22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[WPM]

As you have been shown several times, the believer is "Translated" from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of Jesus Christ in light

The believer is "Sealed" and "Quickened" by God the Holy Spirit

Your claim of a "Spiritual Resurrection" is your private interpretation found no place in scripture

Conclusion: You falsely use the term "Spiritual Resurrection" to lay a false foundation to interpret Revelation 20:6 to be fulfilled at a believers salvation "FALSE"!

Translation occurs when some one is raised from the dead. Hello! You cannot handle the Word. Your mentor Scofield was the exact same.

 

[Truth7t7]

Mortal people do not INHERIT Gods Kingdom, nor Christ’s Kingdom.

Mortal (believing) people shall occupy their own earthly nations, under their own mortal kings, WHILE Christ Jesus shall occupy His Earthly Kingdom, as KING of kings, for 1,000 years.

Your claim is "Laghable"!

Colossians 1:13-14KJV
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

 

[Truth7t7]

Incurable cowardice.

Does "dead in trespasses and sins" refer to spiritual death or physical death?

The reformed gangs fake news narrative, do you work for CNN, or MSNBC?

 

[WPM]

The reformed gangs fake news narrative, do you work for CNN, or MSNBC?

Better than the Romanist gang you belong to.

 

[WPM]

Incurable cowardice.

Does "dead in trespasses and sins" refer to spiritual death or physical death?

Have a look at his response above. This is what he does when his Scofield doctrine is exposed and he cannot find Scripture to support his error. Avoidance and infantile name-calling are all he has now. This is a reminder why there should be better online parental monitoring at times.

 

[covenantee]

The reformed gangs fake news narrative, do you work for CNN, or MSNBC?

Unrelenting cowardice.

Does "dead in trespasses and sins" refer to spiritual death or physical death?

 

[Truth7t7]

Have a look at his response above. This is what he does when his Scofield doctrine is exposed and he cannot find Scripture to support his error. Avoidance and infantile name-calling are all he has now. This is a reminder why there should be better online parental monitoring at times.

Like your false claim "Spiritual Resurrection" is existent in scripture, big smiles to your reformed preterist interpretation!

 

[Truth7t7]

Unrelenting cowardice.

Does "dead in trespasses and sins" refer to spiritual death or physical death?

Smiles!

Grow up, make a statement and claim, you scared

 

[covenantee]

Smiles!

Grow up, make a statement and claim, you scared

I'm giving you a chance to make your own claim by answering the question.

Are you ashamed of your own claim?

 

[Taken]

Your claim is "Laghable"!

Glad you can laugh. Laughter is good.

Colossians 1:13-14KJV
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

So what do you think Col 1:13-14 means?

 

[Taken]

As you have been shown several times, the believer is "Translated" from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of Jesus Christ in light

The believer is "Sealed" and "Quickened" by God the Holy Spirit

When conversing with someone “you already KNOW” is not in agreement with you….being precise is paramount.

Regardless, the other WILL undoubtedly still deflect to name-calling, cause that is the nature of a natural man!

You say “THE BELIEVER” “IS” translated….but do not IDENTIFY “the Believer”…..Believer IN WHAT?

1) Believer IN Jesus?
Believe that Jesus DIED and Rose Up?
2) Believer IN Christ Jesus and God?
Believe that Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God?

And WHO IS the POWER of Darkness?

And WHO Delivered WHO from the POWER of Darkness and WHEN?

The POWER of Darkness IS Satan.

