The Deity of Jesus under attack on this forum.

[Johann]

I think your english is excellent considering it is a second language. Thank you for your encouraging post

I would rather encourage and be encouraged than sow discord.


Ecc_9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

1Co_9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Heb_12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,...

We are all in this race, this is no 100 meter sprint, but a marathon..

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

....
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

..and so should we..

 

[stephen64]

I would rather encourage and be encouraged than sow discord.


Ecc_9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

1Co_9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Heb_12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,...

We are all in this race, this is no 100 meter sprint, but a marathon..

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

....
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Tit 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

..and so should we..

I think on sites such as these, it is one of the hardest places not to have discord. For they exist for debate by those of differing views. If everyone agreed there would be no debates. But your heart is obviously in the right place. If you can avoid discord on these kind of sites, I imagine you could avoid it almost anywhere

 

[Johann]

I think on sites such as these, it is one of the hardest places not to have discord. For they exist for debate by those of differing views. If everyone agreed there would be no debates. But your heart is obviously in the right place. If you can avoid discord on these kind of sites, I imagine you could avoid it almost anywhere

Problem here is that this forum caters for all denominations, and inter-denominations with a slogan "love all, offend none" which is diametrically opposed to what Scripture says.
J.

 

[GEN2REV]

Ha. You're funny when you're defeated.

I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.” John8:24

Where's your problem?

Come, let us reason together.

Or, I guess, let me reason and you take notes.

You claimed that Jesus is not God.

As Jesus said:
There is only one TRUE God, the Father
Jesus is His Son

You are wrong. Can you process that? You ... are ... wrong.

If A: The Holy Spirit is God

and B: The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ

then C: Jesus Christ IS God.

"... ye are ... in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. ... if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. And if Christ be in you, ... the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
Romans 8:9-10

Now, can you see that? Or is it just not clearly visible to you?

I have to accept that some cannot see.
2 Corinthians 4:4

 

[stephen64]

Ha. You're funny when you're defeated.
Come, let us reason together.

Or, I guess, let me reason and you take notes.

You claimed that Jesus is not God.
You are wrong. Can you process that? You ... are ... wrong.

If A: The Holy Spirit is God

and B: The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ

then C: Jesus Christ IS God.

"... ye are ... in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. ... if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. And if Christ be in you, ... the Spirit is life because of righteousness."
Romans 8:9-10

Now, can you see that? Or is it just not clearly visible to you?

I have to accept that some cannot see.
2 Corinthians 4:4

Yes, I know your reasoning I am wrong to believe Jesus words, the Father is the only true God. Maybe your'e not SDA. Every sda member I know hinges everything on strictly adhering to the partial letter. Apparantly not you. So, you keep looking to scripture to counter other scripture, namely Jesus words.
Yes, the Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ. Well done! Many do not term it that way.
But then you spoil it, you use your human rationale to contradict the plain words of Christ

 

[GodsGrace]

In all truth, I would not mind who agreed or disagreed with me, I am on far safer ground, than someone who refuses to accept the words of Christ, Paul and John in regard to the title you must give Christ to be saved. The Holy Spirit could never lead you to contradict the words of Christ. In Trinitarianism that would be God contradicting God, and the whole thing collapses.
Only your natural academic mind could lead you to refuse to accept the words of Christ in this regard

What about the first commandment?

 

[stephen64]

What about the first commandment?

The Holy Spirit could never lead you to contradict the words of Christ. In Trinitarianism that would be God contradicting God, and the whole thing collapses.

I don't think you and I have anything further to discuss

 

[GodsGrace]

To be brutally honest GG you are still very much in love with the religious aspects of who is God and who is the Son, rather that actually knowing them in spirit and according to scripture.

Saying that YHWH does not have a Son and that the 'logos' is actually a person proves this point. It's a religious view you have and not a Biblical view. And there is a wide gulf between the two and they shall never ever meet.

