Another Premillennial absurdity

[Taken]

You admitted it in your last post. You are fighting with yourself. Your pristine perfect millennium is a perfect delusion. It is saturated with billions of mortal religious phonies as the sand of the sea who abandon Christ and follow Satan.

REALLY?
“I admitted fighting with myself?
FUNNY... those are Your words.
CONVENIENT...you didn’t quote My words and then respond
ODD, deceiving...you quoted Your words, then responded to Your words.
TYPICAL...unloading your accusations on WHAT YOU SAID “for me”... AS IF, what you say “FOR ME”.... is accountable to me...

Deception is FUN eh....?
You speak FOR another...
Then you BASH what you speak FOR another...
Then you IMPLY the other is ACCOUNTABLE for what YOU say “FOR THEM”.

Surely you must have learned “foolish trickery” is fools void of the Truth.
Your tactics do not fool me.

 

[rwb]

Adults FAMILIAR with Scripture routinely have Discussions ABOUT Scripture.
Adults UNINFORMED about what they HEAR, search the Scriptures and if they can not FIND IN Scripture to VERIFY what they SPECIFICALLY HEARD...they ASK the Speaker ABOUT that SPECIFIC thing.

THEN there are the men IN Adult Body’s WITH an a Juvenile bully mentality, using broad sweeping accusations, VOID of any Specific.

Your accusations of “garbage, trash, demanding I prove to you what I say IS Scriptural”.... is laughable on its face.

I read, I study, I am content with MY SPECIFIC Beliefs, MY SPECIFIC Understanding...

Do you REALLY think your Laziness, your accusations, your name calling, your bullying, your lack of ability to identify anything specific ...
SOME HOW, elevates you in a credible position? It doesn’t. It just simply makes you look like substance lacking accusatory bully.

Those adults that have limited understanding of Scripture routinely deny what they allege must be biblically proven to be of any worth. I've yet to hear opinions that are anything less than garbage when they cannot be biblically supported. I understand why you are upset when I ask for proof from Scripture. I too would be, if Scripture did not support my doctrine. It doesn't matter what one thinks they know. What matters when studying Scripture is what one can prove is truth. Unproven opinions are always by default the position of millennialist. All you have to bring to the discussion is your opinions, which are worthless as trash, and should be discarded just as one would discard garbage.

 

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Those adults that have limited understanding of Scripture routinely deny what they allege must be biblically proven to be of any worth. I've yet to hear opinions that are anything less than garbage when they cannot be biblically supported. I understand why you are upset when I ask for proof from Scripture. I too would be, if Scripture did not support my doctrine. It doesn't matter what one thinks they know. What matters when studying Scripture is what one can prove is truth. Unproven opinions are always by default the position of millennialist. All you have to bring to the discussion is your opinions, which are worthless as trash, and should be discarded just as one would discard garbage.

Those “adults” ? get real.
I speak what I believe....IF you heard something I said, and CAN NOT FIND verification IN Scripture......ASK me.

Are you really having difficultly understanding the POINT...?
What umpteen other people believe, are saying, IS IRRELEVANT to a conversation Between TWO INDIVIDUALS.

YOU pretending I am accountable for what YOU or umpteen other people say is utter nonsense.

YOU pretending I am required to attach Scriptural Quotes to EVERY thing I say is utter nonsense.

YOU pretending I am YOUR personal mind reader and should know what you SPECIFICALLY disagree with or WHY, is utter nonsense.

Are YOU Really incapable of picking A SPECIFIC POINT, looking for verification and then ASKING about that SPECIFIC POINT?

Are YOU Really so UNINFORMED, people “identifying” themselves with the SAME “particular” GROUPS........Does NOT MEAN “Everything they Believe is EXACTLY the SAME”?

Groups...ie...Atheists, Satanist, Muslims, Buddhists, Christians......
DO NOT ALL BELIEVE “EXACTLY” the SAME things.

HINT, HINT.........humans begin as BABES, spending Years hearing and learning new information.....
Are you sorely unaware, humans of ALL ages and ALL amounts of information belong to the SAME groups?
A five year old...has NOT YET achieved the amount of information a fifty year old has......
A fifty year old...who has JUST BEGUN hearing ABOUT God....has NOT YET achieved the amount of information a Fifty year old WHO has heard, read, studied Scripture for 40 years.

I don’t KNOW YOU. I don’t know IF or What you have heard, read, studied, or for HOW LONG.

