22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[BreadOfLife]

LOL. Where does this text mention Purgatory? You have presented nothing yet to support what the Pope has taught you. The papacy is teaching you false doctrine. You are being deceived by it!!!

WHO said that Matt. 25:34-40 was about Purgatory??

Pat attention: We were talking about the JUDGEMENT of believers.

 

[WPM]

Well, the mere fact that the very Books that Jesus Himself studied from and considered "Scripture" are being referred to as "Satanic Books" on this form speaks VOLUMES about the many renegade opinions within Protestantism.

I would NOT want to be in the position of telling God that His Books are "Satanic . . ."

No one is saying that. They are historic Jewish books. But they are not inspired. Ask the Jews.

 

[WPM]

WHO said that Matt. 25:34-40 was about Purgatory??

Pat attention: We were talking about the JUDGEMENT of believers.

Who denies that? You are all over the place. First, show us purgatory in the Word, and then we can move on. So far, you have nothing. Then we can get to the rest of the error Rome teaches.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If that's the sense you want to talk about it, then, sure, I am not at that point yet since I'm obviously still alive. But, when scripture talks about being made perfect in Hebrews 11 it says it can't happen for the Old Testament believers apart from us, so it's talking about all of us having our bodies perfected and made immortal in the future at the last trumpet when Christ returns.

Alright – they are MORE perfect that you and MORE alive than you.

Look, pal, I've had about enough of your nonsense. This is a waste of time. Everyone here can see that you are full of hot air and have no clue as to what you are talking about. I don't need to spend time convincing anyone that there are many false doctrines in Catholicism. That is obvious. So, let's wrap this up, kid.

Suuuurrrre . . .

That’s why ALL I get from you are stupid denials when I plaster Scriptural proof in front of you.

If you want to call that a judgment, go ahead, but I have been talking in terms of the future judgment day at which time all people will be gathered before Christ to give an account of themselves and after which each person will either inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom prepared for believers from the foundation of the world or they will be cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels, as recorded in Matthew 25:31-46.

And that is the GENERAL Judgement – not the Particular Judgement.

Why would I tell you something like that when it obviously isn't true? You waste so much time making straw man arguments. That's time that you can't get back.

If it’s NOT true – then when WHY do you object to me asking a fellow members of the Body of Christ to pray for me??

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

This is symbolic language. Do you actually think that God needs people in heaven to bring Him the prayers of people who are praying here on earth? How would that even work in a literal sense? That would be nonsense. We can pray to God directly and He hears us. Are you somehow not aware of that? In the Lord's prayer that Jesus gave the disciples when He told them how they should pray, who did He say to pray to? People in heaven? No, the Father. The Father hears our prayers. We don't need anyone to get our prayers and deliver them to the Father. You are taking that verse way too literally. Kind of like your ridiculous interpretation of literally eating Christ's body and literally drinking His blood.

It’s called INTERCESSION, Einstein.

Does God need for your wife to ask for prayers on YOUR behalf? NO.

Is it efficacious for members of the Body of Christ to pray for one another. ABSOLUTELY, according to James 5:17. Paul asks for intercession in 1 Tim. 2:1-2.

I don't follow any false prophet, I follow Christ. Do you understand....Einstein?

NO.
I’ve PROVEN to you that you DO follow a false prophet in your adherence to the Protestant OT Canon.

If you don’t believe me – look it up yourself.
That SAME false prophet declared a false “Christ”, Simon Kokhbar.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No one is saying that. They are historic Jewish books. But they are not inspired. Ask the Jews.

I suggest you READ post #7929 to find out WHO declared those Books "uninspired".

 

[BreadOfLife]

Who denies that? You are all over the place. First, show us purgatory in the Word, and then we can move on. So far, you have nothing. Then we can get to the rest of the error Rome teaches.

I ALREADY laid out the Scriptural case for Purgatory in posts #7834 and #7850.
All I've gotten from YOU guys are a litany of denials - but no Scriptural refutation . . .

 

[WPM]

I suggest you READ post #7929 to find out WHO declared those Books "uninspired".

It is all in your head. Keep taking the pills. LOL.

 

[WPM]

I ALREADY laid out the Scriptural case for Purgatory in posts #7834 and #7850.
All I've gotten from YOU guys are a litany of denials - but no Scriptural refutation . . .

I exposed every misinterpretation you foisted upon the inspired text. Address that or admit the Pope has deceived you.