God Delivers Believers IN Jesus, From the Power of Darkness….WHEN a man physically bodily DIES….Believing Jesus Died and Rose UP.
That man DURING his lifetime, CAN CONTINUE to SIN against God. Because THAT man HAS NOT become DEAD….
Not physically, Not Spiritually.
THAT man BECOMES SAVED, once his body is physically DEAD….AND he physically DIED believing IN … Jesus died and rose up.
That man DIED…”IN” Jesus.
That man SHALL Be “risen UP” BY God, After Christ’s millennial reign…
That man SHALL BE participating in the FIRST Resurrection….”IF” that man CONTINUES to believe “IN” Jesus, to the day of his Physical bodily Death.
….CAVEAT….
THAT MAN…..CAN stop believing IN Jesus.
THAT MAN…..CAN stop believing Jesus died and rose again.
SUCH a man WHO STOPS believing Jesus died and rose again….does not satisfy the “IF” requirement…..and WOULD NOT BECOME SAVED, after his body dies, and WOULD NOT be risen up by God in the First resurrection.
God raises up mens Dead body’s, who DIED IN JESUS, from their graves TO the face of the Earth.
(AND MANY scriptures WARN of the DANGERS THAT man must be aware and cautious…..And the DANGERS ARE: EVIL spirits and WICKED men are continually trying to Convince them to REJECT their Belief…IN Jesus).
Because IF they ARE Convinced to REJECT their BELIEF, and bodily DIE NOT BELIEVING IN JESUS….they will NOT be SAVED….which is to say, they will HAVE forfeited, lost their expectation to Receive their Salvation.

A man “IN” Christ Jesus, WAS Spiritually Crucified WITH Jesus.
THAT man CONFESSED his Belief.
His Belief IS: Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God….
THAT encompasses: That mans BELIEF….IN Jesus, IN Christ, IN God.
THAT man IS SPIRITUALLY (by the Spirit of God) ACCOUNTED Bodily DEAD.
THAT man IS; FORGIVEN his SINS, IS saved, IS: spirit quickened….AT THAT MOMENT.
BY the Power of the Holy Spirit…WHO IS CHRIST.
THAT man IS: Justified to BE RISEN UP in his OWN glorified Body.
THAT man SHALL BE RISEN UP in his own glorified BODY….BY the Lord…WHEN the Lord RAISES UP that man.
THAT mans BODY is already ACCOUNTED DEAD.
THAT man “continues” living his MORTAL life, in his mortal body…..BUT SPIRITUALLY, is LIVING IN JESUS’ RISEN BODY….and CALLED….”converted “IN” Christ”…..
CALLED….”IN” Christ
And Christ, who IS the Power of God…
IS CALLED…”IN” that man.
That man, BY THE POWER of “CHRIST” IN him, Can SIN NO MORE.
That man, IS SAVE, SEALED, QUICKENED, FOREVER…..for the rest of his mortal life’s days, into eternity….(to which the acronym OSAS, applies).
That man IS now a member OF Christ’s CHURCH.
That man NOW a Saint that belongs to Christ the Lord Jesus.
The Lord raises UP mens dead body’s who spiritually died IN Christ, then died physically, TO The Clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
The Lord changes alive mortal bodies, to glorified bodies, and raises them UP, TO the Clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
IN the air, WITH the Lord, ARE all who BELIEVED, Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God…FULLY Believing, IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ….and were crucified with Jesus…are raise up BY the Lord….BECAUSE they have FULLY satisfied GOD, BY their belief IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ….that THEY are NOT appointed to SUFFER the Great TribulationS and wrathS, that the Lamb of God, the Devil , God Himself SHALL BE SENDING DOWN from Heaven UPON the face of the Earth as Plagues and Judgements AGAINST the unrighteous.