I KNOW ME. I know WHAT, I have heard, read, studied, verified, and FOR HOW LONG.

You (along with @WPM ) wagging your tongue personally AT ME, AS IF, either of you are qualified to determine the basis for my Beliefs is garbage is utter nonsense.

 

[rwb]

Those “adults” ? get real.
I speak what I believe....IF you heard something I said, and CAN NOT FIND verification IN Scripture......ASK me.

It's not up to me to read your mind. If you have proof from Scripture present it and stop acting like a spoiled child. Either prove what you allege or keep silent!

 

[WPM]

Those “adults” ? get real.
I speak what I believe....IF you heard something I said, and CAN NOT FIND verification IN Scripture......ASK me.

Are you really having difficultly understanding the POINT...?
What umpteen other people believe, are saying, IS IRRELEVANT to a conversation Between TWO INDIVIDUALS.

YOU pretending I am accountable for what YOU or umpteen other people say is utter nonsense.

YOU pretending I am required to attach Scriptural Quotes to EVERY thing I say is utter nonsense.

YOU pretending I am YOUR personal mind reader and should know what you SPECIFICALLY disagree with or WHY, is utter nonsense.

Are YOU Really incapable of picking A SPECIFIC POINT, looking for verification and then ASKING about that SPECIFIC POINT?

Are YOU Really so UNINFORMED, people “identifying” themselves with the SAME “particular” GROUPS........Does NOT MEAN “Everything they Believe is EXACTLY the SAME”?

Groups...ie...Atheists, Satanist, Muslims, Buddhists, Christians......
DO NOT ALL BELIEVE “EXACTLY” the SAME things.

HINT, HINT.........humans begin as BABES, spending Years hearing and learning new information.....
Are you sorely unaware, humans of ALL ages and ALL amounts of information belong to the SAME groups?
A five year old...has NOT YET achieved the amount of information a fifty year old has......
A fifty year old...who has JUST BEGUN hearing ABOUT God....has NOT YET achieved the amount of information a Fifty year old WHO has heard, read, studied Scripture for 40 years.

I don’t KNOW YOU. I don’t know IF or What you have heard, read, studied, or for HOW LONG.

I KNOW ME. I know WHAT, I have heard, read, studied, verified, and FOR HOW LONG.

You (along with @WPM ) wagging your tongue personally AT ME, AS IF, either of you are qualified to determine the basis for my Beliefs is garbage is utter nonsense.

Instead of acting infantile, can you acknowledge your supposed future millennium is cursed by the bondage of corruption and overrun by the wicked at the end?

 

[Taken]

It's not up to me to read your mind. If you have proof from Scripture present it and stop acting like a spoiled child. Either prove what you allege or keep silent!

LOL...I have said many things...Prove what SPECIFICALLY...or are you ignorant of what SPECIFIC means?

 

[Taken]

Instead acting infantile, can you acknowledge your supposed future millennium is cursed by the bondage of corruption and overrun by the wicked at the end?

First of all the future millennium Kingdom is Christ Jesus’ ...
I simply trust to believe the Word of God ABOUT Christ Jesus’ future millennium Kingdom.

Secondly, I have not heard, read, seen ANY scripture whatsoever that remotely indicates Christ Jesus’ millennial Kingdom RULED by Christ Jesus...
Is Cursed, is an enslavement of men in bondage, is corrupt or is overrun by the wicked.

I was Expressly clear Christ Jesus’ KINGDOM is an AGE of 1,000 years of harmony among mortal men.

I was Expressly clear at the END of the AGE of 1,000 years, AN “EVENT” occurs.

Haven’t you heard, read, learned....
Satan and his minions (having been bound FOR 1,000 years) are RELEASED.

Haven’t you heard, read, learned...
Satan influences the nations to WAR AGAINST Christ Jesus’ Kingdom.

What...?? Do you suppose Satan, a powerful spirit is going to use long drawn out sneaky tactics LIKE corrupt men....secret, backroom, meetings, and conspiracies ??

Satan and his powerful minions each “whispering” in the ears of the nations kings... is all it takes for the nations to put a weapon in a mans hand and SEND them out to ATTACK Christ Jesus’ Kingdom.