 

[covenantee]

I ALREADY laid out the Scriptural case for Purgatory in posts #7834 and #7850.
All I've gotten from YOU guys are a litany of denials - but no Scriptural refutation . . .

Let's see your Scriptural case from Isaiah 9:6 for Jesuit Robert Bellarmine's exaltation of the papal antichrist:

In English: “All names which in the scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” [Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, S.J. (Jesuit); Disputationes de Controversiis Christianae Fidei adversus hujus temporis Haereticos; Tom. 2, “Controversia Prima, De Conciliorum Auctoritate), Caput. 17, (1628 ed.) Vol. 1, pp. 266-translated] - https://www.documentacatholicaomnia...s_Robertus,_Opera_Omnia_(Vol_01_1856),_LT.pdf

In Latin: “Secundo probatur ratione, in Scripturis fundata; nam omnia nomina, quae in Scripturis tribuuntur Christo, unde constat eum esse supra Ecclesiam, eadem omnia tribuuntur Pontifici.” - http://cdigital.dgb.uanl.mx/la/1080015572_C/1080015573_T2/1080015573_21.pdf

'Disputationes de Controversiis Christianae" also mentioned in this book - https://www.documentacatholicaomnia...Sedes,_Acta_Apostolicae_Sedis_Vol_023,_LT.pdf

The link is directly provided.

The page is given as an image here:

The surrounding context is given here:

Roman Catholicism Cardinal Robert Bellarmine Disputationes De Controversiis Christianae Fidei Adversus Hujus Temporis Haereticos : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

Roman Catholicism Cardinal Robert Bellarmine Disputationes De Controversiis Christianae Fidei Adversus Hujus Temporis HaereticosYOUTUBE: ...
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[rwb]

You are saying you believe that there will be more time after the seventh trumpet sounds? If so, I disagree with that. Our bodies will be changed instantly when the seventh and last trumpet sounds. Things will happen very quickly at that point and then time will end and eternity will be ushered in. Satan's little season does not follow the sounding of the seventh trumpet, it leads up to it. I'm quite confused as to how you interpret these things even though we do basically agree on things, overall.


I don't understand what you're saying here. What you're saying implies that the seventh angels initially sounds his trumpet for multiple days and then Satan's little season follows after that. I don't understand that at all. Jesus will return immediately at the sounding of the seventh and last trumpet. Paul indicated that the dead in Christ will be raised when the last trumpet sounds and we all will be changed (1 Cor 15:51-52). That will happen when Christ returns. How can there still be more days and Satan's little season to follow after that?

The seventh and final trumpet sounds, announcing days (more than one day) following the trumpet blast. Not days of more time symbolized a thousand years for building the Kingdom of God through the Gospel preached that has ended, but days of time called Satan's little season. When the trumpet sounds the return of Christ it shall be during Satan's little season. Satan does not have a little season until time symbolized a thousand years expires. How can Satan have a little season of time if his little season is after the thousand years that symbolizes time, because he is not loosed until after this symbolic time has ended?

That's why I believe John writes "that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished". The time that is no longer, symbolized a thousand years, is the time for revealing the mystery kept secret but revealed through the prophets. Now in the days following the sounding of the seventh/last trumpet Satan is loosed. This is still the sounding of the final trumpet in the days allotted. Not that the trumpet sounds for days, but the sounding of the final trumpet sounding also Satan's little season.

I believe the only purpose for which Satan is given this little season is to gather together Gog (antichrists) and Magog (antichristians) and they shall surround the church still alive on earth during this time, hoping to prevent the completion of the Kingdom of God. Then the graves shall be opened, and the bodies of believers resurrected and changed, along with them, all believers still alive on earth at this time shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air clothed with immortal and incorruptible bodies, now fit to live forever with Christ on the new earth. Once the faithful saints have all been caught up to meet the Lord in the air, then fire comes down from God out of heaven to devour all who are still alive on the earth during the days that follow the final trumpet sounding.

 

[rwb]

But the last trump is the end. The detail attached it could not be more climatic.

See reply #7950 to Spiritual Israelite.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Alright – they are MORE perfect that you and MORE alive than you.

More perfect, sure, since they do not sin anymore. More alive? I'm 100% alive, so I have to disagree with that since you can't be more alive than that.

Suuuurrrre . . .

That’s why ALL I get from you are stupid denials when I plaster Scriptural proof in front of you.