THE Son of man SHALL appear ON a WHITE CLOUD, for ALL “every man who has ever lived”, TO SEE.
He shall REAP the Earth….Separate the Divided…(The Divided are the remaining (not killed by the tribulations) Believers IN Jesus on the Earth, and the Followers of Satan remaining (not killed by the tribulations) on the Earth)…
The Followers of Satan are bodily killed, their living souls sent to hell, to wait for the 2nd resurrection, judgement, sentencing.
The Believers IN Jesus, REMAIN ON THE EARTH, and begin establishing new cities, nations, appointing their governing heads, ie kings…
The SAVED, QUICKENED, the SAINTS, IN Christ, IN the Clouds WITH the Lord, Return to the EARTH…….WITH Christ the Lord Jesus, who is COME TO EARTH TO CLAIM HIS “EARTHLY” THRONE and KINGDOM.
What LAND is Christ Jesus Earthly Kingdom?
The Exact LAND Promised to Abraham and his Faithful Descendants….which expressly APPLIES to Christ Jesus and those IN and WITH Christ Jesus.
What THRONE is now Christ Jesus’ Throne?
The SAME everlasting Throne God Established FOR king David, and the faithful descendants of king David….
AND DID JESUS satisfy the requirement to BE ACCOUNTED as a Faithful descendant of king David?
Yes.
Jesus was SPIRITUALLY FAITHFUL TO GOD, according to Gods LAW.
Jesus was LEGALLY the Son of Man (Joseph), of the House of David….and LEGALLY the Son of Mary, married, joined as one, with a man OF the House of David…
Jesus Satisfied … FULFILLED…both…God’s and Man’s Law, TO Lawfully be a descendant, and heir, to Abraham’s LAND and kind David’s Throne (in Jerusalem)….
AND Christ Jesus Arrives ON EARTH, (BOOTS SATAN, off the face of the earth,)With His Saints, TO CLAIM His rightful Inheritance, and RULES (according to the Word God) OVER ALL the remaining BELIEVERS, mortal kings, and nations of mortal people)…..For a precise period of 1,000 years.

Your claim of a "Spiritual Resurrection" is your private interpretation found no place in scripture

Conclusion: You falsely use the term "Spiritual Resurrection" to lay a false foundation to interpret Revelation 20:6 to be fulfilled at a believers salvation "FALSE"!

A spiritual resurrection is not stated in Scripture, however the Wisdom of Understanding, a Living man who freely and willingly lays down his life Crucified with Jesus, IS performing a Spiritual Act, for a Spiritual God, of Giving his LIFE unto Death, FOR his Lord God Almighty.

 

[WPM]

I'm giving you a chance to make your own claim by answering the question.

Are you ashamed of your own claim?

He is!

 

[WPM]

Smiles!

Grow up, make a statement and claim, you scared

You seem to have a lot to hide!

 

[WPM]

Like your false claim "Spiritual Resurrection" is existent in scripture, big smiles to your reformed preterist interpretation!

Does "dead in trespasses and sins" refer to spiritual death or physical death?

 

[Truther]

That explains why you are so confused and cannot address the counter-evidence. It exposes your error. You are an expert at avoidance. That is why you make a good Premil. This is why Amils win every debate here. There is nothing to refute from Premils apart from avoidance, personal opinions and insults.

Premil takes Rev literal. Safe.

Amil makes Rev open ended. Unsafe.

There is a curse on those that open end the book's meanings.

No thanks.

 

[Truther]

LOL. Check mate. I knew you would avoid this. That is your MO. That is all you do. Check back on any discussion you involve in and that is what you do. This thread is a classic case-in-point of how you have no answer to Amil.You must promote error and present petty attacks.

Check mate is right.

You qualify as an Amil for this....

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Because of this...


Amil: "this is not what this appears to mean"...
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[WPM]

Premil takes Rev literal. Safe.

Amil makes Rev open ended. Unsafe.

There is a curse on those that open end the book's meanings.

No thanks.

Wrong. You interpret the whole of Scripture through your faulty opinion of Revelation 20. You are fixated with this chapter. Smart and objective theologians interpret Revelation 20 through the lens of the rest of Scripture. Your boring mantra is:

Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says.

The Premil theory enjoys zero corroboration on all its main tenets. That is because their understanding and placement of Revelation 20 is faulty. They fail to interpret Scripture with Scripture. This is what divides Amil from Premil. Yes, Jesus is sovereignly reigning today with a rod of iron over all His enemies. He will destroy His enemies when He comes. None will survive.

 

[Truther]

Wrong. You interpret the whole of Scripture through your faulty opinion of Revelation 20. You are fixated with this chapter. Smart and objective theologians interpret Revelation 20 through the lens of the rest of Scripture. Your boring mantra is:

Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says. Revelation 20 says.

