What did the atoning death of Christ accomplish ? Talk to meThat was your response to my post #181.
So yes, I know what I'm talking about.
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What did the atoning death of Christ accomplish ? Talk to meThat was your response to my post #181.
So yes, I know what I'm talking about.
My post #181 addressed your posts where you were saying that Christ's atoning death was for His people. But in all of that, you said nothing about the need for one to have Faith in Him in order to RECEIVE His atoning grace. And how that applies to the believing Gentiles also. All souls MUST believe on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ in order to have eternal Life through His Blood, and that means the Jews must 'believe' also, as it is not automatic for them either.What did the atoning death of Christ accomplish ? Talk to me
What did the atoning death of Christ accomplish ?My post #181 addressed your posts where you were saying that Christ's atoning death was for His people. But in all of that, you said nothing about the need for one to have Faith in Him in order to RECEIVE His atoning grace. And how that applies to the believing Gentiles also. All souls MUST believe on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ in order to have eternal Life through His Blood, and that means the Jews must 'believe' also, as it is not automatic for them either.
Thus Lord Jesus did not just die on the cross for the Israelite peoples, but for the Gentiles in Faith also, as The New Testament teaches that Christ's Church is made up of BOTH... believing Israelite and believing Gentile.
Furthermore, those who call themselves by the title of 'Jew' that believe on Jesus of Nazareth do not even make up the majority of the 'seed' of Israel. The ten northern tribes were not known as a Jews. The Jews was title used by the southern "kingdom of Judah" under the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, per Old Testament history, and per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.).
I'm game. I'll use a different tack, use theological arguments rather than just citing texts where you either assign whole new meanings to the text or words or just outright deny the text exists.What did the atoning death of Christ accomplish ? Talk to me
This is garbage !I'm game. I'll use a different tack, use theological arguments rather than just citing texts where you either assign whole new meanings to the text or words or just outright deny the text exists.
Regarding your question above.
Just two texts Heb 2:9 and I John 2:2. Christ's atonement accomplished two things, Overcame death and performed a sacrifice for sin.
The Incarnation of Christ was consubstantial with man and the world. Man was created from the dust of the earth, Man is the middle agent between God and His creation. They are intrinsically intertwined. So much so, that if a change in made in one, the same change is made to all. Adam human nature was condemned to death because of his sin. Rom 5:12, Gen 3:19, I Cor 15:20-22. That death sentence also fell upon the world. The word used is mortality. We live in a state of death. We are dying and we can die at any time for any number of reasons. In other words we do not have life, unending life.
We also know that man was consigned to die once. Why? To rid ourselves of this body of sin. We sin because we are mortal. This mortal shall die. The sting of death is sin. I Cor 15;56
Here is what God said about this consignment to death, Rom 11:32. He consigned death to all men, so that He could have mercy upon all men.
What mercy is He speaking about? Actually the Incarnation whereby Christ assumed our human natures. By His resurrection of that nature, He has raised all human beings to life. This does not happen in this life, but in the eschaton. I Cor 15:53.
It is an impossibility that Christ did not raise all the dead. We all have the same human nature. Thus all men will be raised in the last day, without exception. This is what these texts affirm, I Cor 15:20-22, Heb 2:14-16, I Col 1:20, II Cor 5:18-19, II Tim 1:10, Rom 5:15-19.
Other texts that corroborate the Incarnation and its effect- Acts 24:15; Acts 23:6; I Cor 15:52, Eph 1:10; John 5:28, John 12: 32, I Tim 4:10, Is 26:19, Dan 12:2, Luke 2:30-32, Rev 20:12-13. They also show the universality of Christ's redemptive work. John 4:42, I John 4:14.
Now, lets look at the other work Christ accomplished on the Cross. Here again the universality of His offering of necessity must be for all men. One simple drop of blood, accomplishes the sacrifice. It is sufficient to offer forgiveness of sin for more people that that will ever live on this earth.
Death is not overcome in this world. As noted man will once die, for the purpose to rid our bodies of sin. It is accomplished at His second coming when all men will be raised to stand in judgement for their deeds, Rom 2:5-11.
Because we retain our mortal bodies in this life, we will sin. How is God going to have a relationship with man if man sins?
He offers us remission of sin by confession of our sins because He covered (expiated) those sins by His sacrifice. Those that believe, repent, and confess ones sins will be able to have a relationship with God in this life.
Christ reversed the fall of man. Adam was given life as a human being. He was created to have union, communion with God. It was his vocation to use this world to God's glory and give back to Him honor and glory through obedience. God created man a free moral agent who could return God's love freely. God cannot compel, force man against his will.
Sin is still with us. Christ did not remove sin from this world. Our living in this world, with a fallen nature, that sins is a test of our free will to love God, to remain faithful through obedience, the requirement He gave to Adam. If Adam had not sinned, disobeyed, he would have been given immortality by God.
This all ends at His second coming. Our bodies will be raised, because He defeated death and gave life, incorruptibility and immortality to all men.
All men will be judged, those who were faithful, will enter into eternal life with Christ.
Those that rejected Him will be condemned, separated from communion with God.
God is love, He loveth mankind.
Prove that it is. Saying it is garbage does nothing to advance the discussion. Or are you saying you cannot discuss it because you don't understand your own view in relation to what scripture has always meant.This is garbage !
Dont have time for garbage, you proved it !Prove that it is. Saying it is garbage does nothing to advance the discussion. Or are you saying you cannot discuss it because you don't understand your own view in relation to what scripture has always meant.
If your view is Biblical how come you cannot refute something that you see as garbage.
You've been told, so now go study like Apostle Paul told Timothy.What did the atoning death of Christ accomplish ?
Yeah but do you know ? I dont think you do !You've been told, so now go study like Apostle Paul told Timothy.
Try reading my posts instead of just being a smart-elik and you MIGHT begin to understand what I showed you from God's Word. But of course doing that is up to you.Yeah but do you know ? I dont think you do !
Notice also Vs 25, God will cleanse them from all their Idols, for thats important in becoming experientially the People of God.inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding
a) inner part, midst
1) midst (of things)
2) heart (of man)
3) soul, heart (of man)
4) mind, knowledge, thinking, reflection, memory
5) inclination, resolution, determination (of will)
6) conscience
7) heart (of moral character)
8) as seat of appetites
9) as seat of emotions and passions
10) as seat of courage