Okay, pal. I've had it with you and your stupid comments. Quoting scripture and interepreting it out of context is proof of nothing. This is going to be my last response to your stupid nonsense.

And that is the GENERAL Judgement – not the Particular Judgement.

Show me where scripture ever refers to something it calls a "Particular Judgment". Good luck with that. Just another thing you have made up in your active imagination. Or should I say that was made up in the imagination of the false teachers that came up with this nonsense originally.

If it’s NOT true – then when WHY do you object to me asking a fellow members of the Body of Christ to pray for me??

Where does scripture ever tell us that we should ask physically dead people to pray for us? If you could actually support your stupid false beliefs with scripture then I would listen, but you can't do it.

It’s called INTERCESSION, Einstein.

It's called you making things up that aren't supported by scripture. NOWHERE in scripture are we told we should ask physically dead believers to pray for us. That is a stupid belief that someone came up with long ago in their stupid brain and you are falling for that stupid doctrine today.

Does God need for your wife to ask for prayers on YOUR behalf? NO.

Is it efficacious for members of the Body of Christ to pray for one another. ABSOLUTELY, according to James 5:17. Paul asks for intercession in 1 Tim. 2:1-2.

NO.
I’ve PROVEN to you that you DO follow a false prophet in your adherence to the Protestant OT Canon.

You have PROVEN nothing. The scriptures I follow are true and I know that to be the case. What YOU think about that is meaningless.

If you don’t believe me – look it up yourself.
That SAME false prophet declared a false “Christ”, Simon Kokhbar.

I could not care less about that. The scriptures in my Bible are all true and none of them contradict another and that is what matters.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It is all in your head. Keep taking the pills. LOL.

So, you couldn't actually REFUTE anything I wrote.

That's what I thought . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Let's see your Scriptural case from Isaiah 9:6 for Jesuit Robert Bellarmine's exaltation of the papal antichrist:

In English: “All names which in the scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that he is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” [Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, S.J. (Jesuit); Disputationes de Controversiis Christianae Fidei adversus hujus temporis Haereticos; Tom. 2, “Controversia Prima, De Conciliorum Auctoritate), Caput. 17, (1628 ed.) Vol. 1, pp. 266-translated] - https://www.documentacatholicaomnia...s_Robertus,_Opera_Omnia_(Vol_01_1856),_LT.pdf

In Latin: “Secundo probatur ratione, in Scripturis fundata; nam omnia nomina, quae in Scripturis tribuuntur Christo, unde constat eum esse supra Ecclesiam, eadem omnia tribuuntur Pontifici.” - http://cdigital.dgb.uanl.mx/la/1080015572_C/1080015573_T2/1080015573_21.pdf

'Disputationes de Controversiis Christianae" also mentioned in this book - https://www.documentacatholicaomnia...Sedes,_Acta_Apostolicae_Sedis_Vol_023,_LT.pdf

The link is directly provided.

The page is given as an image here:

The surrounding context is given here:

Roman Catholicism Cardinal Robert Bellarmine Disputationes De Controversiis Christianae Fidei Adversus Hujus Temporis Haereticos : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

Roman Catholicism Cardinal Robert Bellarmine Disputationes De Controversiis Christianae Fidei Adversus Hujus Temporis HaereticosYOUTUBE: ...
archive.org

What does this hve to do with Purgatory - which is the TOPIC we were discussing??

 

[Illuminator]

How do you know he wasn't referencing some other source? You understand there were other writings besides scripture, right? And not all of them contained false information. It's not as if he couldn't reference a non-scriptural source regarding something that had occurred, such as the martyrdom of the mother and her sons.

Paul, a Pharisee, who knew the OT well, is not about to teach something that is not scriptural. Your insistence that he is citing a non-scriptural source is just an excuse.

I don't need to prove anything to you.

Then stop making false assumptions you refuse to support.

Is that not what Catholics typically believe is the purpose of purgatory? If not, then what is the purpose of purgatory in your understanding?

The concept of purgatory began with the Jews, not the Catholic Church. So you are forced to deny Jewish history. Besides, it's a standard derailer because you have been convinced we have no scriptural support, and don't answer any of my questions. So why should I answer yours?