The Premil theory enjoys zero corroboration on all its main tenets. That is because their understanding and placement of Revelation 20 is faulty. They fail to interpret Scripture with Scripture. This is what divides Amil from Premil. Yes, Jesus is sovereignly reigning today with a rod of iron over all His enemies. He will destroy His enemies when He comes. None will survive.

It's not cool to be "open minded" to redefining Rev's factual verses into metaphors.

The Amil imagination station is getting the best of them.

They can't even believe the words of Jesus as factual, but think Jesus is the master of metaphors.

I bet they don't even think that the parable of the sower was about an actual historic event, but that was made up in the mind of Jesus and impossible to happen.

 

[WPM]

It's not cool to be "open minded" to redefining Rev's factual verses into metaphors.

The Amil imagination station is getting the best of them.

They can't even believe the words of Jesus as factual, but think Jesus is the master of metaphors.

I bet they don't even think that the parable of the sower was about an actual historic event, but that was made up in the mind of Jesus and impossible to happen.

So, you have moved unto Phase 2 of the Premil process - name-calling and pettiness. Phase 1 is avoidance. Phase 3 is running. Get it off your chest and out of your system.

 

[Truth7t7]

When conversing with someone “you already KNOW” is not in agreement with you….being precise is paramount.

Regardless, the other WILL undoubtedly still deflect to name-calling, cause that is the nature of a natural man!

You say “THE BELIEVER” “IS” translated….but do not IDENTIFY “the Believer”…..Believer IN WHAT?

1) Believer IN Jesus?
Believe that Jesus DIED and Rose Up?
2) Believer IN Christ Jesus and God?
Believe that Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God?

And WHO IS the POWER of Darkness?

And WHO Delivered WHO from the POWER of Darkness and WHEN?

The POWER of Darkness IS Satan.

God Delivers Believers IN Jesus, From the Power of Darkness….WHEN a man physically bodily DIES….Believing Jesus Died and Rose UP.
That man DURING his lifetime, CAN CONTINUE to SIN against God. Because THAT man HAS NOT become DEAD….
Not physically, Not Spiritually.
THAT man BECOMES SAVED, once his body is physically DEAD….AND he physically DIED believing IN … Jesus died and rose up.
That man DIED…”IN” Jesus.
That man SHALL Be “risen UP” BY God, After Christ’s millennial reign…
That man SHALL BE participating in the FIRST Resurrection….”IF” that man CONTINUES to believe “IN” Jesus, to the day of his Physical bodily Death.
….CAVEAT….
THAT MAN…..CAN stop believing IN Jesus.
THAT MAN…..CAN stop believing Jesus died and rose again.
SUCH a man WHO STOPS believing Jesus died and rose again….does not satisfy the “IF” requirement…..and WOULD NOT BECOME SAVED, after his body dies, and WOULD NOT be risen up by God in the First resurrection.
God raises up mens Dead body’s, who DIED IN JESUS, from their graves TO the face of the Earth.
(AND MANY scriptures WARN of the DANGERS THAT man must be aware and cautious…..And the DANGERS ARE: EVIL spirits and WICKED men are continually trying to Convince them to REJECT their Belief…IN Jesus).
Because IF they ARE Convinced to REJECT their BELIEF, and bodily DIE NOT BELIEVING IN JESUS….they will NOT be SAVED….which is to say, they will HAVE forfeited, lost their expectation to Receive their Salvation.

