Revelation 6 either. You will not find the term Second Coming anywhere in Scripture. If we get close in the writings of Paul, Paul does not separate the two from each other. Are we not supposed to use the term Second Coming at all since it is not a direct term from Scripture?
And if you keep insisting this is only my opinion and assumption, that point is wasted and takes up pages of useless arguments. Your opinion and assumptions are just as clear they have no Scripture to back them up. Especially if you take verses out of context looking for specific words that make your point. Obviously, any poster with time on their hands can just put together randomn verses. You don't like cut and paste of the same verses over and over, and then you don't see Scripture unless you have a reference for each word in one's sentence.
Posts get too long if one cannot even recognize God's Word as interpreted in another's post, and they have to spell it all out. I realize I may be far removed from accepted human theology. I am not addressing accepted human theology so not going to put that as talking points in my posts. All I can do is clarify a point you are not grasping.
The fulness of the Gentiles is not the same thing as the court being trodden under foot in Revelation 11. Your erroneous assumption is that Revelation 11 is symbolic of 70AD because of Daniel talking about the Gentiles, no? It is something you attribute to the Temple that was destroyed, correct? We could also get bogged down on the difference between the terms temple and tabernacle throughout Scripture. Sometimes they can be interchangeable, and at other times have a specific meaning depending on context. The whole argument in these threads seems to be over when is a word in Revelation symbolic, literal, specific or a generalization.
There is also the claim made that Revelation is not chronological, and that only they have spiritual discernment or secret information from God on the correct order that Revelation should be in. Then my points are called nonsense, because I accept the order as given, even though that order is in opposition to accepted eschatology. Why is not changing Revelation called a private interpretation and my own made up opinion? Everyone else gets to state their opinion of how Revelation should be interpreted by changing Revelation around into a twisted pretzel, and that is considered ok.