LOL. No contradictions? That's a good one. Okay, here is some proof:

Tobit 6:5-7, “Then the angel said to him: Take out the entrails of this fish, and lay up his heart, and his gall, and his liver for thee: for these are necessary for useful medicines. 6 And when he had done so, he roasted the flesh thereof, and they took it with them in the way: the rest they salted as much as might serve them, till they came to Rages the city of the Medes. 7 Then Tobias asked the angel, and said to him: I beseech thee, brother Azarias, tell me what remedies are these things good for, which thou hast bid me keep of the fish? 8 And the angel, answering, said to him: If thou put a little piece of its heart upon coals, the smoke thereof driveth away all kind of devils, either from man or from woman, so that they come no more to them.”

Angels don't commit witchcraft. The smoke could have medicinal properties we don't know about.

This is describing superstition/magic/witchcraft as a way to drive "away all kind of devils". But, scripture condemns witchcraft.

Tobit 4:11 “For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness.”

Tobit 12:9 “For alms delivereth from death, and the same is that which purgeth away sins, and maketh to find mercy and life everlasting.”

Alms are money or food given to the poor or needy as charity. No scripture teaches that salvation and the forgiveness of sins can be obtained by doing that. Scripture teaches that repentance and faith are required for salvation not works because otherwise we could boast about saving ourselves.

Almsgiving has nothing to do with salvation or the forgiveness of sins, it has to do with MERIT, a concept foreign to Calvinism. Catholic Merit vs. Distorted Caricatures (James McCarthy)

2 Maccabbees 12:43, “And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection.”

Once someone is dead their fate is sealed. There is no way of someone having their sin forgiven after they are dead. Scripture teaches that people only have judgment to look forward to after death, not a further opportunity to have their sins forgiven (Hebrews 9:27).

Purgatory is about cleansing the consequences of sin, not sin itself. You rail against a straw man.

Judith 1:5 “Now in the twelfth year of his reign, Nabuchodonosor, king of the Assyrians, who reigned in Ninive the great city, fought against Arphaxad and overcame him.”

Baruch 6:2 “And when you are come into Babylon, you shall be there many years, and for a long time, even to seven generations: and after that I will bring you away from thence with peace.”

The book of Judith incorrectly says that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of the Assyrians when he was the king of the Babylonians.

You borrowed these from CARM forum.
Personally I find it amusing that many of the same Protestants who knock Judith over “Nebuchadnezzar, king of the Assyrians” would jump to the defense of the Book of Daniel over Darius the Mede. Even though Darius the Mede is unknown outside of Daniel, many reply that he may be identified with Gubaru, Cyrus or Cyaxares II. Don’t get me wrong. I think they are right to defend Daniel. Personally, I think Darius the Mede can be identified with Cyaxares II, though I don’t rule out Cyrus. However, my point is that though Protestants will go through many lengths to give the undisputed portions of Scripture the benefit of the doubt, while simultaneously reading the Deuterocanon with a close minded hermeneutic of suspicion identical to that of an internet fundy atheist.

In their book Evidence that Demands a Verdict, Protestant Scholars and Apologists Josh and Sean McDowell say:

Though critics commonly assert that the Old Testament contains authentic contradictions, many Bible scholars have provided plausible harmonizations over the centuries. Alleged contradictions often arise from mistakes in interpretation, ignoring genre or literary devices, or through a host of other faulty assumptions. Such alleged contradictions require further research, and others have been satisfactorily resolved. But given the track record of scholarship in this area, we have good reason to believe that if all the facts were known, all alleged discrepancies would disappear. (Page 601)

. . . And yet much earlier, they are quick to say that the so-called “Apocryphal books” are non-canonical because “they abound in historical and geographical inaccuracies’ and anachronisms.” (pg 38). Counter arguments are never considered.

Baruch 6:2 says the Jews would serve in Babylon for seven generations where Jeremiah 25:11 says it was for 70 years. “And this whole land shall be a desolation and a horror, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.”

There are more, but this should suffice for now.

And I don't care that you don't care if I believe the Deuterocanons aren't scripture.

Stop this overly dramatic nonsense. I am not anti-Semitic at all.

But you have no problem denying the facts of Jewish history, never mind current Jewish practices like the Kaddish prayers.

That is what the person I was talking to seemed to think. I was not talking to you.

I couldn't care less about that because the early Jews weren't right about some things. So, that alone isn't a reason to reject them. I reject them because they contradict true scripture.

No, you reject the Deuterocanonicals because you have been trained to reject them, reinforced by anti-Catholic sites like the Calvinist CARM forum.

What you're saying here doesn't apply to me at all. I don't go by what flawed Protestants say, I go by what the Holy Spirit tells me.