AND...didn’t you hear, learn, read...ABOUT the Lord’s TWO-EDGED SWORD?
It IS the Word of God, WITH the Power of God...
HELLO....it is not “AN AGE of drawn out YEARS”...
It’s an EVENT that occurs at the END of the 1,000 years.
It’s a powerful Demon “deceiving” the Nations.
It’s Mortal kings sending out a military force of Mortals AGAINST Christ Jesus’ Kingdom.
THEY ARE NOT “DEFEATED” with bullets and man-weapons...
THEY ARE “DEFEATED” with the Word of God (that IS Jesus) and the Power of God (that IS Christ).

Should be of NO Surprise, mortals are easily enticed with lies and promises of favors.

READ YOUR statement again....NO I do not believe Christ Jesus millennial Kingdom “IS” plagued with corruption DURING the 1,000 years.

 

[Taken]

One of the main problems Premillennialism has is that it has a glorified Jesus bringing back all the redeemed of all the ages that have enjoyed perfect communion with Christ in His majestic heavenly presence since the time He defeated sin and death 2000 years ago, giving them new eternal incorruptible bodies at His second coming, along with the living in Christ, rewarding them with eternal bliss, and then bringing them back to a corruptible millennial earth filled with degenerates, death, decay and depravity, just like our present day. It is just another re-run of our current evil age.

Premillennialism has saints that have been delivered from a sinful world thousands of years ago being forced to come back to watch the folly of the rebuilding of a new temple, the debacle of futile animal sacrifices, the restoration of the old covenant priesthood, continued sin, death and decay. Finally, the saints will have to engage in literal physical spiritual warfare in their glorified bodies with Satan and his global mortal army – Gog and Magog. They will be confronted with the awful sight of Satan being released from his prison to mobilize a global assault upon Jesus and the glorified saints in earthly Jerusalem. This army will consist of all the millennial mortals that have feigned worship to the Lord Jesus Christ for a thousand years turning in their billions at the drop of a hat from following Jesus to following Satan as the sand of the sea.

This whole portrayal is ridiculous and nonsensical, and will never happen.

Your words of what you call “a whole portrayal”...
is first of all...YOUR Words....no one else’s own quoted words.
is sorely Lacking in pertinent Facts...
Is much of your imagination..—->

MEN Saints forced to observe the rebuilding of a new Temple...??
MEN...Saints engaging in global warfare...against Satan??...against mortal men??
Mortal men with a “thousand years” of Feigned Worship”...??

Your whole portrayal ridiculous? ya.

Scriptures’ whole portrayal? Not even close.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Ron Pre-Millennialism's Foundation for its claim of a "Thousand Year" Kingdom on this earth is based in Revelation 20:1-6 below

Ron you didn't answer my claims below, no Kingdom on this earth with Mortal Humans present is seen below and you know it, as you run from this factual truth "Why"?

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1. First and foremost, Satan has not yet neen bound. If you believe that, you are notnin touch with reality.
2. This particular vision thay John was given is not a heavenly vision. John sees people ON EARTH that were decapitated. There are no headless souls in heaven - H E L L O
3. The mark of the Beast is given to people ON EARTH.
4. The resurrection is not symbolic, yet you think everything else is.
5. 1000 years is as real and literal as everything else in these verses.

>>>Amillennialism suffers symbolic delusions <<<

Scriptures that go into more detail about this literal time period:

Isaiah 2
Isaiah 11
Isaiah 65

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus gave us specific details in Rev. 20, which is His promise, that you distort.
The reason why few will a put a check next to their name is because you fear that if we are correct, you would be forfeiting part of your inheritance.

Grow up, Ronald. We're not interested in playing your games. Asking us to forfeit something that we don't even believe in is complete nonsense. Is this all you have to offer is nonsense like this? Trying actually backing up your beliefs with scripture for once instead of messing around and playing ridiculous games instead.

 

[Taken]

What a complete and utter turn-around!!! What a bust! What a failure! From these religious charlatans feigning submission to Christ and the glorified saints for 1000 years to them instantly and wholesale embracing Satan and his wickedness in their billions as the sand of the sea at his simple appearance. Your whole portrayal is ridiculous! Thankfully, it is never going to happen.

You are IMPLYING ALL men during the entire 1,000 year reign....are false believers....which is False.

Obviously you DO NOT UNDERSTAND during the 1,000 year reign, mortal men are born...believe...die in Belief...thus are saved...same as mortal men NOW.

It is NOT one group of mortal men LIVING for 1,000 years and THEN all coming Against Christ Jesus’ Kingdom at the End of the 1,000 years.

