22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[The Light]

Premils are nice people, aren't they? Everyone is blind that does not agree with them. Thanks for the chat.

You are quite welcome. Don't you mean, everyone is blind that doesn't agree with the Word?

 

[Truth7t7]

Instead of always advocating what you imagine, address Scripture. Address what I presented. Your avoidance is getting old.

Your no fun, trying to destroy a person's dream and fairy tale land in imagination

Like trying to remove willy Wonka and the chocolate factory, taking Charlie's elevator ride away going into the heavens

Your Mean!

 

[Keraz]

Jerusalem is restored right after He returns. It is then that there will be long life spans. At the start of His reign. After the thousand years, Jerusalem folks will still be rejoicing of course! Then, after the millennium there will be no death. So the part about someone dying real old is about that first part, the 1000 years not after when there is no death. It is a fact that prophesy sometimes changes periods mid passage or even mid verse! If you cannot comprehend that there really is no death in the new earth, that may be the problem.

This I fully agree with.
Isaiah 65:17 clearly refers to the new earth, which does not come until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
Then: Isaiah 65:18-24 describes the Millennium period.
That Prophecy is mixed up is just as Isaiah 28:13, says it is.

People will not die when the new heavens and earth come, in the Eternal state. But people will still die during the Millennium, although it seems we will live for much longer. It isn't hard to figure it out correctly.

 

[Truth7t7]

This I fully agree with.
Isaiah 65:17 clearly refers to the new earth, which does not come until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
Then: Isaiah 65:18-24 describes the Millennium period.
That Prophecy is mixed up is just as Isaiah 28:13, says it is.

People will not die when the new heavens and earth come, in the Eternal state. But people will still die during the Millennium, although it seems we will live for much longer. It isn't hard to figure it out correctly.

Malarkey!

Isaiah 65:17 describes the place as the New Heavens And Earth, and the following verses explain it

A child dying at 100 years is figurative speech and not literal as many claim

 

[dad]

This I fully agree with.
Isaiah 65:17 clearly refers to the new earth, which does not come until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
Then: Isaiah 65:18-24 describes the Millennium period.
That Prophecy is mixed up is just as Isaiah 28:13, says it is.

People will not die when the new heavens and earth come, in the Eternal state. But people will still die during the Millennium, although it seems we will live for much longer. It isn't hard to figure it out correctly.

Glad we agree on some things.

 

[WPM]

Your no fun, trying to destroy a person's dream and fairy tale land in imagination

Like trying to remove willy Wonka and the chocolate factory, taking Charlie's elevator ride away going into the heavens

Your Mean!

LOL

 

[Keraz]

Malarkey!

Isaiah 65:17 describes the place as the New Heavens And Earth, and the following verses explain it

A child dying at 100 years is figurative speech and not literal as many claim

You are wrong.
Isaiah 65:20 is a plain easily understood statement. During the Millennium people will live for much longer, as they did in the time of the Patriarchs.
I think there will be much more Oxygen in the atmosphere again.

Carefully reading Isaiah 65:18-25 makes it plain that it does not refer to Eternity.

 

[WPM]

You are wrong.
Isaiah 65:20 is a plain easily understood statement. During the Millennium people will live for much longer, as they did in the time of the Patriarchs.
I think there will be much more Oxygen in the atmosphere again.

Carefully reading Isaiah 65:18-25 makes it plain that it does not refer to Eternity.

There is no mention of a millennium in this passage, but all Premils live in denial because they have nothing else to support their error. They claim new heaven and new earth and last days passages relate to their imaginary future millennium, all the time they have zero corroboration for their private interpretation of Revelation 20. This much-debated passage ends up being a dumping ground for all types of unrelated passages.

 

[Keraz]

There is no mention of a millennium in this passage, but all Premils live in denial because they have nothing else to support their error. They claim new heaven and new earth and last days passages relate to their imaginary future millennium, all the time they have zero corroboration for their private interpretation of Revelation 20. This much-debated passage ends up being a dumping ground for all types of unrelated passages.

There is no need to debate Isaiah 65:18-25.
It clearly describes a time which can't be now or in Eternity. Other Prophesies describe it too: Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:16-21, +
It will be the thousand year time when Jesus will reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Look forward to it, denial as the AMill believers do, is flat out rejection of scripture.