Thankfully, You are not my judge.

I'll only say this,,,
The entire bible speaks of God, a Son and a Spirit.
There are either 3 Gods or we need to explain these 3 persons.

 

[stephen64]

Thankfully, You are not my judge.

I'll only say this,,,
The entire bible speaks of God, a Son and a Spirit.
There are either 3 Gods or we need to explain these 3 persons.

You should take note of his post, it would help you if you did

 

[GodsGrace]

The Holy Spirit could never lead you to contradict the words of Christ. In Trinitarianism that would be God contradicting God, and the whole thing collapses.

I don't think you and I have anything further to discuss

I am the Lord your God, you shall have no other gods before Me.

If Jesus is not God,
He is another god.

End.

 

[GodsGrace]

You should take note of his post, it would help you if you did

I should take note of a post?
Whose post?
It supercedes the written Word?

 

[GodsGrace]

She is a peaceful lady and I must admit, there's no peace on this thread.
J.

I think both you and I are very respectful and peaceful toward others, at least I know you are.

But I know what you're saying about Wynona...I come and go exactly for this same reason.
Too many personal posts instead of sticking to scripture.

 

[GEN2REV]

Yes, I know your reasoning I am wrong to believe Jesus words, the Father is the only true God.

Post the chapter and verse you're referring to and we can discuss it in context.

Maybe your'e not SDA. Every sda member I know hinges everything on strictly adhering to the partial letter. Apparantly not you.

Contrary to popular modern teaching, Denominational Profiling is a complete waste of time. All that is necessary when discussing/debating Scripture is whether or not the person is in alignment with God's Word or not.

I am not SDA and have never once claimed to be.

Also, not all SDA's are exactly the same. Neither are any denomination. The earliest SDA's did not embrace the trinity. Today's modern SDA does. You can't know anything about me, or anybody else for that matter, but placing me in a denominational category in your mind. Though popular, and lauded as the educated way to do things, that is amateur hour.

Yes, the Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ. Well done! Many do not term it that way.

What I said is that Jesus is God. You need to clearly see, and accept, that.

But then you spoil it, you use your human rationale to contradict the plain words of Christ

Post the verse you would like to address and let's take a look at how it is contradicted by Scripture.

 

[stephen64]

Post the chapter and verse you're referring to and we can discuss it in context.Contrary to popular modern teaching, Denominational Profiling is a complete waste of time. All that is necessary when discussing/debating Scripture is whether or not the person is in alignment with God's Word or not.

I am not SDA and have never once claimed to be.

Also, not all SDA's are exactly the same. Neither are any denomination. The earliest SDA's did not embrace the trinity. Today's modern SDA does. You can't know anything about me, or anybody else for that matter, but placing me in a denominational category in your mind. Though popular, and lauded as the educated way to do things, that is amateur hour. What I said is that Jesus is God. You need to clearly see, and accept, that.
Post the verse you would like to address and let's take a look at how it is contradicted by Scripture.

What is the title that must be given to Christ in order to inherit eternal life?

 

[GEN2REV]

The entire bible speaks of God, a Son and a Spirit. There are either 3 Gods or we need to explain these 3 persons.

That's quite a stretch.

Is Matthew 28:19 the entire Bible?

 

[GodsGrace]

What is the title that must be given to Christ in order to inherit eternal life?

None.
Except He is your Savior.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's quite a stretch.

Is Matthew 28:19 the entire Bible?

I did say the entire bible.
But Matthew 28 is good.

What is the stretch?

 

[Waiting on him]

GOD THE SON JESUS SUBMITTED and received his anointing for his ministry.

 

[GEN2REV]

What is the title that must be given to Christ in order to inherit eternal life?

Chapter and verse?

And Jesus is God.

 

[stephen64]

Chapter and verse?

And Jesus is God.

As you seem reluctant to state what title Christ must be given to inherit eternal life we will leave it there. Possibly you don't know the answer