The Beginning group of mortal men ARE Believers.

It is NOT a beginning group of men living in houses, shopping at grocery and department stores, driving vehicles, tinkering with computers, concocting poisons lab viruses and gases to unleash upon the population.

It is a beginning group of men gathering, planting, tending crops and livestock....building structures....feeding themselves....trading goods ...and REPRODUCING offspring.
They live, they care for their own, they believe, they die.

Over the course of 1,000 years, Many have been born and died.
Over the course of 1,000 years, the World Population, has grown to MILLIONS of people, ALIVE at the ENDING age of the 1,000 years.

It is the MILLIONS alive at the end of the 1,000 years, living in their own “kingdoms”, (called Nations, or otherwise Countries) under the authority of their “king”... WHEN Satan and his minions are loosed, and set out TO:
Do what he they did before......Deceive the Nations....Deceive the “king”....and remember “A king” decides IF and When and How....his “kingdom”/nation/country/men WILL engage in a War.

THOSE are WHO come against Christ Jesus’ Kingdom.

Then you flat out say, glorified saints will embrace Satan...no they do not.
“Glorified saints”, ARE mortal men who have Bodily Died IN Belief....and become soul saved, become spirit reborn of Gods Seed, become risen up in a “new glorified body”....
(It is a NATURAL body that sins against God....duh...they no longer HAVE a Natural born body!)

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are full of imaginations. The earth Amils anticipate is starkly different from the Premil version that is full of the bondage of corruption and ultimately overrun by the wicked in the end. The Amil age is glorious perfect and eternal.

Amen. Amils are looking forward to what Peter said we should be looking forward to in fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming and Premils are not. That is the bottom line.

2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised?.....9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.beginning of creation.”....13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your phrase "The Amil age is ..." is an oxymoron. You are against, in disbelief of a Millennial age, that you say won't exist, yet you say it is glorious, perfect an eternal. You are confused.
An age has a beginning and an ending. Eternity has no age.

Stop misrepresenting Amil. It makes you look like a fool. Amils do not claim that the thousand years don't (or won't) exist. We just have a different understanding of when it begins and when it ends then Premils do. It clearly has a beginning and an ending. It clearly indicates that Satan is bound at the beginning and is loosed at the end and Amils don't deny that. But, we don't see it as referring to a literal thousand years as you do and we don't see it as beginning when Christ returns as you do. But, we do believe it has a beginning and an ending.

 

[robert derrick]

It's common courtesy in forum discussion

When you discuss scripture in forums "Please" post the

1. Book
2. Chapter
3. Verse(s)
4. Version

I now only do so for the unlearned, or the passage is obscure.

Your demand for them in order to respond to simple points made about quoted Scripture, to me, is disingenuous.

Besides , I have learned from you that you don't respond to what I write, but to mistatments you make about what I write. And so, I'm not missing much anyway.

 

[Truth7t7]

1. First and foremost, Satan has not yet neen bound. If you believe that, you are notnin touch with reality.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

2. This particular vision thay John was given is not a heavenly vision. John sees people ON EARTH that were decapitated. There are no headless souls in heaven - H E L L O

Your claim is 100% "False"

John saw "Spiritual Souls" of believers that were martyred on earth, they were physically dead

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

3. The mark of the Beast is given to people ON EARTH.

Revelation 20:1-6 has absolutely nothing to do with the mark of the beast on earth, as you move in diversion and distraction

 

[Truth7t7]

4. The resurrection is not symbolic, yet you think everything else is.

The first resurrection seen is a future event that takes place at the second coming (The End)

 

[Truth7t7]

5. 1000 years is as real and literal as everything else in these verses.

The words (Thousand Years) is showing the events seen are in the Lord's eternal spiritual realm, where one day is a thousand years, God doesn't have a clock above his throne,, smiles!

 

[Truth7t7]

Scriptures that go into more detail about this literal time period:

Isaiah 2
Isaiah 11
Isaiah 65

Isaiah Chapters 2, 11, 65, that you reference represent the (Eternal Kingdom) in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, and not a fabricated man made Millennial Kingdom on this Earth, as you falsely believe and teach

A Completely New Creation, The Rejoice "Forever Kingdom" Is Seen Beliw, Where The Wolf And Lamb Dwell Together

Isaiah 65:17-19 & 25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 11:6-7KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.