 

[Timtofly]

This I fully agree with.
Isaiah 65:17 clearly refers to the new earth, which does not come until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7
Then: Isaiah 65:18-24 describes the Millennium period.
That Prophecy is mixed up is just as Isaiah 28:13, says it is.

People will not die when the new heavens and earth come, in the Eternal state. But people will still die during the Millennium, although it seems we will live for much longer. It isn't hard to figure it out correctly.

Only those who disobey. Destroyed by the iron rod rule. Disobedience is the chief enemy resulting in Death the final enemy. Death is only granted to a disobedient child and happens before one reaches 100. At 100 one is not considered to have aged out of childhood, but I am sure Amil have some twisted theory that sin and being cursed is appropriate in the NHNE. As to them it just means living forever contrasted with those who don't live forever.

One will only disobey once, then destroyed. That is the point of destroying one's enemy immediately with the iron rod. Amil have Jesus ruling the NHNE with an iron rod. Certainly the iron rod is not in use in the here and now. People live constantly in disobedience.

Sin will not exist in the Millennium.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are wrong.
Isaiah 65:20 is a plain easily understood statement. During the Millennium people will live for much longer, as they did in the time of the Patriarchs.
I think there will be much more Oxygen in the atmosphere again.

Carefully reading Isaiah 65:18-25 makes it plain that it does not refer to Eternity.

You are wrong, Isaiah 65:17 clearly describes verses 18-25 are the New Heaven and Earth, just as the scripture clearly explains below

"Behold I Create New Heavens And Earth"

Isaiah 65:17KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

 

[Truth7t7]

Sin will not exist in the Millennium.

I agree, because a Millennial Kingdom on this earth doesn't exist in scripture

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no need to debate Isaiah 65:18-25.
It clearly describes a time which can't be now or in Eternity. Other Prophesies describe it too: Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:16-21, +
It will be the thousand year time when Jesus will reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Look forward to it, denial as the AMill believers do, is flat out rejection of scripture.

A 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth doesn't exist in scripture, it's a man made fabricated fairy tale, found in the sci-fi section in the book store

 

[Randy Kluth]

Instead of always advocating what you imagine, address Scripture. Address what I presented. Your avoidance is getting old.

Don't tell me what to do with a moral air about you. There's nothing moral in making demands like this.

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no mention of a millennium in this passage, but all Premils live in denial because they have nothing else to support their error. They claim new heaven and new earth and last days passages relate to their imaginary future millennium, all the time they have zero corroboration for their private interpretation of Revelation 20. This much-debated passage ends up being a dumping ground for all types of unrelated passages.

I Agree, they use the words (Thousand Years) in Revelation 20:4-6 and run off to the old testament and try to build a kingdom on this earth that's non-existant, as if we are blind to their folly

 

[Truth7t7]

Of course there is, complete with saints and rebels etc. The dark death dreams in your head are simply fantasy. Earth is very fine in the Millennium, thank you very much. Right up till God creates the new earth.

No such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, it's a fairy tale of man

 

[dad]

No such thing as a Millennial Kingdom on this earth found in scripture, it's a fairy tale of man

Polly want a cracker? Saying it doesn't make it so.

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

As much as you stop your ears and close your eyes it ain't going nowhere. That is the future for believers. Ruling nations. Not on Pluto, but right on good old earth. This is where Jesus is coming back to as the angels said. All your attempts to wave away Scripture are futile.

 

[Timtofly]

I agree, because a Millennial Kingdom on this earth doesn't exist in scripture

You can sulk in the corner for the whole 1,000 years, denying it is happening.

 

[dad]

Malarkey!

Isaiah 65:17 describes the place as the New Heavens And Earth, and the following verses explain it

A child dying at 100 years is figurative speech and not literal as many claim

In others words, you don't believe it. No news there. That is the crux of the issue.

 

[WPM]

There is no need to debate Isaiah 65:18-25.
It clearly describes a time which can't be now or in Eternity. Other Prophesies describe it too: Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14:16-21, +
It will be the thousand year time when Jesus will reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
Look forward to it, denial as the AMill believers do, is flat out rejection of scripture.

No. You force NHNE and last days passages into Rev 20 because you have no millennial passages. Isaiah 65 describes the perfect eternal state. This exposes the Premil hermeneutics for what they are - ad-hoc, questionable and bias.