The Holy Spirit didn't tell Martin Luther to reject the Deuterocanonicals, he rejected them because they conflicted with his erroneous opinions.

 

[WPM]

So, you couldn't actually REFUTE anything I wrote.

That's what I thought . . .

Your arguments have not even got off the blocks. They are ridiculous. They are based on El Papas whims. Just like the papacy has recently changed their teaching on Limbo. You are obliged to do similar. This is a total joke. When the next Pope cancels purgatory you will then run with that. You have to. RCs cannot think for themselves. They are programmed to believe the opinions of their sinful pontiff.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The seventh and final trumpet sounds, announcing days (more than one day) following the trumpet blast.

I addressed this already. The seventh trumpet does not announce days following the trumpet blast. I believe you are misinterpreting that. The days mentioned there are the days PRECEDING the sounding of the seventh trumpet, as other translations of Revelation 10:7 like the NIV indicate, but what is not evident from translations of that verse such as the KJV.

Not days of more time symbolized a thousand years for building the Kingdom of God through the Gospel preached that has ended, but days of time called Satan's little season. When the trumpet sounds the return of Christ it shall be AFTER Satan's little season. Satan does not have a little season until time symbolized a thousand years expires. How can Satan have a little season of time if his little season is after the thousand years that symbolizes time, because he is not loosed until after this symbolic time has ended?

I'm sorry, but I could not understand anything you said here. It's okay. We agree on most things. But, I cannot make sense of your understanding of the thousand years and Satan's little season even though do agree that the thousand years started when Christ was resurrected (or thereabouts) and that Christ returns after Satan's little season.

That's why I believe John writes "that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished".

Again, I believe that is talking about the days leading up to the sounding of the seventh trumpet, not days that follow the sounding of the seventh trumpet. Unfortunately, that is not evident when you read the KJV translation of that verse.

The time that is no longer, symbolized a thousand years, is the time for revealing the mystery kept secret but revealed through the prophets. Now in the days following the sounding of the seventh/last trumpet Satan is loosed.

Satan loosed after the sounding of the seventh trumpet? I just don't understand that at all. The seventh trumpet will sound at the end of Satan's little season, not at the beginning. I'm honestly completely baffled by your interpretation of this.

This is still the sounding of the final trumpet in the days allotted. Not that the trumpet sounds for days, but the sounding of the final trumpet sounding also Satan's little season.

It signals the end of Satan's little season, not the beginning of it. Do you not understand that Christ returns at the seventh trumpet and the dead in Christ are raised at that time (1 Cor 15:22-23;51-52)? How can Satan's little season follow Christ's return and the resurrection of the dead in Christ?

I believe the only purpose for which Satan is given this little season is to gather together Gog (antichrists) and Magog (antichristians) and they shall surround the church still alive on earth during this time, hoping to prevent the completion of the Kingdom of God.

And how long do you think that will take? It indicates that Gog and Magog symbolically represent people from "the four quarters of the earth" who number "as the sand of the sea". A little season for this to happen would not just be a few days, as it seems like you believe.

 

[covenantee]

What does this hve to do with Purgatory - which is the TOPIC we were discussing??

You were discussing purgatory, judgment, Protestantism, the Canon, et al. Why not Bellarmine?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Paul, a Pharisee, who knew the OT well, is not about to teach something that is not scriptural. Your insistence that he is citing a non-scriptural source is just an excuse.

Facts regarding historical events, including things that happened to believers, can be found in places other than scripture. What do you think, that all books that have been written besides scripture are full of lies?

Then stop making false assumptions you refuse to support.

I am supporting my claims. Stop lying.

The concept of purgatory began with the Jews, not the Catholic Church. So you are forced to deny Jewish history.

Are you somehow not aware that the Jews had many false beliefs for a long time? Jesus corrected many of them when He talked to the Pharisees and scribes.

Besides, it's a standard derailer because you have been convinced we have no scriptural support, and don't answer any of my questions. So why should I answer yours?

You can do whatever you want and so can I. It's up to you. Isn't that great? We have the ability to choose what we want to do. So, use that freedom however you want.

Angels don't commit witchcraft. The smoke could have medicinal properties we don't know about.

Exactly, which is why that is not scripture because angels don't commit witchcraft like is described in that passage from that non-scriptural book.

Almsgiving has nothing to do with salvation or the forgiveness of sins, it has to do with MERIT, a concept foreign to Calvinism.

