The Deity of Jesus under attack on this forum.

[Pearl]

i read a passage in Revelation today - chapter 3:14-22

14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

21 To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”

This is Jesus/God/the Spirit speaking. in my bible it's in red letters as the words of Jesus - the Amen, the ruler of God's creation.

Proverbs 3:11-13
11 My son, do not despise the LORD’s discipline,
and do not resent his rebuke,
12 because the LORD disciplines those he loves,
as a father the son he delights in.

When LORD is written in capitals it means Almighty God. And Jesus is saying the same thing in the above passage.

 

[GEN2REV]

Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”

22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

How much of Jesus teaching have you obeyed that you might receive the Holy Spirit?

Jesus' Commands are God's Commands, Jim Beam.

Get it through your head, Jim Beam.

 

[stephen64]

Jesus' Commands are God's Commands, Jim Beam.

Get it through your head, Jim Beam.

Another question you can't answer. Obviously more studying time needed

 

[Pearl]

Another question you can't answer. Obviously more studying time needed

Jesus is God - it's you who needs more study. Don't let your ears be tickled by false teaching put pursue the truth.

 

[GEN2REV]

Congratulations! You have been promoted to the third grade! "Na na, boo boo!" Really???

Uhh ... it was YOUR bosom buddy that got promoted.

What does that say about you?

Bad company corrupts good character.
1 Corinthians 15:33

BUT, when your character is already sorely lacking, ... you're right.

You're probably not in any danger.

 

[stephen64]

Jesus is God - it's you who needs more study. Don't let your ears be tickled by false teaching put pursue the truth.

What title must a person believe Christ to have to inherit eternal life. Are you confident enough to answer?

 

[GEN2REV]

1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
J.

THAT'S your Big Reveal, Stephanie?

That verse does NOT say that we must speak a specific TITLE of Jesus in order to be saved.

What on God's green earth have you been smoking?

I knew there was some reason you were ashamed to post the evidence of your assinine claim.

You literally had none.

 

[Pearl]

What title must a person believe Christ to have to inherit eternal life. Are you confident enough to answer?

Read Revelation where it's Jesus talking to the churches, where he say he will discipllne those he loves as Almighty God says the same in Proverbs 3. Also he calls himself the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and the end Just as God does in the OT. Get wisdom, get wise by reading the scriptures off your own bat instead of just doing as you are told by your 'elders'.

 

[stephen64]

Jesus is God - it's you who needs more study. Don't let your ears be tickled by false teaching put pursue the truth.

I will tell you the truth, this is nearly always an internet thing. In over 40 years of going to various trinitarian churches I never once heard any minister state from the pulpit Christ is the one true God, let alone you must believe it to inherit eternal; life. It is head theologists that come out with all of this on the internet, they consider themselves gifted in much knowledge through much study, however studying with reliance on the academic mind does not lead into spiritual truth, you must look elsewhere for that

 

[Johann]

THAT'S your Big Reveal, Stephanie?

That verse does NOT say that we must speak a specific TITLE of Jesus in order to be saved.

What on God's green earth have you been smoking?

I knew there was some reason you were ashamed to post the evidence of your assinine claim.

You literally had none.

You have lost all credibility on this forum and running hither and thither is not gonna help either.
J.

 

[stephen64]

Read Revelation where it's Jesus talking to the churches, where he say he will discipllne those he loves as Almighty God says the same in Proverbs 3. Also he calls himself the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and the end Just as God does in the OT. Get wisdom, get wise by reading the scriptures off your own bat instead of just doing as you are told by your 'elders'.

So you have no confidence to answer either
I will explain something very basic to you. Christ stated if we believe He is the Son of God we are saved with that belief. Anyone who refuses to accept that, but adds to it, claiming you must believe Christ is God himself to be saved cannot be being led of the Holy Spirit to believe that. Because, in trinitarian terms, that would mean God contradicts God and the belief collapses

 

[Pearl]

I will tell you the truth, this is nearly always an internet thing. In over 40 years of going to various trinitarian churches I never once heard any minister state from the pulpit Christ is the one true God, let alone you must believe it to inherit eternal; life. It is head theologists that come out with all of this on the internet, they consider themselves gifted in much knowledge through much study, however studying with reliance on the academic mind does not lead into spiritual truth, you must look elsewhere for that

Right from being born again almost 46 years ago I have never heard anything other that Jesus is God in the flesh. Seems you have been going to the wrong church.

As for not being saved I think God is bigger than that and sees our hearts and knows if our love for Jesus in genuine or not.

 

[stephen64]

Right from being born again almost 46 years ago I have never heard anything other that Jesus is God in the flesh. Seems you have been going to the wrong church.

As for not being saved I think God is bigger than that and sees our hearts and knows if our love for Jesus in genuine or not.

Please tell me, honestly. Have you ever heard it preached from the pulpit, that if you believe Jesus is the Son of God but not the one true God you are condemned

 

[GEN2REV]

over 40 years of going to various trinitarian churches

There's your problem.

As far as evidence for the trinity fairy tale in Scripture...

you must look elsewhere for that

Yes .... yes you must.

'Cause it sure aint found in Scripture.

 

[stephen64]

Right from being born again almost 46 years ago I have never heard anything other that Jesus is God in the flesh. Seems you have been going to the wrong church.

As for not being saved I think God is bigger than that and sees our hearts and knows if our love for Jesus in genuine or not.

What man states is not what matters most, it is what the bible states that matters

 

[Pearl]

What title must a person believe Christ to have to inherit eternal life. Are you confident enough to answer?

To inherit eternal life we have to come to God through Jesus in repentance and be open to the changes the Holy Spirit will make within us. Saying it is not enough it has to be a genuine love and genuine repentance.

 

[Pearl]

So you have no confidence to answer either
I will explain something very basic to you. Christ stated if we believe He is the Son of God we are saved with that belief. Anyone who refuses to accept that, but adds to it, claiming you must believe Christ is God himself to be saved cannot be being led of the Holy Spirit to believe that. Because, in trinitarian terms, that would mean God contradicts God and the belief collapses

You don't count that as an answer? Love God, Love Jesus and Love the Holy Spirit.

 

[stephen64]

You don't count that as an answer? Love God, Love Jesus and Love the Holy Spirit.

No, you certainly have not answered the question. I have the plain scripture, you have your theological mind that loves to study the word. Its no contest really

 

[GEN2REV]

You have lost all credibility on this forum and running hither and thither is not gonna help either.
J.

Says who?

You?

And your abundance of credibility?

 

[Pearl]

Please tell me, honestly. Have you ever heard it preached from the pulpit, that if you believe Jesus is the Son of God but not the one true God you are condemned

No I can't say I have. Why would a church which believe Jesus is God preach anything other than that? I believe a lot of people are taught false doctrines and untruths, but I also believe that if a person sincerely loves Jesus then God knows what is in their hearts. And that is what matters.