A man “IN” Christ Jesus, WAS Spiritually Crucified WITH Jesus.
THAT man CONFESSED his Belief.
His Belief IS: Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God….
THAT encompasses: That mans BELIEF….IN Jesus, IN Christ, IN God.
THAT man IS SPIRITUALLY (by the Spirit of God) ACCOUNTED Bodily DEAD.
THAT man IS; FORGIVEN his SINS, IS saved, IS: spirit quickened….AT THAT MOMENT.
BY the Power of the Holy Spirit…WHO IS CHRIST.
THAT man IS: Justified to BE RISEN UP in his OWN glorified Body.
THAT man SHALL BE RISEN UP in his own glorified BODY….BY the Lord…WHEN the Lord RAISES UP that man.
THAT mans BODY is already ACCOUNTED DEAD.
THAT man “continues” living his MORTAL life, in his mortal body…..BUT SPIRITUALLY, is LIVING IN JESUS’ RISEN BODY….and CALLED….”converted “IN” Christ”…..
CALLED….”IN” Christ
And Christ, who IS the Power of God…
IS CALLED…”IN” that man.
That man, BY THE POWER of “CHRIST” IN him, Can SIN NO MORE.
That man, IS SAVE, SEALED, QUICKENED, FOREVER…..for the rest of his mortal life’s days, into eternity….(to which the acronym OSAS, applies).
That man IS now a member OF Christ’s CHURCH.
That man NOW a Saint that belongs to Christ the Lord Jesus.
The Lord raises UP mens dead body’s who spiritually died IN Christ, then died physically, TO The Clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
The Lord changes alive mortal bodies, to glorified bodies, and raises them UP, TO the Clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
IN the air, WITH the Lord, ARE all who BELIEVED, Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God…FULLY Believing, IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ….and were crucified with Jesus…are raise up BY the Lord….BECAUSE they have FULLY satisfied GOD, BY their belief IN God, IN Jesus, IN Christ….that THEY are NOT appointed to SUFFER the Great TribulationS and wrathS, that the Lamb of God, the Devil , God Himself SHALL BE SENDING DOWN from Heaven UPON the face of the Earth as Plagues and Judgements AGAINST the unrighteous.

THE Son of man SHALL appear ON a WHITE CLOUD, for ALL “every man who has ever lived”, TO SEE.
He shall REAP the Earth….Separate the Divided…(The Divided are the remaining (not killed by the tribulations) Believers IN Jesus on the Earth, and the Followers of Satan remaining (not killed by the tribulations) on the Earth)…
The Followers of Satan are bodily killed, their living souls sent to hell, to wait for the 2nd resurrection, judgement, sentencing.
The Believers IN Jesus, REMAIN ON THE EARTH, and begin establishing new cities, nations, appointing their governing heads, ie kings…
The SAVED, QUICKENED, the SAINTS, IN Christ, IN the Clouds WITH the Lord, Return to the EARTH…….WITH Christ the Lord Jesus, who is COME TO EARTH TO CLAIM HIS “EARTHLY” THRONE and KINGDOM.
What LAND is Christ Jesus Earthly Kingdom?
The Exact LAND Promised to Abraham and his Faithful Descendants….which expressly APPLIES to Christ Jesus and those IN and WITH Christ Jesus.
What THRONE is now Christ Jesus’ Throne?
The SAME everlasting Throne God Established FOR king David, and the faithful descendants of king David….
AND DID JESUS satisfy the requirement to BE ACCOUNTED as a Faithful descendant of king David?
Yes.
Jesus was SPIRITUALLY FAITHFUL TO GOD, according to Gods LAW.
Jesus was LEGALLY the Son of Man (Joseph), of the House of David….and LEGALLY the Son of Mary, married, joined as one, with a man OF the House of David…
Jesus Satisfied … FULFILLED…both…God’s and Man’s Law, TO Lawfully be a descendant, and heir, to Abraham’s LAND and kind David’s Throne (in Jerusalem)….
AND Christ Jesus Arrives ON EARTH, (BOOTS SATAN, off the face of the earth,)With His Saints, TO CLAIM His rightful Inheritance, and RULES (according to the Word God) OVER ALL the remaining BELIEVERS, mortal kings, and nations of mortal people)…..For a precise period of 1,000 years.



A spiritual resurrection is not stated in Scripture, however the Wisdom of Understanding, a Living man who freely and willingly lays down his life Crucified with Jesus, IS performing a Spiritual Act, for a Spiritual God, of Giving his LIFE unto Death, FOR his Lord God Almighty.

Smiles!