This shows that you have no idea of who you are talking to and all you are able to do is make assumptions. I am not a Calvinist. Far from it. So, try again. You don't have to be a Calvinist to believe that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works. That is taught repeatedly in scripture.

Purgatory is about cleansing the consequences of sin, not sin itself. You rail against a straw man.

The blood of Jesus accomplishes that! For you to think there is any other way for that to be accomplished shows that you do not even understand what Jesus did for us.

You borrowed these from CARM forum.

Who cares where I got the info? That doesn't matter. Can you refute any of it? I'm sure you cannot. That is what matters.

Personally I find it amusing that many of the same Protestants who knock Judith over “Nebuchadnezzar, king of the Assyrians” would jump to the defense of the Book of Daniel over Darius the Mede. Even though Darius the Mede is unknown outside of Daniel, many reply that he may be identified with Gubaru, Cyrus or Cyaxares II. Don’t get me wrong. I think they are right to defend Daniel. Personally, I think Darius the Mede can be identified with Cyaxares II, though I don’t rule out Cyrus. However, my point is that though Protestants will go through many lengths to give the undisputed portions of Scripture the benefit of the doubt, while simultaneously reading the Deuterocanon with a close minded hermeneutic of suspicion identical to that of an internet fundy atheist.

Look at you trying to distract from the fact that your book that you falsely think is scripture contains things that contradict other books that we all agree are scripture. Did you think I wouldn't notice that you didn't address this and tried to change the subject instead?

In their book Evidence that Demands a Verdict, Protestant Scholars and Apologists Josh and Sean McDowell say:


. . . And yet much earlier, they are quick to say that the so-called “Apocryphal books” are non-canonical because “they abound in historical and geographical inaccuracies’ and anachronisms.” (pg 38). Counter arguments are never considered.

But you have no problem denying the facts of Jewish history.

No, you reject the Deuterocanonicals because you have been trained to reject them, reinforced by anti-Catholic garbage forums like CARM.

I had never read that site before in my life, but I don't just have passages from those books handy to quote from. I don't waste a lot of time reading those books since they are obviously not scripture. There's nothing wrong with me taking advantage of people who have taken more time to look into it to get info from them. It doesn't matter where I got it from. Can you refute what they showed? No, you can't. But, instead of just admitting that you act like it matters where I pulled my info from. It doesn't.

The Holy Spirit didn't tell Martin Luther to reject the Deuterocanonicals, he rejected them because they conflicted with his erroneous opinions.

You are doing NOTHING to support your case. Nothing but empty words. Catholicism is an invention of Satan and those with discernment can easily see that.

 

[BreadOfLife]

More perfect, sure, since they do not sin anymore. More alive? I'm 100% alive, so I have to disagree with that since you can't be more alive than that.

Yes – MORE alive because they are in the presence of Alnighty God and their will is in perfect line with His.

A arrogant as YOU are – YOU ain’t there yet.

Okay, pal. I've had it with you and your stupid comments. Quoting scripture and interepreting it out of context is proof of nothing. This is going to be my last response to your stupid nonsense.

Well . . . BYE.

Show me where scripture ever refers to something it calls a "Particular Judgment". Good luck with that. Just another thing you have made up in your active imagination. Or should I say that was made up in the imagination of the false teachers that came up with this nonsense originally.

Show me where Scripture ever refers to the “Incarnation”
Show me where Scripture ever refers to the “Trinity”
Show me where Scripture ever refers to the “Bible”

Just because the phrase isn’t there doesn’t mean the TEACHING isn’t.

Where does scripture ever tell us that we should ask physically dead people to pray for us? If you could actually support your stupid false beliefs with scripture then I would listen, but you can't do it.

MY Bible says that those in Haven aren’t “dead” – but ALIVE (Heb. 12:1, Rev. 5:8).

It's called you making things up that aren't supported by scripture. NOWHERE in scripture are we told we should ask physically dead believers to pray for us. That is a stupid belief that someone came up with long ago in their stupid brain and you are falling for that stupid doctrine today.


You have PROVEN nothing. The scriptures I follow are true and I know that to be the case. What YOU think about that is meaningless.

And they were edited by a FALSE Prophet - AFTER Jesus had ascended to the Father.
I adhere to the OT Canon that Jesus did.

I could not care less about that. The scriptures in my Bible are all true and none of them contradict another and that is what matters.

Of course they’re all true- they’re the Word of God.

So are the Deuterocanonical Books that you reject – or should I say, were rejected by a FALSE Prophet that YOU agree with.