22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[WPM]

The sin offerings in the Old Testament were symbolic of the sacrifice Jesus would make. The sin offerings in the future will be symbolic of the sacrifice Jesus made.

Can you give us one single proof text in the whole of Scripture that teaches that there will be "sin offerings in the future" that will "be symbolic of the sacrifice Jesus made"? I am talking about "one." This looks to me like another Premil invention that enjoys no biblical support.

 

[The Light]

Which translation is that?

I think it might possibly come from the NRSVA or NRSBMV

In case you don't want to look it up, that would be New Revised Standard Version Anglican and the New Revised Standard Blind Man Version

 

[Timtofly]

Another lie from you. I rarely use it other than when I'm talking about Amils being false accused of believing in replacement theology.

You don't have a clue about what is taught in scripture. You need someone to teach you. Your efforts to figure it out on your own have been a complete failure.

Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises. 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.....13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Scripture teaches that the new covenant replaced the old one. You apparently have never read Hebrews 8.

So you do accept replacement. Why do you deny it and make it sound bad?

 

[RLT63]

Can you give us one single proof text in the whole of Scripture that teaches that there will be "sin offerings in the future" that will "be symbolic of the sacrifice Jesus made"? I am talking about "one." This looks to me like another Premil invention that enjoys no biblical support.

Look, either you believe chapters 40 through 48 are about the future or you don't. It's that simple. Either Ezekiel 43:18-27 is about the future or you believe post #5762

 

[WPM]

Look, either you believe chapters 40 through 48 are about the future or you don't. It's that simple.

That is simply not true. That is only a small part of it. The main issue is, there's nowhere between Ezekiel 40 and 48 that teaches the sacrifices described relates to a future millennium. That is your own invention. You either believe the second coming is the end, as the New Testament repeatedly teaches, or you don't. Your choice! You invent an age in between this age and the age to come, Jesus, or none of the New Testament writers taught or recognized.

The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalm 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

John 6:39-44, 54, John 11:21-27, John 12:48, Ephesians 1:10 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that time reaches its fullness at the climactic return of Christ. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Luke 20:34-36, Acts 3:19-21, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 ,1 Peter 1:3-5 and Revelation 21:1-5) all show that the end of the bondage of corruption occurs when Jesus comes. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 show that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming. Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming. This is indeed the end of time, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection. It is the beginning of incorruption. It is the beginning of a new arrangement.

What is more, you either accept the cross as the final sacrifice for sin, or you do not. Your choice! The New Testament totally forbids your scenario.

 

[RLT63]

That is not true. That is only a small part of it. See, there's nowhere between Ezekiel 40 and 48 the teaches it relates to a future millennium. That is your own invention. You either believe the second coming is the end, as the New Testament repeatedly teaches, or you don't. Your choice! You invent an age in between this age and the age to come, Jesus, or none of the New Testament writers taught or recognized.

The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalm 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

John 6:39-44, 54, John 11:21-27, John 12:48, Ephesians 1:10 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that time reaches its fullness at the climactic return of Christ. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Luke 20:34-36, Acts 3:19-21, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 ,1 Peter 1:3-5 and Revelation 21:1-5) all show that the end of the bondage of corruption occurs when Jesus comes. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 show that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming. Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming. This is indeed the end of time, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection. It is the beginning of incorruption. It is the beginning of a new arrangement.

What is more, you either except the cross as the final sacrifice for sin, or you do not. Your choice! The New Testament totally forbids your scenario.

"What is more, you either except the cross as the final sacrifice for sin, or you do not. Your choice! New Testament totally forbids your scenario."

I think you mean accept. Feel free to continue to argue with yourself. Read Revelation 20 for context.

 

[The Light]

Can you give us one single proof text in the whole of Scripture that teaches that there will be "sin offerings in the future" that will "be symbolic of the sacrifice Jesus made"? I am talking about "one." This looks to me like another Premil invention that enjoys no biblical support.

And I'm still waiting on you. Can you give me one single car part that I can use to build a Maserati that gets 70 miles a gallon.

 

[RLT63]

I think it might possibly come from the NRSVA or NRSBMV

In case you don't want to look it up, that would be New Revised Standard Version Anglican and the New Revised Standard Blind Man Version

LOL

 

[CadyandZoe]

Not even the slightest chance. When those seals are opened you would know what tribulation is. Hopefully you will make the rapture that occurs before those seals are opened.

The seals are already open in my view. We are waiting for the trumpets.

 

[The Light]

The seals are already open in my view. We are waiting for the trumpets.

Ok. What leads you to this conclusion?

 

[WPM]

"What is more, you either except the cross as the final sacrifice for sin, or you do not. Your choice! New Testament totally forbids your scenario."

I think you mean accept. Feel free to continue to argue with yourself. Read Revelation 20 for context.

It is clear that you have nothing to support your theology apart from what you've been taught. Where does Revelation 20 teach this nonsense about the introduction of blood sacrifices for sin in the future?

P.S. Thanks for pointing out the typo.

 

[WPM]

And I'm still waiting on you. Can you give me one single car part that I can use to build a Maserati that gets 70 miles a gallon.

This is Premillennialism in a nutshell. It has absolutely nothing of biblical weight to support it.

 

[RLT63]

It is clear that you have nothing to support your theology apart from what you've been taught. Where does Revelation 20 teach this nonsense about the introduction of blood sacrifices for sin in the future?

P.S. Thanks for pointing out the typo.

Thanks for not making this personal or being insulting. SMH

 

[The Light]

This is Premillennialism in a nutshell. It has absolutely nothing of biblical weight to support it.

Amillennialism in a nutshell. Cling to a single misunderstood verse despite the multitude of verses that say differently.

 

[RLT63]

Thanks for not making this personal or being insulting. SMH

The Millennial Temple – Israel My Glory

 

[RLT63]

Amillennialism in a nutshell. Cling to a single misunderstood verse despite the multitude of verses that say differently.

I don't care if someone is Ammillennial but the attempt to force it down my throat and shut out any other view when I've told this person I'm not going to argue with him and he just won't stop. What is this, the inquisition?

 

[CadyandZoe]

You stated the church was in heaven, while the mortal 144,000 were on earth please explain?

First, those who become Christians before the Second Coming will be raised and given immorality. The 144K, while sanctified by God, will not have accepted Jesus as savior until after he returns. These remain mortal until the end.

 

[WPM]

Amillennialism in a nutshell. Cling to a single misunderstood verse despite the multitude of verses that say differently.

You are actually describing Premillennialism. It is you that has zero corroboration for your opinion of that much-debated single chapter in the most obscure setting in Scripture. You have nothing else in the Word of God. If you had, you would give it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Try to tell that to Paul who taught otherwise.

Acts 26:23 that the Messiah would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would bring the message of light to his own people and to the Gentiles.”

If we are talking about resurrection, I think Lazarus was resurrected before Jesus. If we are talking about eternal life, Jesus was the first to receive eternal life. I agree.

 

[WPM]

If we are talking about resurrection, I think Lazarus was resurrected before Jesus. If we are talking about eternal life, Jesus was the first to receive eternal life. I agree.

What do you mean "Jesus was the first to receive eternal life." Are you saying that he needed to be saved like you and me?